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It seems to me that they only people who can tell the difference between an Indian and a Pakistani by simply using some "stereotype" don't actually live in Pakistan.

Yes, cuz i have friends that are indian and they diffrent part of india, we get used to it here, indians and pakistanis can tell just by looking if hes an indian or pakistani.
 
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The point is not missed and it remains the same. Miraculously, the DAHI WALLA and his wife are missing, that is a mystery to me.

They'd only be missing if they ever existed.

If they do exist, this would be followed up. Even the media hasn't followed the lead of those journalists - why? because their "evidence" is so flimsy, it's not worth it. Faridkot is open even now. You, yourself, could go there, and do the same research. You may even meet his alleged parents.

You are not a Anthropologist to decide his place just by looking at facial features and skin color. As seen in above Youtube clip, there are Pakistani people who might look like that.

I know enough about anthropometrics to realize he's not the same subrace as the "Ajmal" that was captured.

There are Pakistanis of Indian descent in Pakistan, just as there are Canadians of Indian descent in Canada, however they all look Indian. That is what I'm saying.

He speaks Punjabi not Hindi according to official reports. The guys who you claim to speak Hindi are dead, so your point remains moot with respect to this guy.

We've discussed this on another thread. He was speaking in a clear Hindi tongue, with words like Jullum. A Pakistani would not say such words.
 
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He supposedly been in training for 3years.(from the reports about his hometown being confirmed as faridkot)Surely they wont train him for three years without giving him food.

So for three years they fed the kid till he became an obese, podgy faced lard ***, and groomed him everyday so that he looked clean cut. That's some terrorist training camp he attended, turning him into a lard *** instead of a fighting machine.
 
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Nice reasoning. I hope all the posts on this forum have sense like this discussion.
 
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I think there was cover up - but only in the number of casualties overall. I think there were more.
 
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So for three years they fed the kid till he became an obese, podgy faced lard ***, and groomed him everyday so that he looked clean cut. That's some terrorist training camp he attended, turning him into a lard *** instead of a fighting machine.
he's supposed to act like a graduation student and its hardly alien for students to be clean shaven.
 
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It seems to me that they only people who can tell the difference between an Indian and a Pakistani by simply using some "stereotype" don't actually live in Pakistan.

Flint,

Those who matter have no doubts abt what is happening. The rest don't matter, in any case, the perpetual state of denial will remain.
 
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Qasab is crucial evidence himself, Given the mistrust with Pakistan India would rather give access to aggrived parties viz US, Israel and UK whose citizens were also the victims of Attacks.

This is irrelevant. The Hind...I mean boy, "Ajmal", is in custody of the Indians. Whoever visits him will hear the same stories, until he is not in Indian custody. If he says a wrong word to anyone Americans Israelis Japanese, he'll be tortured some more. Please don't act like they don't torture even low level crooks in India.
 
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he's supposed to act like a graduation student and its hardly alien for students to be clean shaven.

You've not answered why they'd turn a slim, fit villager into an obese lard a-ss that would probably be out of breath if he had to walk more than 15 yards.

What do they teach them at "terrorist training camp", how to eat lots of food, get as fat as possible, and then comb their hair? If he wants to disguise himself on a trawler, his big fat belly is probably going to make him stand out more than anyone else.

I'm afraid even that story doesn't make much sense.

You've still not offered any explanation as to why he was speaking Hindi (or wearing the Kalava).
 
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Crackdown hints at Faridkot-Mumbai link -DAWN - Top Stories; December 12, 2008

Crackdown hints at Faridkot-Mumbai link
Dawn Special Report

KARACHI, Dec 11: The targeting of Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jamaatud Dawa and the rounding up of the activists belonging to the two jihadi organisations appear to have been triggered by information originating in India following the capture of one of the 10 men who attacked several targets in Mumbai towards the end of last month.

During the course of Dawn’s own investigations last week our reporters were able to locate a family who claimed to be the kin of the arrested young man in Mumbai.

The sole survivor among the 10 attackers was named as Ajmal Kasab and was supposed to belong to the village Faridkot in the Punjab. Media organisations such as the BBC and now the British newspaper Observer have done reports trying to ascertain the veracity of claims appearing in the media that the young man had a home there.

On Friday last, the BBC reported unusual activity in Faridkot near Deepalpur. A BBC correspondent located a house in the village, the then inhabitants of which carried the surname of Kasab (or Qasab as the word is often spelt here). But the residents denied any link with either Ajmal or with any Amir Kasab, the name of Ajmal’s father as reported by some of the media.

At the weekend, the Observer in England claimed that it had managed to locate the house everyone was looking for so desperately. Its correspondent said he had got hold of the voters’ roll which had the names of Amir Kasab and his wife, identified as Noor, as well as the numbers on the identity cards the couple carried.

Even though the news stories by both BBC and the Observer made a mention of the LeT, some television channels in Pakistan suggested that a connection between Mumbai and Faridkot could not be established beyond a shadow of doubt.

However, the man who said he was Amir Kasab confirmed to Dawn that the young man whose face had been beamed over the media was his son.

