Mumbai Attacks

[pama]

Who are you to judge? From my understanding if you pull out your state terrorist force, relations will get better.

Refer to my above post for details.

Only state terrorists force is with ISI
that's what went into afghan in Zia time.
Now there are having devils dance on FATA you seems to forget history

 

[duhastmish]

Sir,

I Recently heard there was a link between ULFA and ISI,DGFI. if thats true that ISI have got such deep hands in terrorism in most part of india. then Mumbai attack are nothing. What does i.s.i get out of it. i am unable to understand. And how incompetent is RAW. they are not getting a single blame they must be really bad player in such sort of attack on enemy country. But as for ISI they are loosing their name and respect to world as its not easy to hide such acts.

 

[was]

sick of this indian isi fobia,i hope isi will cause more pain in these pathetic indians *****

 

[dabong1]

There you are so you seems to agree this attacks has Kashmir in background..

No......more then likely its RAW recruits from FATA.

Your leaders say talks must for resolution and use these attacks to raise this issue.
we will not come until Pak stops sponsoring terrorists in Kashmir.

And we will not stop supporting them until the last of the indian terrorist forces are kicked out of kashmir.

 

[asq]

ok, since you come across as a moderate and a sensible person, lets discuss in a fair and frank way.
as soon as the 'mumbai' happened india had indications that this was outside job, specifically pakistan. even then, india didnt directly accuse pakistan or its govt. it only said that some 'elements' within pakistan might be responsible. this is similar to line by your prez about 'non-state actors'.
then india asked/requested that ISI chief be sent to india for joint investigation. pakistan agreed.
but backtracked later. this was the first jolt to pakistan's credibility. if pakistan had sent the ISI chief then indian govt would have been more than happy to give all the evidence even before asked. then, media(indian and pakistani) was reporting that qasab was a pakistan and his father accepted that fact before camera. but GOP refused to accept it. qasab wrote to pak consulate in india for legal help, but pakistan declined help saying that qasab is not a pakistani. when durrani accepted that qasab is a pakistani on a channel, he was sacked.
all this has lead to grave suspicions about the intentions of pakistani establishment. zardari has asked for foreign help in investigating BB's assasination, why was the investigation not done by you agencies. obviously, they are not trusted. when you dont trust them, how do you expect others to do so?
as for the tone of indian politicians, you have to sympathise with our plight. we were still smarting under an attack of such brutality. even, then india showed great restraint and has asked your govt to complete the investigation and give it a report.

wat did US do, when it was attacked similarly in 9/11? compare it with indian reaction.

Hold your horses SriJeesh. there will be an eye opening report by Zardari sometimes in few days. and the report will open your eyes, so stop the blame game and tune your ears and listen carefully.

It will be proved who is the nasty one. It somehow has been in each case in previous instances, Indians game is to blame Pakistan and delay to provide the facts so that Pakistan is blamed. But that is not how the world works.

When India starts its investigation, it always had its villains inside and were all inside jobs.

 

[Awesome]

Even if they are successfully prosecuted in Pakistan, won't they be hailed as heroes for killing Indians, Westerners, and Israelis?

What flavor of crazy do you take us for?

We don't like murderers as much as anyone else. Our mandate for a fight with India is limited to Kashmir, all places within India are off-limits.

 

[asq]

Like to delete this, but is not working as it somehow doubled the massage.

 

[asq]

What flavor of crazy do you take us for?

We don't like murderers as much as anyone else. Our mandate for a fight with India is limited to Kashmir, all places within India are off-limits.

u R so right Asim. People should remember how many wars have taken place in this world and who were the one fighting and hwo many innocents killed and are bieng killed today. check following report.

Iraq's Shocking Human Toll: About 1 Million Killed, 4.5 Million Displaced, 1-2 Million Widows, 5 Million Orphans

By John Tirman, The Nation. Posted February 2, 2009.

Now that Bush is gone, perhaps we can honestly face the damage we have wrought and the responsibilities we must accept from

We are now able to estimate the number of Iraqis who have died in the war instigated by the Bush administration. Looking at the empirical evidence of Bush's war legacy will put his claims of victory in perspective. Of course, even by his standards -- "stability" -- the jury is out. Most independent analysts would say it's too soon to judge the political outcome. Nearly six years after the invasion, the country remains riven by sectarian politics and major unresolved issues, like the status of Kirkuk.

We have a better grasp of the human costs of the war. For example, the United Nations estimates that there are about 4.5 million displaced Iraqis -- more than half of them refugees -- or about one in every six citizens. Only 5 percent have chosen to return to their homes over the past year, a period of reduced violence from the high levels of 2005-07. The availability of healthcare, clean water, functioning schools, jobs and so forth remains elusive. According to Unicef, many provinces report that less than 40 percent of households have access to clean water. More than 40 percent of children in Basra, and more than 70 percent in Baghdad, cannot attend school.

The mortality caused by the war is also high. Several household surveys were conducted between 2004 and 2007. While there are differences among them, the range suggests a congruence of estimates. But none have been conducted for eighteen months, and the two most reliable surveys were completed in mid-2006. The higher of those found 650,000 "excess deaths" (mortality attributable to war); the other yielded 400,000. The war remained ferocious for twelve to fifteen months after those surveys were finished and then began to subside. Iraq Body Count, a London NGO that uses English-language press reports from Iraq to count civilian deaths, provides a means to update the 2006 estimates. While it is known to be an undercount, because press reports are incomplete and Baghdad-centric, IBC nonetheless provides useful trends, which are striking. Its estimates are nearing 100,000, more than double its June 2006 figure of 45,000. (It does not count nonviolent excess deaths -- from health emergencies, for example -- or insurgent deaths.) If this is an acceptable marker, a plausible estimate of total deaths can be calculated by doubling the totals of the 2006 household surveys, which used a much more reliable and sophisticated method for estimates that draws on long experience in epidemiology. So we have, at present, between 800,000 and 1.3 million "excess deaths" as we approach the six-year anniversary of this war.

