Mumbai Attacks

[Spitfighter]

The bodies of nine gunmen killed during attacks on the Indian city of Mumbai a year ago are still awaiting burial.

The unclaimed bodies are lying in a local government hospital and Mumbai police say they have still to take a decision about their future.

Muslim clerics had denied permission to bury the bodies in Mumbai graveyards, saying the actions of the gunmen had "defamed" their religion.

Ten men attacked Mumbai on 26 November 2008, killing more than 170 people.

Only one gunman, Mohammed Ajmal Amir Qasab, survived and he is currently facing trial.

'Un-Islamic'

The bodies are being kept in the morgue of Sir JJ Hospital. Officials say the area is secluded and guarded around the clock. The seal is checked every day.

TEN NAMED GUNMEN
Named militants. Mumbai police website
Nasir, alias Abu Umar (Nariman House)
Abu Ali (Taj Palace)
Soheb (Taj Palace)
Fahad Ullah (Oberoi)
Mohammed Ajmal Amir Qasab(survived)
Bada Abdul Rehaman (above left, Taj Palace)
Abdul Rehaman Chota (above right, Oberoi)
Ismal Khan (CST station)
Babar Imaran (Nariman House)
Nazir, alias Abu Omer (Taj Palace)

The question of what should be done with the dead militants arose soon after the attacks.

Pakistan flatly refused to take them despite India's argument that they should go back to the country from which they originated.

After post-mortem examinations the bodies were taken to the hospital morgue as Indian Muslims said they would not allow the bodies to be buried in their cemeteries.

Ibrahim Tai, president of the Muslim Council Trust, says he opposes such burials as the gunmen's actions were un-Islamic.

He says if the bodies have to be buried, it should be at "an unknown location".

"We know Indian authorities are stuck as the bodies have not been claimed by Pakistan. These nine people should not be identified by anyone. If they are buried without leaving any trace, then it is fine with us.

"We believe that their actions should not be praised or recognised by anyone. If they set up tombs then tourists will visit and people will talk about it. We don't want that to happen," he said.

Local Muslim cleric Maulana Mustaqil Azmi said it was important that the bodies were disposed of soon and that the matter was closed.

"We do not want them to be buried on any of our burial grounds but they can be disposed of anywhere else in India. Good Muslims are laid to rest in our burial grounds. We do not believe that these nine men are true followers of Islam."

Police say the bodies have been embalmed and are well preserved but a decision on burial has yet to be taken given the religious sensitivity.

BBC News - Bodies of gunmen in Mumbai attacks remain unburied


In a repeat of the Kargil episode, Pakistan has refused to accept the bodies of its citizens. Why do you guys think they've refused to accept their dead once again?

 

[Materialistic]

whatever they did was Un-Islamic, and forbidding to bury them in Bombay is a sign to show that we do not support this, agreed, but they should be buried because now they are gone so now its not possible neither of any use to do anything with the bodies,they should be buried silently somewhere.

 

[Goodperson]

whatever they did was Un-Islamic, and forbidding to bury them in Bombay is a sign to show that we do not support this, agreed, but they should be buried because now they are gone so now its not possible neither of any use to do anything with the bodies,they should be buried silently somewhere.

They cannot be buried in India.

 

[arihant]

They cannot be buried in India.

They can be but not in kabrastan for the reason that Muslim board has al ready disallowed it.

 

[Seadog1]

whatever they did was Un-Islamic, and forbidding to bury them in Bombay is a sign to show that we do not support this, agreed, but they should be buried because now they are gone so now its not possible neither of any use to do anything with the bodies,they should be buried silently somewhere.

I think they should be stuffed and put in an exibit with other animals.

 

[arihant]

I think they should be stuffed and put in an exibit with other animals.

great idea. Can be done in state of meghalaya's forest.

 

[StingRoy]

Pack all of them in a room and blow them... as they are doing to hundreds of innocents

 

[zagahaga]

oh shut up..... they should IF THEY ARE MUSLIMS this is haram ...... the soo called suck ups that are showing that ..ohhhh we are against terriost should stop wateing for their owner to come and pat them on the head .. and bury them

 

[Goodperson]

I think they should be stuffed and put in an exibit with other animals.

