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Wrong. There were calls made to Pakistan, Let Commander to be specific.

Eating words, nobody knows better than Pakistanis.
There is a strong possibility that there were a very large number of terrorists involved. Not just 5-10. More like 100.

Which is why they held on for so long.

No way 5 guys can hold the Taj for so long. IA is BSing away to make it look like some supermen came from some highly trained place in Pakistan.
 
Where they? Given the accusation after Gujarat train incident forgive me if i don't believe the "instant investigation".
Funny the Indian police seem to be the most efficient in the world ............Oh BTW there were claims that some of the people were from The UK and that was shown to be nonsense....what else could be?
 
There is a strong possibility that there were a very large number of terrorists involved. Not just 5-10. More like 100.

Which is why they held on for so long.

No way 5 guys can hold the Taj for so long. IA is BSing away to make it look like some supermen came from some highly trained place in Pakistan.

Naah Asim I think they were just really Ham handed in their reactions....poorly handled.
 

Mumbai attacks: Investigation focuses on Pakistan

Following the atrocity in Bombay, the focus is now on the area fuelling the Islamist jihad.


By Isambard Wilkinson in Peshawar
Last Updated: 8:47PM GMT 28 Nov 2008
Taliban fighters gather for the funeral of a comrade in Pakistan in April
Have weapons, will travel: Taliban fighters gather for the funeral of a comrade in Pakistan in April Photo: AFP

As the body count rises, and the full horror is revealed in the accounts of traumatised survivors and the photographs of the dead strewn around Bombay's (Mumbai's) tourist venues, the investigation into the atrocity is at full pelt.

Already a disturbing theme is emerging: that two of the world's most bitter and intractable conflicts, in Afghanistan and Kashmir, could be merging into one.

According to Indian authorities, the trail of the gunmen who ran riot in the streets and hotels leads back to the wild terrain of Pakistan's tribal border areas, from where groups linked to al-Qaeda plot a global jihad.

The connection is strengthened by the fact that the terrorists singled out British and American citizens as victims for their slaughter, and by reports that the attackers included "British citizens of Pakistani origin", most probably trained in the tribal areas.

But other significant factors are in play, too. In their propaganda, the terrorists named the territorial dispute over Kashmir – for which Pakistan and India have twice gone to war – as a cause of their actions, along with grievances over the treatment of India's Muslims by the Hindu majority.

This juxtaposition of causes is no surprise to observers of the region. India and Pakistan have long used factions within Afghanistan as proxies in their long dispute over Kashmir.

Earlier this year, US intelligence officials accused the higher echelons of the Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence organisation (ISI) of using jihadis to orchestrate a bloody terrorist attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul.

Pakistan, in turn, is suspicious of India's growing influence in Afghanistan, accusing its old foe of supplying arms and money to the Taliban, and to separatists within Pakistan itself.

There is a vicious irony here. It was Pakistan that first sponsored the Taliban, along with other terrorist groups, operating in Indian-held Kashmir. Yet now it finds itself endangered by the very groups it once supported.

Pakistan's tribal areas have become a nexus for arms and money, a playground for the world's intelligence agencies and for the jihadist groups they both combat and sponsor.

America, in particular, is fighting what is essentially an undeclared war here, one which will only increase in intensity as its attention shifts from Iraq under incoming president Barack Obama.

The tribal area, once cherished by British colonial administrators for its "fiercely independent" Pathan tribesmen, is a series of endless mountainous ramparts cut by hidden valleys and plateaus.

High, fortress-like, mud-walled compounds dot valleys that vary from arid to oases of fruit trees and fields.

Their inhabitants are often engaged in centuries-old feuds, and subsist on trade, smuggling, kidnapping and extracting the maximum price from ever-shifting political allegiances.

Yesterday, near the town of Jamrud, pick-up trucks with white Islamic pendants fluttering on their bonnets ferried posses of long-haired, heavily armed militants, along the main artery of the Khyber Pass.

They belonged to a faction of Islamic warriors fighting against the dominant Taliban chief of the area, Baitullah Mehsud.

"They are with us. At least for now," said Tariq Hayat, the Pakistani government's representative for the Khyber area. He is a civil servant with nominally god-like powers, whose bodyguards are armed with rocket launchers.

He was there to inspect pickets he had set up to protect convoys transporting supplies to coalition forces in Afghanistan, after 12 lorries, whose cargo included four Humvees, were hijacked this month.

In the areas they control, the militants, who began their campaigns under the guise of "social reform", have enforced a regime of fear, beheading suspected informers, stoning women and committing acts of brutality against Pakistani security forces.