This gruesome figure makes sense when reading of claims by Iraqi officials that there are 1-2 million war widows and 5 million orphans. This constitutes direct empirical evidence of total excess mortality and indirect, though confirming, evidence of the displaced and the bereaved and of general insecurity. The overall figures are stunning: 4.5 million displaced, 1-2 million widows, 5 million orphans, about 1 million dead -- in one way or another, affecting nearly one in two Iraqis.

By any sensible measure, it would be difficult to describe this as a victory of any kind. It speaks volumes about the repair work we must do for Iraqis, and it should caution us against the savage wars we are prone to. Now that Bush is gone, perhaps the United States can honestly face the damage we have brought and the responsibilities we must accept from it.

 

[Energon]

"With the primary objective of conducting low intensity/subversive/proxy warfare", yes - but terrorism, which I am defining as attacks against non-governmental civilians, absolutely not, never was, and never will be.

Let's first and foremost be very, very clear on this point.

Evidence in the form of Reality clearly indicates to the contrary; so no, not buying this. Any further arguments based on this faulty premise are non starters.

 

[Dilli]

Pak may file cases against 5 over Mumbai attack

NDTV.com: Pak may file cases against 5 over Mumbai attack

Pakistan on Sunday said it will examine the findings of its probe into 26/11 on Monday as the media in Islamabad reported that the government will file cases against five Pakistanis, including lone captured terrorist Ajmal Amir Qasab, for planning the Mumbai attacks.

The interior ministry's report also states that the attacks were planned not in Pakistan or India but in a European country, Geo News channel quoted sources as saying. The conspirators kept in touch by using the internet, the sources said. {Just like us guys}

The sources also said that cases would be filed against five Pakistanis, including Qasab, the lone attacker arrested by Indian authorities, for planning the Mumbai attacks. Action will be taken against them in the country according to Pakistani laws and access to Qasab will be sought to identify his Indian 'associates', the sources said.

The Pakistan government has not formally stated so far whether it will seek consular access to Qasab though it has acknowledged that he is a Pakistani national.

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani on Sunday said the government will finalise its response to the Indian dossier after the report is presented on Monday.

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So after sea, Bangladesh, and non-state actors, it is the internet with no defined boundaries. Very intelligent of them indeed.

 

[ejaz007]

DCC meeting to discuss Mumbai probe report today

By Sajjad Malik

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani will preside over a meeting of the Defence Committee of the Cabinet (DCC) today to finalise an investigation report into the Mumbai terror attacks.

The report – prepared by a special investigation commission – has already been cleared by the Interior Ministry, the Law Ministry and the Foreign Affairs Ministry.

Sources said the prime minister had already been briefed on the findings of the report, and at the DCC meeting, he would give his final approval to share the details with India and the international community.

According to a private TV channel, the report says that the Mumbai attacks were not planned in Pakistan or India and puts the source outside Pakistan. The channel quoted its sources that according to the document, the attacks were ‘planned’ in a European country and the Internet was also used in organising the attacks.

The sources said that a case would be filed against five Pakistanis – including Ajmal Kasab, the lone gunman arrested after the attacks – and action would be taken against those found guilty in line with the law of the land. The sources also told the channel that a demand for access to or extradition of Kasab would be made, in a bid to identify his Indian accomplices.

A DCC meeting on December 8 renewed Pakistan’s offer of cooperation with India – including intelligence sharing, assistance in investigations and the establishment of a joint investigative commission to track down perpetrators of the Mumbai attacks.

Defence Minister Chaudhry Ahmad Mukhtar, Defence Production Minister Abdul Qayyum Khan Jatoi, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi, Information Minister Sherry Rehman, Adviser to the Prime Minister on Finance Shaukat Tareen, Interior Adviser Rehman Malik, Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee Chairman General Tariq Majid, Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Kayani, Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Noman Bashir and Chief of Air Staff Tanvir Mehmood Ahmad are scheduled to attend the meeting.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[Neo]

‘Internal hand involved in Mumbai attacks’​

* Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Singh Modi criticises ruling Congress for not taking action against any local group​

NAGPUR: Indian Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Singh Modi hinted on Sunday that the Mumbai terror attacks could not have been carried out without internal help – comments that are in sharp contrast with claims by other Indian officials who hold Pakistan solely responsible for the attacks.

The senior Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader said, “If we single out that one incident (Mumbai attacks) and ask any person in this country ... with basic information and knowledge, they will say that such a big terror attack on India cannot take place without any internal help from the nation itself.”

Criticism: He criticised the Congress-led coalition government for not taking action against any local groups involved in the Mumbai attacks.

Modi’s new theory contradicts India’s official position, and came just hours ahead of Pakistan’s reply to an Indian dossier of information given to Islamabad.

Addressing a BJP convention here, the Gujarat chief minister also slammed the policies of the ruling Congress party.

According to Hindustan times, Modi also made a scathing attack on the Gandhi-Nehru family, alleging that a conspiracy had been hatched to promote the family, posing a danger to the future of the country.

“A conspiracy to promote one family’s past is posing a danger for the future of the country,” Modi said without directly naming the Gandhi-Nehru family, but the indication was obvious. online/daily times monitor

 

[asq]

khoob Geo Neo. lambi umar ho.

 

[Captain03]

NDTV?
yea good source genious

 

[AliFarooq]

for him it is lol