Mumbai Attacks

[Goodperson]

They have been sweeped under the rug nonetheless. Is the killing of 3 people investigating right wing hindu terrorists within the first 15 minutes of the attack a mere coincidence? That's a better question to ask.

If indeed it was right wing hindus who were behind this, then it would be a bloody suicide for them because it would be obvious as hell who was behind it.

Do not bluff how is it possible to conspire to kill him without knowing movements of terrorist?

Kindly prosecute Saeed to know the facts.

 

[Spring Onion]

Do not bluff how is it possible to conspire to kill him without knowing movements of terrorist?

Kindly prosecute Saeed to know the facts.

You dont want to see your cover up or faults here.

karkare's wife is not on our parol

 

[vnomad]

"But when politicians started raising questions saying that he acted in very hasty manner and went for the operation blindly then we started gathering facts about the incident. Then, we came to know that Kamte, Karkare, Salaskar were planning strategy in Cama hospital for 40 minutes. They had asked for help, but they couldn't get help in those 40 minutes. Why they could not get help in 40 minutes, nobody is giving me that answer," she added.

There were 150 dead people in the city, that's why. The police did not even know the ATS team was dead, let alone where the ambush had happened.

Kavita revealed that she was told by some police officials that it would not be possible for her to get to know what exactly happened with her husband during the terror attacks.

What the heck would she like to know. The police van in which he was travelling was ambushed and he was killed in the encounter. What's left to exactly know? Did he die on the spot or did he succumb to injuries gradually? Well since everyone who was around him is dead, you can't blame the police officials for saying that she'll never know. The testimony of the lone policeman to survive the incident is on record and has been released to the media.

She also alleged that Hemant Karkare was left injured and unattended for over 40 minutes and not taken to the hospital on time.

The terrorists who hijacked the van were not rushing to the hospital and there was no one else around to help. Its a terrible thing for Mrs. Karkare to go through, but she will eventually have to reconcile with the fact that her husband died at the hands of terrorists and making obscure inquiries will not give her closure.

"My question is that when these people were there in Cama Lane for 40 minutes, why were they not given any help? And, when there bodies were lying, why the bodies of those people were not picked for about 40 minutes," Kavita questioned.

Because we're a third world country and the police force and public administration was in disarray.

 

[vnomad]

We are not trying to raise any suspicion. Rather Indians should ask questions about death of Karkare. There is alot to which is still missing.

Like what?

The Mumbai attacks are separate then killing of Karkare.

So, you think its a coincidence that both happened at the same time.

And oh it is not some small case where police or Indian set up lost the bullet proof jacket.

The chaos caused by over 150 deaths in the space of a few hours isn't something the city's administration was expected to cope with.

It simply shows that Karkare was killed according to the plan.

Do elaborate on that plan please.

 

[vnomad]

If you were probing Mumbai attacks then missing of a vital gear worn by Karkare proves that You indians are playing foul here.

It proves two things


1. Either the bullet proof jacket was not a bullet proof jacket and Karkare was intentionaly provided something which was part of his killing.

Provided by whom? You seem to have a very hazy idea of how the Indian police establishment works.

2. If was indeed a real bullet-proof jacket then why you need to hide it ?

No one's hiding it.

3. If it is missing then it shows the level of authenticity of Indian investigation.

That's assuming it was ever documented as evidence by the investigating authorities. How do you know it wasn't lost at the hospital where his body was taken?

All these things point towards a coverup which your Indian government is playing

All these conspiracy theories went up in smoke, when your colleagues in the Pakistani media, proved that Ajmal Kasab was a Pakistani citizen.

 

[kumar_V1.0]

They have been sweeped under the rug nonetheless. Is the killing of 3 people investigating right wing hindu terrorists within the first 15 minutes of the attack a mere coincidence? That's a better question to ask.

If indeed it was right wing hindus who were behind this, then it would be a bloody suicide for them because it would be obvious as hell who was behind it.

do u have an Idea how Indian polity is organized. the time this event happened Central as well state govt had congress govt's supported by extreme left. With elections around in both center as well as state what advantage congress would have got. Why They will sweep this and not use this opportunity to frame them and finish there chances of any hopes for elections.

Admin Edit: Cut out the personal attacks.

 

[Goodperson]

You dont want to see your cover up or faults here.

karkare's wife is not on our parol

Look inwards she is only emotional which is far from reality.

Look inwards how BB was killed with full security provided?

 

[SMC]

Done with ur quota of BS today.

do u have an Idea how Indian polity is organized. the time this event happened Central as well state govt had congress govt's supported by extreme left. With elections around in both center as well as state what advantage congress would have got. Why They will sweep this and not use this opportunity to frame them and finish there chances of any hopes for elections.

sorry but world doesn't work on your fantasies.

You didn't answer my question or concern but just went off tanget. Let me ask this again. Is it a mere coincidence that he was killing really early in the attacks?

Goodperson, don't understand what you're trying to say here. Use more clear english.

 

[MastanKhan]

Done with ur quota of BS today.

do u have an Idea how Indian polity is organized. the time this event happened Central as well state govt had congress govt's supported by extreme left. With elections around in both center as well as state what advantage congress would have got. Why They will sweep this and not use this opportunity to frame them and finish there chances of any hopes for elections.

sorry but world doesn't work on your fantasies.

