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Muhammad Bin Qasim

History is so much murkier, it's hard to believe which side is right. Every group comeup with their own eveidences and none of us in general public can verify those. Most of the written accounts are open to interpretation and doesn't hold any true unbiased historical facts.
Hard to distinguish between facts and myths. Duh..
 
Discuss probable inaccuracies and do not provoke.One of the poster has been shown an exit door.
 
Yes. Slavery is sickening.
Now put your foot forward. Condemn slavery in Islam. I dare you.

Come on. Evolve.


Perhaps you have quoted it from here.
http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_1751_1800/women in hinduismhtml.htm

If you want to genuinely know the real meaning of the verses, let me know. Else bookmark the link and show how bad Hinduism is. :D
Why don't u b the first drop of rain and condemn slavery practice in hindutva in fact entire dalit caste was considered slaves for upper Hindu taking em as free labor was common practice in old times in parts of India even today
Also condemn burning alive of widow sati and not allowing em to remarry even today in several parts of india in Hinduism :)
 
Yes. Slavery is sickening.
Now put your foot forward. Condemn slavery in Islam. I dare you.

Come on. Evolve.
You were condemning Muslims and Islam only, without considering historical context of practice: your intent was clear, spewing hatred and malign.
Now you are asking me to condemn slavery in Islam, again without citing any reason etc; And still you have not shared your views on "Slavery in Hinduism".

Islam has evolved; from first prophet Adam A.S. to last prophet Muhammad PBUH, but I don't expect you to subscribe to that fact.


Perhaps you have quoted it from here.
http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_1751_1800/women in hinduismhtml.htm

If you want to genuinely know the real meaning of the verses, let me know. Else bookmark the link and show how bad Hinduism is. :D

I didn't used that specific site. but, thanks for the link. I will not use that link, but many other will.
I had read enough to know that enslavement through war, gambling and debt was common in Vedic Culture.

You people are doing a tremendous job right now do give Hinduism a bad name.
 
History is so much murkier, it's hard to believe which side is right. Every group comeup with their own eveidences and none of us in general public can verify those. Most of the written accounts are open to interpretation and doesn't hold any true unbiased historical facts.
Hard to distinguish between facts and myths. Duh..
True. Humans are biased. Humans write history so history is also biased. There are not black and white so you cannot paint someone in past as entirely evil or entirely saint. Historians interpreted events to promote certain view points by ignoring those parts that did not fit to their pre-conceived notions
 
You were condemning Muslims and Islam only, without considering historical context of practice: your intent was clear, spewing hatred and malign.
Now you are asking me to condemn slavery in Islam, again without citing any reason etc; And still you have not shared your views on "Slavery in Hinduism".

Islam has evolved; from first prophet Adam A.S. to last prophet Muhammad PBUH, but I don't expect you to subscribe to that fact.




I didn't used that specific site. but, thanks for the link. I will not use that link, but many other will.
I had read enough to know that enslavement through war, gambling and debt was common in Vedic Culture.

You people are doing a tremendous job right now do give Hinduism a bad name.
Not really. I was condemning slavery in general. And particularly in Islam for which you show no apology to this day.
You have the right not to, actually. Just don't expect everyone to accept it as a glorious philosophy, that's all.

Why don't u b the first drop of rain and condemn slavery practice in hindutva in fact entire dalit caste was considered slaves for upper Hindu taking em as free labor was common practice in old times in parts of India even today
Also condemn burning alive of widow sati and not allowing em to remarry even today in several parts of india in Hinduism :)
Condemned. Been doing so for more than 3 centuries now. 5 actually. Check the Bhakti movement.

Your turn. :D

enslavement through war, gambling and debt was common in Vedic Culture.
You know wrong. The righteous war of Mahabharata was triggered for a few reasons. Draupadi's attempted disrobing was one of them. It actually shows the opposite. It was deeply frowned upon and it was made clear that it could actually even lead to self destruction. :omghaha:
 
Yes. Slavery is sickening.
Now put your foot forward. Condemn slavery in Islam. I dare you.

Come on. Evolve.


Perhaps you have quoted it from here.
http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_1751_1800/women in hinduismhtml.htm

If you want to genuinely know the real meaning of the verses, let me know. Else bookmark the link and show how bad Hinduism is. :D

Females were made slaves of Muslims to raise the population of Muslims and when they were made , they were not mistreated . In ancient times before Islam , after war the females were captured and mistreated . Men would take them as their property and exchanged them to other men for s^^. Several men would have illegal relationship with one woman , such woman were widely misused .
Many would end up being prostitutes , in short words Islam didn't end slavery cause the society at that time was not developed or couldn't accept this so Muslims had to create a good form in it by keeping those women to each one man and they were given good treatment and part of wealth in inheritance .