For the next few minutes, the fifty-something man of medium build agonized over the reality that took time sinking in, amid sobs complaining about the raw deal the fate had given him and his family.

“I was in denial for the first couple of days, saying to myself it could not have been my son,” he told Dawn in the courtyard of his house in Faridkot, a village of about 2,500 people just a few kilometres from Deepalpur on the way to Kasur. “Now I have accepted it.

“This is the truth. I have seen the picture in the newspaper. This is my son Ajmal.”

Variously addressed as Azam, Iman, Kamal and Kasav, the young man, apparently in his 20s, is being kept in custody at an undisclosed place in Mumbai.

Indian media reports ‘based on intelligence sources’ said the man was said to be a former Faridkot resident who left home a frustrated teenager about four years ago and went to Lahore.

After his brush with crime and criminals in Lahore, he is said to have run into and joined a religious group during a visit to Rawalpindi.

Along with others, claimed the Indian media, he was trained in fighting. And after a crash course in navigation, said Amir Kasab, a father of three sons and two daughters, Ajmal disappeared from home four years ago.

“He had asked me for new clothes on Eid that I couldn’t provide him. He got angry and left.”

While Amir was talking, Ajmal’s two “sisters and a younger brother” were lurking about. To Amir’s right, on a nearby charpoy, sat their mother, wrapped in a chador and in a world of her own. Her trance was broken as the small picture of Ajmal lying in a Mumbai hospital was shown around. They appeared to have identified their son. The mother shrunk back in her chador but the father said he had no problem in talking about the subject.

Amir Kasab said he had settled in Faridkot after arriving from the nearby Haveli Lakha many years ago. He owned the house and made his earnings by selling pakoras in the streets of the village.

He modestly pointed to a hand-cart in one corner of the courtyard. “This is all I have. I shifted back to the village after doing the same job in Lahore.

“My eldest son, Afzal, is also back after a stint in Lahore. He is out working in the fields.”

Faridkot is far from the urbanites’ idea of a remote village. It is located right off a busy road and bears all the characteristics of a lower-middle class locality in a big city.

It has two middle-level schools, one for girls and the other for boys which Ajmal attended as a young boy. For higher standards, the students have to enroll in schools in Deepalpur which is not as far off as the word remote tends to indicate.

It by no means qualifies as Punjab’s backwaters, which makes the young Ajmal’s graduation to an international “fearmonger” even more difficult to understand. The area can do with cleaner streets and a better sewage system but the brick houses towards the side of the Kasur-Deepalpur road have a more organised look to them than is the case with most Pakistani villages.

The Observer newspaper reports that some locals seeking anonymity say the area is a hunting ground for the recruiters of LeT and provides the organisation with rich pickings.

The approach to Faridkot also points to at least some opportunities for those looking for a job. There are some factories in the surroundings, rice mills et al, interspersed with fertile land. But for the gravity of the situation, with its mellowed and welcoming ambience, the picture could be serene.

It is not and Amir Kasab repeats how little role he has had in the scheme since the day his son walked out on him. He calls the people who snatched Ajmal from him his enemies but has no clue who these enemies are. Asked why he didn’t look for his son all this while, he counters: “What could I do with the few resources that I had?”

Otherwise quite forthcoming in his answers, Amir Kasab, a mild-mannered soul, is a bit agitated at the mention of the link between his son’s actions and money. Indian media has claimed that Ajmal’s handlers had promised him that his family will be compensated with Rs150,000 (one and a half lakh) after the completion of the Mumbai mission.

“I don’t sell my sons,” he retorts.

Journalists visiting Faridkot since Dawn reporters were at the village say the family has moved from their home and some relatives now live in the house. Perhaps fearing a media invasion, nobody is willing to say where the family has gone.
 
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A BBC correspondent located a house in the village, the then inhabitants of which carried the surname of Kasab (or Qasab as the word is often spelt here). But the residents denied any link with either Ajmal or with any Amir Kasab, the name of Ajmal’s father as reported by some of the media.

This is simply not true, and is disinformation that can be proven quite easily.

The alleged father of "Ajmal Qasab" was not called "Amir Qasab" by any Observer/BBC reporter.

The alleged father was called "Mohammed Amir".

DailyTimes said:
The correspondent, Saeed Shah, who visited the village, writes in The Observer, London, that he has obtained electoral lists for Faridkot showing 478 registered voters, including a Muhammad Amir, married to one Noor Elahi. Amir’s and Noor’s national identity card numbers are also said to have been obtained. At the house where the family is said to live, a man calling himself Sultan said he was Muhammad Amir’s father-in-law.
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

DailyTimes said:
“The list of 478 registered voters shows a Muhammad Amir, married to Noor Elahi, living in Faridkot. Amir’s national identity card number is given as 3530121767339, and Noor’s is 3530157035058.”
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan


However, the man who said he was Amir Kasab confirmed to Dawn that the young man whose face had been beamed over the media was his son.

There is no "Amir Qasab" living in Faridkot, it's been proven. There is a Muhammed Amir, as per the international media reports.