They can be thrown in lake infested with Crocodiles.

 

[grey boy 2]

David Headley: quiet American with alleged links to Mumbai massacre - Times Online

From The Times November 21, 2009

David Headley:

In almost every way, David Headley was the perfect neighbour. When the 49-year-old American citizen began renting an apartment in Mumbai last year he charmed his landlord, treated his laundry boy with respect, and befriended Bollywood figures at a local gym.

He told them that he was Jewish, and running an immigration agency from a respectable part of town. “Sweet and charming,” said his landlady. “Down to earth,” said his personal trainer.

Not until the past few days did they learn of his alleged other identity — and of quite how close security figures claim India may have come to a repeat of the militant attacks on Mumbai a year ago next week.

Apparently, Mr Headley’s original name was Daood Gilani. He was born in Pakistan, and is suspected of helping the terrorists who carried out last year’s Mumbai attack, and of planning another atrocity this year.

It alleges that he worked with Harkat ul-Jihad al-Islami (Huji), a Pakistan militant group, and Lashkar e-Taiba (LeT), the Pakistan group blamed for last year’s Mumbai attacks. The document also outlines claims that he was involved in the “Mickey Mouse Project” — a plan to attack Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper whose cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad in 2005 infuriated Muslims across the world.

It also allegedly shows that he and an apparent accomplice visited India several times between 2006 and 2009, and appear to have discussed attacking Indian targets as recently as September this year.

Indian investigators are now examining whether Mr Headley may be the “missing link” in the Mumbai attacks, which killed more than 170 people between November 26 and 29 last year. They are also investigating claims that he may have planned attacks this year on targets including the National Defence College in Delhi, the private Doon School in Dehradun, northern India, or even a nuclear facility.

In the process, they are shedding light on the evolving threat from LeT and its allies, and on India’s haphazard — but so far successful — efforts to respond. “This is yet another wake-up call for India,” said B. Raman, a former counter-terrorism chief in the Indian external intelligence service, the Research and Analysis Wing.

“This shows LeT is as determined as ever to attack India, and they are now using Western territory and foreign Muslims to do it.”

The most striking aspect of the Headley case is his profile: unlike other militant suspects, he is middle-aged, speaks fluent English, and lives in Chicago.

The son of a Pakistani diplomat and an American woman, he went to cadet college in Pakistan before moving to the US when he was 16.

In 1997, he was jailed for 15 months for trying to smuggle heroin into the US, according to court documents.

Yet by simply changing his name in 2006, he stayed under the radar on at least nine visits to India over the past three years.

The FBI says that in the alleged activities he was helped by Tahawwur Hussain Rana, a Canadian citizen of Pakistani origin who studied at the same cadet college, and was also arrested in the US last month.

Mr Rana’s immigration agency, which has offices in Chicago, helped to arrange Mr Headley’s trips and provided his cover story, according to the FBI.

To burnish his fake Jewish credentials, Mr Headley even carried a book called How to Pray like a Jew, the FBI says. The FBI appears to have placed him under surveillance after noticing his frequent movements between India, Pakistan, the Gulf and Europe.

It alerted Indian authorities after intercepting an e-mail in which Mr Headley’s alleged handler appears to give him a coded message suggesting an attack on India.

“I need to see you for some new investment plans,” the affidavit quotes the handler as saying.

When Mr Headley asks where, the handler suggests that he should “say hi to Rahul” in what the FBI says is a reference to a prominent Indian actor.

The actor has since been identified as Rahul Bhatt, a minor Bollywood star, who has admitted befriending Mr Headley in Mumbai.

In a telephone intercept in September, Mr Headley and Mr Rana are heard discussing five alleged targets and mentioning “Defence College”, according to the affidavit.

Mr Headley and Mr Rana have yet to respond to the affidavit.

But Indian and Western officials and analysts agree that the evidence presented so far appears to underline the global reach and ambitions of Huji and LeT. It also confirms India’s long-held fears that such groups might use foreigners of Pakistani or Indian origin, forcing it to tighten visa procedures.