Now time has evolved , so slavery is abolished and shouldn't be practiced by Muslims anymore . I would personally stand against it if any Muslim kept such slave cause today's world and Muslims have changed . They lost that hayaa and honour and faith and piety that the Muslims had at that time . You could not trust anyone in today's world . Best example is ISIS treating women as dogs .

All Muslim states should ban such slavery .

Why don't u b the first drop of rain and condemn slavery practice in hindutva in fact entire dalit caste was considered slaves for upper Hindu taking em as free labor was common practice in old times in parts of India even today
Also condemn burning alive of widow sati and not allowing em to remarry even today in several parts of india in Hinduism :)

We should not condemn the Islamic teachings but has to condemn today's Muslims treatment with women .

The moot question is not whether Muhammad Bin Qasim was great warrior or not but why do Pakistanis greatly worship an Arab than their own?

Is it a question of inferiority complex?

Is it a question of Stockholm syndrome?

This is where Iranians totally differentiate themselves from the Pakistanis.

In spite of embracing Islam, Iranians still learn and feel proud of their history.

Persians neither worship Arabs nor the Greeks irrespective of whether Persians kings have won or lost.

More importantly Persians always defend their narrative and not the narrative thrust upon them by the victors.
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We Worship muhammad bin qasim??

Are you in your senses Indian , can you get me a temple of qasim where we go and worship him ? Your inferiority complex according to CNN is speaking itself yet u Blame us . Are you frustrated with the presence of Islam in hind or do u hold qasim responsible for creation for Pakistan ?
I know you're not happy with the presence of Islam in hind that is why u use derogatory term worship for us Pakistanis cause that's what an unhappy person do .

Islam is above cultures , traditions , languages castes unlike your hindusm that has not evolved yet and still treat dalits as shit .

We , the Islamic Republic are proud of our religion above than culture or tradition and u can go hit yourself on the wall for not giving importance to your stupid culture by us .

Qasim and all other rulers who spread Islam here will always be heroes and great historical personalities for us and you can burn in your hate .. All we care .
 
Not really. I was condemning slavery in general. And particularly in Islam for which you show no apology to this day.
You have the right not to, actually. Just don't expect everyone to accept it as a glorious philosophy, that's all.
A Muslim would do mental gymnastics but never agree to the horrible practices and preaching of Islam - and its not just slavery, it is half a dozen other horrific practices. They would yet always be the first to point out issues in other religions. That is just how they are wired.
 
A Muslim would do mental gymnastics but never agree to the horrible practices and preaching of Islam - and its not just slavery, it is half a dozen other horrific practices. They would yet always be the first to point out issues in other religions. That is just how they are wired.
Yes. My experience so far has been like that.
Some do condemn. In fact many do. But I guess they cease to be Muslims...

Females were made slaves of Muslims to raise the population of Muslims and when they were made , they were not mistreated .
This is sick. :D

Why not just say that? Sick. That's all.

Islam is above cultures , traditions , languages castes
This is a load of crap.
So many countries with overwhelming Muslim majorities. Not one United with another. Infighting. Civil wars. Europeans and Indians take on Muslim refugees while Muslim countries don't.
Brotherhood is a farce. Only effective when fighting not Muslims. Otherwise useless.
 
Yes. My experience so far has been like that.
Some do condemn. In fact many do. But I guess they cease to be Muslims...


This is sick. :D

Why not just say that? Sick. That's all.


ess.

Actually their treatment before Islam was sick . But then them being limited to only one man and treated equally as wives was honorable which was acceptable for that time .
Yes. My experience so far has been like that.
Some do condemn. In fact many do. But I guess they cease to be Muslims...


This is sick. :D

Why not just say that? Sick. That's all.


This is a load of crap.
So many countries with overwhelming Muslim majorities. Not one United with another. Infighting. Civil wars. Europeans and Indians take on Muslim refugees while Muslim countries don't.
Brotherhood is a farce. Only effective when fighting not Muslims. Otherwise useless.

Read the context , that prejudiced Indian felt a burn that why do we give respect to people who brought Islam here instead of his lingu Hindu culture in India .
And when did India start giving refugee to Muslims ? Don't spread bullshit here , you kill Muslims for your bulls .
Pakistan , Turkey are the most prominent Muslim countries that gave refugee to other Muslims in their country while India on other hand got a burn when that sharbat gula went for a free treatment in India .
 
Actually their treatment before Islam was sick . But then them being limited to only one man and treated equally as wives was honorable which was acceptable for that time .


Read the context , that prejudiced Indian felt a burn that why do we give respect to people who brought Islam here instead of his lingu Hindu culture in India .
And when did India start giving refugee to Muslims ? Don't spread bullshit here , you kill Muslims for your bulls .
Pakistan , Turkey are the most prominent Muslim countries that gave refugee to other Muslims in their country while India on other hand got a burn when that sharbat gula went for a free treatment in India .
That's the worst defence of sexual slavery.

But sure. Your civilization. Your rules.