On a recent visit, militants attacked as journalists were being shown the compounds captured by the Pakistani army. Cobra helicopters had to lash down heavy rounds to keep them at bay.

Mr Hayat claims that most militants are "criminals", funded by India. He cites intelligence photographs he says he saw in 2005 of an Afghan leaving an Indian consulate with a large bag. Another photograph showed the man handing the same bag to Baitullah Mehsud. Conspiracy theories rule on the frontier.

The resulting chaos is not just a problem for Pakistan. "The tribal areas are an ungoverned space that make Pakistan a threat to global security," says a senior Western military intelligence official in Islamabad.

As a result, America is taking matters into its own hands. A week ago, a British al-Qaeda suspect, Rashid Rauf, was reportedly killed alongside three others in a US missile strike in North Waziristan where he sought refuge after escaping from custody.

There have been at least 20 such US missile strikes in the last three months, reflecting American impatience over militants from Pakistan fuelling the insurgency in Afghanistan.

The CIA has monitoring stations within the Pakistani tribal areas and along the eastern Afghan border, and a large network of tribal informers.

Last month the first missile strike outside of the tribal areas occurred in Bannu district, while this week tribesmen in North and South Waziristan were reported to have fired on Predator drones hovering above.

On a recent visit to Pakistan, the US central command chief, Gen David Petraeus, explained away the missile strikes, claiming that America is doing Pakistan a favour.

His words were backed by General James Conway, the head of the Marine Corps, who told the Wall Street Journal this week; "Iraq is now a rearguard action on the part of al-Qaeda. They have changed their strategic focus not to Afghanistan but to Pakistan, because Pakistan is the closest place where you have the nexus of terrorism and nuclear weapons."

Officials say that there is a tacit understanding between the US and Pakistani militaries to allow the missile strikes. But the protests from the Pakistan People's Party, which won the recent election, are growing ever louder.

The PPP fears not just a backlash within the tribal area, but losing its hold on power in the country as a whole: most Pakistanis are broadly anti-American, and strongly opposed to violations of their sovereignty.

A map published by a Right-wing American journal recently, which depicted the region broken down into smaller ethnic states, led to widespread claims that the US wants to break Pakistan apart.

This sense of national insecurity has been heightened by a spate of kidnappings and assassinations, particularly in Peshawar, capital of the North-West Frontier province.

Two weeks ago, a senior American aid worker was shot dead along with his driver. The next day, militants kidnapped a junior Iranian diplomat after killing his police escort.

A botched American commando raid in September in South Waziristan also inflamed public opinion against Washington, and set back the government's efforts to galvanise what President Asif Zardari has tried to sell as "Pakistan's war".

The Pakistani army says that it also fears that US missile attacks will draw it into too many battles, in notoriously difficult terrain.

One Taliban commander said last week that, if there are more missile strikes, he will pull out of a peace deal with Pakistan's military that has held since 2006. "Pakistan is directly involved in aiding America to carry out these attacks," said a spokesman for Hafiz Gul Bahadur.

Despite its eagerness to keep such figures onside, Pakistan is stepping up its efforts in other areas.

Under new army chief, Ashfaq Kiyani, its forces are engaged in fierce fighting against militants in the tribal areas of Bajaur and Mohmand and the neighbouring district of Swat.

When General Kiyani was head of the ISI a year ago, he briefed foreign ambassadors on his attempts to clamp down on the rogue agents who had supported terrorists and jihadis in the past.

But, according to American and British officials, the massacre in Bombay (Mumbai) represents a devastating setback, both to Pakistani/Indian relations and to the wider war on terror.

Barack Obama had hoped to persuaded Pakistan to concentrate its gaze to the west, on Afghanistan, rather than east, on Kashmir. Instead, he may find that he – and his allies – are waging a war on two fronts.

Mumbai attacks: Investigation focuses on Pakistan - Telegraph
 
U.S. Intelligence Focuses on Pakistani Group

By MARK MAZZETTI
Published: November 28, 2008

WASHINGTON — American intelligence and counterterrorism officials said Friday there was mounting evidence that a Pakistani militant group based in Kashmir, most likely Lashkar-e-Taiba, was responsible for the deadly attacks in Mumbai.

The American officials cautioned that they had reached no hard conclusions about who was responsible for the operation, nor on how it had been planned and carried out. Nevertheless, they said that evidence gathered over the past two days has pointed to a role for Lashkar-e-Taiba, or possibly another Pakistani group focused on Kashmir, Jaish-e-Muhammad.

