Muhammad Bin Qasim

[SarthakGanguly]

Nd Khadijah r.a was a hurra, a free woman not a slave . This speaks your intelligence about Islam .

I never claimed she was a slave.
And it's knowledge. Not intelligence.

 

[Well.wisher]

I used the word Worship Figuratively and not Literally. The key question that I was asking was does a normal Pakistani Sindhi love Muhammad bin Qasim or Raja Dahir ?

cross posting related thread

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/muhammad-bin-qasim-predator-or-preacher.512234/

I'm A sindhi and I would personally favor qaasim cause he brought Islam here and established Muslim rule .
Raaja daahar was a bad person because he imprisoned Muslims . That was only call of one Muslim woman captured by raja dahir that qaasim came here and defeated Raaja daahar .
Qaasim is a hero .
We admire him for his services for Islam and that's it , all glory and worship and praises only belong to Allah .

I never claimed she was a slave.
And it's knowledge. Not intelligence.

Indian don't kid here , the topic was female war captives .. now don't waste my time .

 

[StraightShooter]

I'm A sindhi and I would personally favor qaasim cause he brought Islam here and established Muslim rule .
Raaja daahar was a bad person because he imprisoned Muslims . That was only call of one Muslim woman captured by raja dahir that qaasim came here and defeated Raaja daahar .
Qaasim is a hero .
We admire him for his services for Islam and that's it , all glory and worship and praises only belong to Allah .

That's exactly what I was saying/wondering on these posts.

You are happy to follow the narrative of the victor and then you are finding reasons to justify that narrative.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/muhammad-bin-qasim.512612/#post-9772945

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/muhammad-bin-qasim.512612/page-2#post-9774371

 

[Well.wisher]

That's exactly what I was saying/wondering on these posts.

You are happy to follow the narrative of the victor and then you are finding reasons to justify that narrative.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/muhammad-bin-qasim.512612/#post-9772945

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/muhammad-bin-qasim.512612/page-2#post-9774371

What's your point ?
Kehnaa kia chaahty Ho

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Check how your country is following trump and is deporting thousands of rohingya

We have learnt our lessons. Take them. In the name of Ummah.
Why should Muslims take refuge in non Muslim countries? You tell me.

I'm A sindhi and I would personally favor qaasim cause he brought Islam here and established Muslim rule .
Raaja daahar was a bad person because he imprisoned Muslims . That was only call of one Muslim woman captured by raja dahir that qaasim came here and defeated Raaja daahar .
Qaasim is a hero .
We admire him for his services for Islam and that's it , all glory and worship and praises only belong to Allah .



Indian don't kid here , the topic was female war captives .. now don't waste my time .

That matter was settled. Islam has slavery in built in to the system. Something you accepted.
I was broadening the net. My point is that women were treated as good or better before Islam in Arabia.

 

[Well.wisher]

We have learnt our lessons. Take them. In the name of Ummah.
Why should Muslims take refuge in non Muslim countries? You tell me.


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Actually no Muslim would even like to come to your dirty shit hole .
You should free the Indian Muslims too whom you've kept as goats or they might proceed to ask for another country .. (aameen)

We have learnt our lessons. Take them. In the name of Ummah.
Why should Muslims take refuge in non Muslim countries? You tell me.


That matter was settled. Islam has slavery in built in to the system. Something you accepted.
I was broadening the net. My point is that women were treated as good or better before Islam in Arabia.

Thick head indiot .

 

[SarthakGanguly]

You should free the Indian Muslims too whom you've kept as goats or they might proceed to ask for another country .. (aameen)

If they ask for another country, they will be butchered. Regardless of faith. That is state policy.

Thick head indiot .

 

[Well.wisher]

If they ask for another country, they will be butchered. Regardless of faith. That is state policy.

And that's what you're already trying to do to Pakistan by butchering indirectly ,
Why do indiots still didn't accepted partition and trying to claim Pakistan as their own ?

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

It speaks of your intelligence. Hindus are non-Muslims and we have no concept of slavery in our religion. None of the Eastern religions do.
Stop trying to shove the Islam treats slaves better than non-Muslims do. In our view Islam is barbarian for just legitimising slavery regardless of whether their 'condition improved' or not.

There were many practices which were considered norms in the past but considered wrong as per modern standards of right or wrong and slavery is one of them. You had many evil practices in ancient India and some of them even being practised today i.e fire-walking, widow burning(sati), baby tossing , female Infanticide etc

Did invaders asked you to practice caste system where you oppress fellow Hindu and discriminate them socially and economically ? You should thanks Britain that they made laws against some of evil practices existed in India otherwise your local kings/raja/Maharaja were not any less cruel or oppressive than some of these invaders

When you talk about slavery then How you will justify this now? Whom you will blame for this?

https://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2016/06/02/india-has-the-most-people-living-in-modern-slavery/
https://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2014/11/20/indonesia-8th-worst-slave-country-says-report/

India has more people living in modern slavery than the population of the Netherlands, a new report estimates.

Of the 167 countries surveyed, the South Asian country has the highest number of people living in slavery–more than 18 million people, or 1.4% of the population.

The 2016 Global Slavery Index from the Walk Free Foundation said modern slavery comes in many forms, from domestic to sexual to bonded and child labor. The term refers to a situation in which a person has taken away another’s freedom so they can be exploited.