This just confirms what I was saying before. That these illiterate people from these poor villages will say anything to bring wealthy reporters back to their village. They will say anything under bribery.

I'll repeat for you. There is no "Amir Qasab" in Faridkot. The Observer reports have checked the electoral register and could not find anybody with the surname of Qasab on it.

Journalists visiting Faridkot since Dawn reporters were at the village say the family has moved from their home and some relatives now live in the house. Perhaps fearing a media invasion, nobody is willing to say where the family has gone.

Oh, that's convenient. As soon as Dawn interview this "Amir Qasab" who does not exist on the electoral register, he disappears never to be interviewed again. The Dawn (who does not mention any correspondent by name), just managed to get the scoop luckily.

At the very least, those names are fabricated. You can see why I said that simple journalism is no proof of anything.
 
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This is simply not true, and is disinformation that can be proven quite easily.
The alleged father of "Ajmal Qasab" was not called "Amir Qasab" by any Observer/BBC reporter.

The alleged father was called "Mohammed Amir".


Denial denial denial....

I wonder if this article was a RAW plant gleefully published by the Dawn ?
 
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This is simply not true, and is disinformation that can be proven quite easily.
The alleged father of "Ajmal Qasab" was not called "Amir Qasab" by any Observer/BBC reporter.

The alleged father was called "Mohammed Amir".


Denial denial denial....

I wonder if this article was a RAW plant gleefully published by the Dawn ?

lol. It's not denial at all. These are all JOURNALIST reports. Need I mention how many lies the Indian media made?

I pointed out there is no Amir Qasab on the electoral role. There IS a Muhammad Amir. So the article you quoted is factually incorrect. How is that denial.

When I hear the GoP acknowledging this report to be true, THEN it will be true. If a journalist says something is true, then that is of very little importance. Saddam was reported to have drones of death, Pakistan Army were reported to have slaughtered a mathematically impossible 3 million Bengalis in a couple of months, Hitler was reported to be a very fair and balanced man in past German media. Until things are confimed, they are only true in the minds of those WISHING it were true.

But I'm willing to wait, until all this is confirmed. I doubt it's true though.

It sounds more like a competition between newspapers to be the first to say they met the non existent Amir Kasab.

You would kindly explain to me why there is no "Qasab" on the electoral roll in Faridkot?
 
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LOL. And here's the newest one. The father's name is "Saddiq Jawai"!!

Then Ghulam Mustafa, mayor of Faridkot, suddenly appeared. Yes, there was an Ajmal in Faridkot, Mustafa said. Yes, his house is here. His mother is there. We can go there, he said.

The crowd swelled as Mustafa led the way through a narrow maze of tumbledown brick compounds. They pushed purposefully past a house pulsing with music from an engagement party, made a sharp left and poured through the wooden archway of another compound. A few curious young boys in maroon-and-gold school uniforms trailed along, crowding into a small, enclosed courtyard where Mustafa said the mother of the man known simply as Ajmal had lived.

Mustafa strode toward a petite, frail-looking woman with dark skin and piercing blue eyes. Her weathered face looked pained as strangers asked her for the umpteenth time since the Mumbai attacks about her son.

"Don't make me worry. I'm a poor lady. My son is a poor laborer, earning 20 to 30 rupees a day," she said.

With tears in her eyes and wringing her hands, she gave her name as Amerin Jawai. Asked about her husband, she hesitated for a moment, then said his name was Saddiq. She said her son, Ajmal, was 25 years old, worked in a brick factory in Faridkot, and was somewhere hanging out. He has no cellphone so he could not be reached.

Is Ajmal married, someone asked. Yes, he has a wife and two children, Jawai said. Where is Ajmal's wife? She is not here, she lives with her father in the village of Shergarh, Jawai replied. Jawai said Ajmal's father died when Ajmal was 12.


What about a photo? Jawai nodded sharply toward the mayor. "No. I have repeatedly told him to make an ID card for my son, but he hasn't done it. So he is the reason we do not have a photo of him," Jawai said, indicating the mayor.

Mustafa laughingly shrugged off the woman's comment. A few minutes later, as darkness fell, he hurriedly escorted his guests back to their car.
washingtonpost.com


And if you need proof there's no Kasab on the electoral roll of Faridkot

There is no Kasab," said Ali Sher, brother of the town's mayor. "We have a list of each person who is registered to vote. There is no Ajmal."

When asked about Indian claims that Kasab's mother, Noor Elahi, lives in the town, Sher chuckled, shook his head and said several women sharing the same name live in Faridkot. As for Kasab's father, residents confirmed that a Muhammad Amir once lived in the town. But he was 75 or 80 years old and had moved away from Faridkot about 10 years ago, they said. And, besides, they added, Muhammad Amir was a brick worker, not a butcher, as the Urdu translation of the name "Kasab" would imply.
washingtonpost.com

Now this is also an international reporter, but I somehow doubt you'll accept it.

There is no "Kasab" on the electoral roll of Faridkot. There WAS a Muhammed Amir that left the area 10 years ago according to residents.

Can I claim that you're in denial now also?



Like I said these are reports, not facts.
 
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