Hello sir,

Barely 3 months on this board and you are telling a senior member "---done with your Bs "---

No---we are done with your BS---consider this the first warning---.

 

[MastanKhan]

Look inwards she is only emotional which is far from reality.

Look inwards how BB was killed with full security provided?

Hi,

Even though both were executed---there were similiarities, in a different way, to either of those situations---both were seemingly set up, Karkare became the victim of circumstances that he was shoved into---BB became a victim of her own indulgence----seemingly Karkare was conveniently executed under the guise of a terrorist attack---.

 

[StingRoy]

If you were probing Mumbai attacks then missing of a vital gear worn by Karkare proves that You indians are playing foul here.

It proves two things

1. Either the bullet proof jacket was not a bullet proof jacket and Karkare was intentionaly provided something which was part of his killing.

Bullet proof jacket does not mean that you are immune to a bullet. There are various grades of bullet proof jackets and different grades of ammunition which can penetrate them. Without knowing the facts how can you accuse that the bullet proof jacket was not bullet proof. I would be really astonished if it was the case.

 

[vnomad]

They have been sweeped under the rug nonetheless. Is the killing of 3 people investigating right wing hindu terrorists within the first 15 minutes of the attack a mere coincidence? That's a better question to ask.

Only one of the three was investigating the right wing Hindu terrorists. And as the chief of the ATS, his job was high-risk. And their deaths were not within 15 minutes, Hemant Karkare was informed of the attacks(at VT railway station) within 15 minutes of their beginning. He died much later.

If indeed it was right wing hindus who were behind this, then it would be a bloody suicide for them because it would be obvious as hell who was behind it.

Hi,
seemingly Karkare was conveniently executed under the guise of a terrorist attack---.

If you read up on the Hindu terrorist group you'll realize, they simply were too insignificant/uninfluential for someone to orchestrate something of the scale of the Mumbai attacks.

28 foreign nationals from 10 countries died in the attacks. The attacks were subsequently investigated by the FBI, Scotland Yard and the Israelis. And its straining the bounds of reason to think they would have gone along with a grand conspiracy that basically aimed to assassinate Karkare. Also, the NSA(in the US) as well as Indian intelligence was monitoring Lashkar-e-Taiba communications and relayed information that an attack was impending though exact details were unavailable.

 

[Vassnti]

2. If was indeed a real bullet-proof jacket then why you need to hide it ?

I would have thought the simple explanation if indeed the vest is missing is that the vests were found to be less than specification as i belive happened with some vests in pakistan as well.

Manufacturers cut "a few corners" a few people are paid not to notice and brave men are on the line in substandard equipment.

 

[atleast_a_bronze]

We are not trying to raise any suspicion. Rather Indians should ask questions about death of Karkare. There is alot to which is still missing.


The Mumbai attacks are separate then killing of Karkare.

And oh it is not some small case where police or Indian set up lost the bullet proof jacket.

It simply shows that Karkare was killed according to the plan.

Should learn a thing or two about blowing up things in a nice way, from you.
A nice figment of imagination to say that the killing of Karkare was a separate incident unrelated to the Mumbai attacks. As you had already said, he was killed early in the attacks.
No one had any clue about the gravity of the attacks that was going to unleash itself.

And I had to agree that the bullet proof vest was just bullet proof in it's name. Perhaps it was a toy vest

"The bullet-proof jackets worn by then State ATS chief Hemant Karkare and two senior police officers Ashok Kamte and Vijay Salaskar, killed in the 26/11 attacks, were of sub-standard quality, according to a public interest petition filed in the Bombay High Court.

The jackets, worn by Kakare and other police officers on the night of November 26, 2009, were among a lot of 110 jackets rejected first as sub-standard ones and bought later from the same supplier without tests, according to the petition."

The Pioneer > Online Edition : >> Karkare?s bullet proof vest was of ?sub standard quality?

India isn't New Zealand or Singapore and corruption is a way of life.
The Maharashtra govt would have thought that the police would never ever be in a situation of using the jackets. So why buy original...lets go in for dupes nice idea though...and fill the pvt coffers of politicians with that bribed money.
So it's their duty to hide their cover up aka hide the jacket or related info, which they are known to do with perfection.
This is as expected and business as usual.

 

[Goodperson]

Bullet proof Jacket was worn by many in police forces not especialy made for Karkare. ACP Salasker also he had more fame Mr Kamathe also died. Media is giving more prominence to Mrs Karkare accusation that too which came after 6 months. She is raising such issues as delay of 40 minutes which is much trivial given the bureaucracy and confusion at time of terrorist attack.

People with no knowledge are just making statements.

@ Mastan Khan
Was retuning to Pakistan was BB's fault ? Army was ruling they provided full security only for her isn't it they knew terrorist can strike anywhere.

Even now high profile Military targets are attacked can Pakistan do something to prevent them?

Karkare was in Anti terrorist dept head he took lead with other high profile police officers and unfortunately was not equipped with guns which can take on AK47.

You know one police officer took down the terrorist with bare hands even though terrorist was pumping bullets in him and he died. Does his family complain of conspiracy?

Even though not connected I can cite a interesting things learned in forums.

I came to know that Pakistan funded and armed Mukti Bahini only to accuse India after 1971. It kept BD away from mainstream Politics of Pakistan so that it can be separated. I will stop here.

Now tell me how you can prove otherwise ?