Globally, 45.8 million people are enslaved, the report estimated. The countries with the highest prevalence as a proportion of the population were North Korea, Uzbekistan, Cambodia, India, and Qatar. But India, China, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Uzbekistan had the highest absolute numbers.

“All forms of modern slavery continue to exist in India, including intergenerational bonded labor, forced child labor, commercial sexual exploitation, forced begging, forced recruitment into non-state armed groups and forced marriage,” the report said.

It is hard to know exactly how many people are subject to slavery, the authors of the report admitted. In India, Gallup conducted the surveys in 15 states that were used as the basis for the estimate.

Among the sectors known known to use slave labor in India were the construction, sex, agriculture, fishing and manufacturing industries as well as domestic help and begging, the report said.





Globally, 45.8 million people are enslaved, the report estimated. The countries with the highest prevalence as a proportion of the population were North Korea, Uzbekistan, Cambodia, India, and Qatar. But India, China, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Uzbekistan had the highest absolute numbers.

“All forms of modern slavery continue to exist in India, including intergenerational bonded labor, forced child labor, commercial sexual exploitation, forced begging, forced recruitment into non-state armed groups and forced marriage,” the report said.

It is hard to know exactly how many people are subject to slavery, the authors of the report admitted. In India, Gallup conducted the surveys in 15 states that were used as the basis for the estimate.

Among the sectors known known to use slave labor in India were the construction, sex, agriculture, fishing and manufacturing industries as well as domestic help and begging, the report said.

Indian law doesn’t differentiate between human trafficking and sex work, so it is difficult to know how many people are stuck in sexual slavery, the report said.

The survey also counted people who had been forced into marriage and children who were forced into armed opposition groups. The country’s brick making business is one of the worst offenders the report said.

“The country’s steady population growth and the corresponding demand for improvement of infrastructure and increased dwellings have enabled the ʻblood bricks’ produced in these industries to continue,” it said.

Pakistan had the third-largest number of people in modern slavery, more than 2 million.

Bonded labor is one of the most prevalent forms of modern slavery there, according to rights groups. Though prohibited under law, the practice hasn’t been eliminated, and persists especially in the brick-making industry and agriculture.

 

[StraightShooter]

Why do indiots still didn't accepted partition and trying to claim Pakistan as their own ?

I do not know the reason why Pakistanis keep harping this line.

No. Indians do not want Pakistan to merge back with India.

Some may want friendly relations while other may want it to be annihilated.

 

[Well.wisher]

I do not know the reason why Pakistanis keep harping this line.

No. Indians do not want Pakistan to merge back with India.

Some may want friendly relations while other may want it to be annihilated.

We keep harping it cause this is what your countrymen tell us .
I've personally met many such Indians on Internet media that keeps claiming right in Pakistan .

I'll dearly show you screen shots of Indians propagating on Internet that Pakistan belongs to India .
I know many want to destroy it but I don't understand their claim of rights over Pakistani land .

 

[StraightShooter]

We keep harping it cause this is what your countrymen tell us .
I've personally met many such Indians on Internet media that keeps claiming right in Pakistan .

I'll dearly show you screen shots of Indians propagating on Internet that Pakistan belongs to India .
I know many want to destroy it but I don't understand their claim of rights over Pakistani land .

Firstly you cannot take people on the Internet at face value, for one they may not be Indians.

I have traveled and lived in India for over 60 years now and I know how Indians feel.

Option 1:

If all Pakistanis give up Islam and convert to one of the dharmic religions. This may entice some people to change their mind on merging India with Pakistan.

Option 2:

If all Pakistanis move out of Pakistan and give the land to India. This would surely entice majority to consider a merger of India and Pakistan.

Option 3:

Islam is going to be a majority in India in the next 20-30 years and would merge with Pakistan after declaring itself a Islamic republic.


Option 1 & 2 are not even remotely possible. Option 3 is the most likely option and is scheduled to happen by 2050.

 

[Well.wisher]

Firstly you cannot take people on the Internet at face value, for one they may not be Indians.

I have traveled and lived in India for over 60 years now and I know how Indians feel.

Option 1:

If all Pakistanis give up Islam and convert to one of the dharmic religions. This may entice some people to change their mind on merging India with Pakistan.

Option 2:

If all Pakistanis move out of Pakistan and give the land to India. This would surely entice majority to consider a merger of India and Pakistan.

Option 3:

Islam is going to be a majority in India in the next 20-30 years and would merge with Pakistan after declaring itself a Islamic republic.


Option 1 & 2 are not even remotely possible. Option 3 is the most likely option and is scheduled to happen by 2050.

You're sixty years old . ??

Between looking at all options , if they really so believe that then not so wise nation .

 

[StraightShooter]

You're sixty years old . ??

My heart is only 20 years

 

[StraightShooter]

What's your point ?
Kehnaa kia chaahty Ho

The point is

Rajputs support Maharana Pratap

Marathas support Chhatrapati Shivaji

Tamils support Rajaraja Chola

Kannadigas and Telugus support Krishnadevaraya

Afghans support Ahmad Shah Durrani

But Pakistani Sindhis do not support Raja Dahir instead support the invading General.