The American officials insisted on anonymity in describing their current thinking and declined to discuss the intelligence information that they said pointed to Kashmiri militants.

Lashkar-e-Taiba on Thursday denied any responsibility for the terrorist strikes. The group is thought by American intelligence agencies to have received some training and logistical support in the past from Pakistan’s powerful spy service, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, but American officials said Friday that there was no evidence that the Pakistani government had any role in the Mumbai attacks.

American and Indian officials for years have blamed Lashkar-e-Taiba for a campaign of violence against high-profile targets throughout India, including the December 2001 attack on the Indian Parliament building in New Delhi and an August 2007 strike at an amusement park in Hyderabad.

At times, Indian officials have also said that Jaish-e-Muhammad was responsible for the 2001 attack on the Parliament building.

A State Department report issued this year called Lashkar-e-Taiba “one of the largest and most proficient of the Kashmiri-focused militant groups.” The report said that the group drew funding in part from Pakistani expatriate communities in the Middle East, despite the freezing of its assets by the United States and Pakistan in 2002, after the attack on the Indian Parliament.

The report said that the actual size of the group was unknown, but estimated its strength at “several thousand” members.

Pakistani officials announced Friday that the head of the ISI, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, would travel to India to assist the Indian government with its investigation of the attacks. If it occurred, the visit would mark a first for an ISI chief.

But by Friday evening, Pakistani officials were suggesting that a lower-level representative of the ISI would make the trop.

An FBI team has also been dispatched to Mumbai to assist with the forensic investigation of the attacks.

Lashkar-e-Taiba has, for the most part, not targeted Westerners in past attacks, as some reports said the attackers in Mumbai did. But one counterterrorism official said Friday that the group “has not pursued an exclusively Kashmiri agenda” and that the group might certainly go after Westerners to advance a broader goals.

The official said that there was also strong evidence that Lashkar-e-Taiba had a “maritime capability” and would definitely have been capable of mounting the sophisticated operation in Mumbai, which intelligence officials say they believe began when the attackers arrived in the city in small boats.

American and Indian officials are pursuing the possibility that the attackers arrived off the coast of Mumbai in a larger merchant ship, and then boarded the smaller boats before they launched the attack.


Even as a Kashmiri connection to the attacks began to emerge Friday, American officials said there were puzzled by some developments of the past two days. For instance, they said they still know next to nothing about a group called the Deccan Mujahedeen that has reportedly taken responsibility for the attacks.

Terrorism experts have said there is no evidence that the group was involved in past strikes, and speculated that the name was made up by another militant group to mask responsibility for the attacks.


Pakistan, meanwhile, seemed anxious to defuse the mounting crisis in relations with its neighbor.

The Pakistani foreign minister, Shah Mahmood Qureshi, said that India and his country should join hands to defeat a common enemy, and urged New Delhi not to play politics over the attacks in Mumbai, Reuters reported.

“Do not bring politics into this issue,” the Pakistani foreign minister told reporters in the Indian town of Ajmer during a four-day visit to India. “This is a collective issue. We are facing a common enemy and we should join hands to defeat the enemy.”

President Asif Ali Zardari of Pakistan called Prime Minister Manmohan Singh of India, Reuters reported, to say he was “appalled and shocked” by the terrorist attacks. “Non-state actors wanted to force upon the governments their own agenda, but they must not be allowed to succeed,” he said.

Salman Masood contributed reporting from Islamabad.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/29/world/asia/29intel.html?_r=1&hp
 
Well they were trying to broadcast about the Bombay Siege ! Please remember CNN is watched world wide so there has to be reason for this unsaid wrap on the knuckles.

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CNN's License to Broadcast From India Expires


In the midst of one of the biggest international stories in months — the ongoing siege on Mumbai, CNN's license to broadcast live from India has expired. CNN had applied for and received a 5-day license which began last Monday and expired today. CNN had a license when the story broke because they were broadcasting a special series on India and business. All foreign broadcasters need to have a license to transmit live from India.

"Live satellite transmission from India has to be approved by the Indian government," CNN spokesperson Nigel Pritchard tells TVNewser. "Unfortunately, the officials are not extending CNN's live transmission license."

CNN/U.S. and CNNI can still simulcast the transmissions from their partner CNN IBN. Pritchard says the network will also "continue to have correspondents at the Taj Hotel and other locations in Mumbai and will be reporting from the various scenes on the latest news via phone."