Western governments had already adapted to that threat, but are worried that Mr Headley and Mr Rana may have used their immigration agency to move militants around the globe.

They are also increasingly aware of the threat to their own citizens in India — particularly during next year’s Commonwealth Games in Delhi.

“Prior to Mumbai, LeT was largely seen as a regional threat,” said one Western diplomat.

“Mumbai brought home that attacking India could directly impact Western interests, by killing their nationals, and also their indirect interests by destabilising the region.”

There is less agreement, however, on what the case says about India’s domestic security.

Some say that LeT and its allies are becoming more desperate as the Pakistan Army — which once sponsored them — has become distracted by its own campaign against the Taleban.

India has also taken a number of steps to improve its security apparatus. It has, for example, now established the National Investigation Agency, and it is amending legislation to give increased powers to the security services.

P. Chidambaram, the new Home Minister, has now started chairing a meeting of the heads of all the country’s important security agencies every morning.

The National Security Guard — whose commandos took eight hours to get to Mumbai from their Delhi headquarters last year during the attacks — has expanded its numbers and set up hubs in four more cities, including Mumbai.

“What about the past, almost 365, days?” said J. K. Dutt, the former NSG chief who led last year’s Mumbai operation. “There haven’t been any terrorist attacks since Mumbai. Doesn’t that also speak of the fact that there are steps the country has taken?”

Critics, however, say that India had a lucky escape thanks only to the FBI. Others question whether the US should have informed India earlier that it was watching Mr Headley.

Yet the biggest concern of all is still the underfunded and short-staffed police, a force which under India’s Constitution is the responsibility of state governments.

“When are we going to improve the training, consciousness and capability of local police?” asked Arun Bhagat, a former head of the Indian Intelligence Bureau. “Central agencies can only do so much.”

 

[vsdoc]

Why waste perfectly good bodies?

Prep them in formalin tanks and donate them to a Medical College.

Most Govt. teaching hospitals have a huge shortage of cadavers for dissection at most times ..... no reason why these 9 should not do some good to humanity in death at least.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Icarus]

Feed them to crocodiles, tigers, exhibit them or dissect them, do whatever you want we don't want them, we have had enough with terrorists.

 

[vsdoc]

Sorry to disappoint you buddy but the formalin jar exhibits are only reserved for teaching specimens if there is something out of place or unique or pathological or anatomical (for example, we had a double-headed glans penis in our anatomy museum).

The rest of the body parts day by day are cut, dissected, discussed, and when its done, and its time to move deeper, that part is disposed off in stainless steel buckets, for disposal in the municipal incinerator with other bio-medical waste.

Cheers, Doc

 

[vsdoc]

Most cadavers are either those donated to medical research or unclaimed bodies. These, like other cross-border militants killed daily in J&K, fall under the "unclaimed bodies" category, and there have been numerous petitions from the medical fraternity across the country to utilize them in teaching hospitals.

In most dissection labs of Govt. hospitals, you would have 10-15 to even 20 students crammed around a single cadaver (in AFMC we had 6 to a cadaver). Believe me, with that ratio its impossible to get a chance to cut or see anything for most excepting the most shraddhalu students.

This move if accepted by the Govt. would go a long way in making better Indian doctors, who ironically tomorrow might even save Pakistani lives.

Cheers, Doc

 

[EjazR]

oh shut up..... they should IF THEY ARE MUSLIMS this is haram ...... the soo called suck ups that are showing that ..ohhhh we are against terriost should stop wateing for their owner to come and pat them on the head .. and bury them

I'm afraid you still don't understand WHY mumbai muslims are so against this. Up to 45-50 muslims were shot in cold blood along with people from 22 different countries around the world. Just one muslim family lost 14 members leaving only one 12 year old boy and his uncle alive. And you still think they are "suck ups"? Wake up and stop making such insulting statements .

In fact, why doesn't GoP accept these bodies and give them the burial and closure with their families. Isn't it haram for the GoP to deny this to their family members?