Rohingya in India.
Syrians in Europe. Check what the refugees are subjected to in Turkey. What the women are being increasing forced to do.

Actually their treatment before Islam was sick
Are you sure? Based on what source?
Khadijah would strongly disagree.
 
That's the worst defence of sexual slavery.

But sure. Your civilization. Your rules.

Rohingya in India.
Syrians in Europe. Check what the refugees are subjected to in Turkey. What the women are being increasing forced to do.


Are you sure? Based on what source?
Khadijah would strongly disagree.
Based on pre Islamic tradition of slavery where the masters would force their female slaves into prototution, where the children of slaves were also slaves for life , where the slaves were the goods for trade , ... now compare It with Islam treatment where they were held chaste , were ordered to be treated with kindness , Muslims were encouraged to free their slaves , they and their children had a part in inheritance , their children were not held slaves , they were free . , where a slave was adopted by prophet saww as son and he's the proof of prophet's kindness to him , a slave was appointed as the first muazin of Islam, where a slave woman was freed and given status of ummahat ul momineen ... compare the treatment of Muslims vs non Muslims after Islam .. non Muslims killed their slaves . Master of bilal tortured him to death , sumaiya r a was hit by a sword in between her legs by her master for accepting Islam .. These all are signs for those who keep 'aqal'.

Nd Khadijah r.a was a hurra, a free woman not a slave . This speaks your intelligence about Islam .

That's the worst defence of sexual slavery.

But sure. Your civilization. Your rules.

Rohingya in India.
Syrians in Europe. Check what the refugees are subjected to in Turkey. What the women are being increasing forced to do.


Are you sure? Based on what source?
Khadijah would strongly disagree.

Check how your country is following trump and is deporting thousands of rohingya .

U didn't even keep them for a year and u r taunting Muslims .
Learn from us we kept the friends of our enemy for 40 years and Turkey has been kind enough to refugees , what u say is either stereotyping or as usual Indian media lies .
 
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Based on pre Islamic tradition of slavery where the masters would force their female slaves into prototution, where the children of slaves were also slaves for life , where the slaves were the goods for trade , ... now compare It with Islam treatment where they were held chaste , were ordered to be treated with kindness , Muslims were encouraged to free their slaves , they and their children had a part in inheritance , their children were not held slaves , they were free . , where a slave was adopted by prophet saww as son and he's the proof of prophet's kindness to him , a slave was appointed as the first muazin of Islam, where a slave woman was freed and given status of ummahat ul momineen ... compare the treatment of Muslims vs non Muslims after Islam .. non Muslims killed their slaves . Master of bilal tortured him to death , sumaiya r a was hit by a sword in between her legs by her master for accepting Islam .. These all are signs for those who keep 'aqal'.

Nd Khadijah r.a was a hurra, a free woman not a slave . This speaks your intelligence about Islam .



Check how your country is following trump and is deporting thousands of rohingya .

U didn't even keep them for a year and u r taunting Muslims .
Leads from us we kept the friends of our enemy for 40 years and Turkey has been kind enough to refugees , what u say is either stereotyping or as usual Indian media lies .
It speaks of your intelligence. Hindus are non-Muslims and we have no concept of slavery in our religion. None of the Eastern religions do.
Stop trying to shove the Islam treats slaves better than non-Muslims do. In our view Islam is barbarian for just legitimising slavery regardless of whether their 'condition improved' or not.
 
It speaks of your intelligence. Hindus are non-Muslims and we have no concept of slavery in our religion. None of the Eastern religions do.
Stop trying to shove the Islam treats slaves better than non-Muslims do. In our view Islam is barbarian for just legitimising slavery regardless of whether their 'condition improved' or not.


Don't poke your ugly nose in a conversation where you've nothing to do .

The guy required explanation then who r u to pass judgement here without even understanding a thing . Get lost .
 
We Worship muhammad bin qasim??

Are you in your senses Indian , can you get me a temple of qasim where we go and worship him ? Your inferiority complex according to CNN is speaking itself yet u Blame us . Are you frustrated with the presence of Islam in hind or do u hold qasim responsible for creation for Pakistan ?
I know you're not happy with the presence of Islam in hind that is why u use derogatory term worship for us Pakistanis cause that's what an unhappy person do .

Islam is above cultures , traditions , languages castes unlike your hindusm that has not evolved yet and still treat dalits as shit .

We , the Islamic Republic are proud of our religion above than culture or tradition and u can go hit yourself on the wall for not giving importance to your stupid culture by us .

Qasim and all other rulers who spread Islam here will always be heroes and great historical personalities for us and you can burn in your hate .. All we care .


I used the word Worship Figuratively and not Literally. The key question that I was asking was does a normal Pakistani Sindhi love Muhammad bin Qasim or Raja Dahir ?

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https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/muhammad-bin-qasim-predator-or-preacher.512234/
 
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