CNN's License to Broadcast From India Expires - mediabistro.com: TVNewser

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Yes Mr. Neutral - had your fun?
 
LTTE provides ideas for terror attacks like Mumbai: Lanka
28 Nov 2008, 1745 hrs IST, PTI
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COLOMBO: Condemning the deadly terror strike in Mumbai, Sri Lankan foreign minister Rohitha Bogollagama on Friday said militant groups such as
LTTE provide ideas and methodology for undertaking such attacks.

"Methodology and well-coordinated precision of these savage attacks are reminiscent of the terror tactics employed by the LTTE against innocent civilians and vital infrastructure in Sri Lanka," Bogollagama told the parliament.

"I have no doubt in my mind that the terrorist groups the world over, study and mimic the modus operandi of each other and to cause maximum death and destruction," he said.

"We in Sri Lanka are all too familiar with the stark reality of the cruel hand of LTTE terrorism which has been responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians over the last 25 years," the minister told the house.

Condemning the strike in Mumbai, the minister said that President Mahinda Rajapaksa's statement had called for "the urgent need for concerted action by all countries to eradicate terrorism, wherever it is and whoever the leaders and manipulators of such violence may be."

He also welcomed US President-elect Barack Obama's message, wherein he had stated "the United States must continue to strengthen our partnerships with India and nations around the world to root out and destroy terrorist networks".
 
I have a hunch the terrorists are being helped by someone inside the taj hotel. They can know the design and and the layout of the taj hotel but to do that for such a long time.. requires some inside help too..
 
on ndtv they were saying tha they should bomb pakistan in live trasm.
they are spreading hate or they are creating mindset for a war??
very irresponsabily
 
Care to answer that after all CNN is not PTV ? I watched CNN till last night and than after Sarah Sidner incident suddenly there is no live transmission.

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It has nothing to do with "Sarah Sidner Incident" or whatever - a lot more "embarassing stuff" has been broadcast on Indian channels.

We have terrorists speaking live to television channels giving long propaganda speeches, we have television channels giving out operational details simply "warned" and "requested" to "refrain" from revealing details.

the entire world media is broadcasting live from India for god's sake. You think the "Sarah Sidner" incident was never shown on any other TV Channel?

There is obviously good reason why they are not renewing their license just yet.
 
Sad, but it had to happen given the Indian attitude.

It could've been a ground breaking step forward. But Indian hubris had to be answered back. I hope when Shuja Pasha does go a week or so later when the thing has gotten to be a little old.


Asim, Indian may be saying that ISI did this but even US president straight name Islamabad after 10 years of experience of his presidency and wars
US President George W. Bush was yesterday drawn directly into the row over Pakistan's notorious ISI spy agency, reportedly saying it was impossible to share intelligence with Islamabad "because it goes straight to the terrorists".

George Bush adds fuel to fire over ISI spy agency | The Australian


And no wonder even if US missiles and aircrafts keep dropping bombs in search of terrorists wanted in US, if not the terrorists of United States then they know they will certainly kill few terrorists
A fugitive British militant linked to an alleged UK plot to use liquid bombs to blow up transatlantic airliners has been killed in Pakistan, reports say.
Pakistani media said Rashid Rauf, born in Birmingham, was killed in a US air strike in North Waziristan

BBC NEWS | South Asia | UK militant 'killed in Pakistan'


Dream Islamic country of Jinnah sahib has reached a level that this is nothing but a “common sense” that which country does these terrorists activities anywhere in the world
CIA director Michael Hayden has warned that every major terrorist threat confronting the world has ties to Pakistan.

Every major terror threat involves Pakistan: CIA -DAWN - Top Stories; November 15, 2008


Infact, if we have a look on all the blasts, attacks in Afghan and India, “Terrorism Industry” has become the major source of earning for Pakistan which Pakistan doesn’t want to loose
 
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There is obviously good reason why they are not renewing their license just yet.

Either give me THE GOOD REASON or let me make my own conclusion.

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BTW did you see the Sarah Sidner incident or are you just making innane posts.
 
I have a hunch the terrorists are being helped by someone inside the taj hotel. They can know the design and and the layout of the taj hotel but to do that for such a long time.. requires some inside help too..

You are right. One of them was working as a Chef in Taj for 10 months and he also killed most of the Kitchen staff.

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Either give me THE GOOD REASON or let me make my own conclusion.

Regards

BTW did you see the Sarah Sidner incident or are you just making innane posts.

You seem rather quick to jump to conclusions, in spite the fact that nothing has been explained as yet.
 
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