MTA to enter global market

[shree835]

“We have received a legal order and financing for the MTA from the Russian-Indian JV. Russia and India have an equal participation in the venture. Both countries have invested $300 million each, making a total of $600 million,” deputy general director of JSC Rosoboronexport and head of the joint delegation of state corporation Rostech and JSC Rosoboronexport Viktor Komardin told reporters at the LIMA-2013 Arms Exhibition.
He said that on the Russian side the aircraft would be developed by Ilyushin Aviation Complex. As soon as Ilyushin creates, tests, and presents a working prototype, the JV will commence production. The aircraft is due to be built in both India and Russia. “Here, Rosoboronexport will play a big role,” said Komardin.

It was reported earlier that this year would see India and Russia sign a full-scale contract on the test development of the MTA. In 2012, India’s HAL Corporation and Russia’s Ilyushin agreed and signed a contract on the joint development of a blueprint of the aircraft.

Russia and India set up a JV to design and develop the medium-payload MTA. Its founders were India’s HAL (50%) and Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation (25%) and Rosoboronexport (25%). The headquarters of the JV will be based in Bangalore.

The Russian version of the aircraft is due to be fitted with PS-90A-76 engines each with a thrust of 14.5 metric tons. It is not yet known which engines the Indian version of the MTA will feature.

Production facilities will be located in both countries. The Indian Ministry of Defence plans to pre-order 45 aircraft, and the Russian Air Force is expected to purchase approximately 100. At the initial stage, it is forecast that 205 aircraft will be manufactured, of which 30% are to be sold globally.

The maximum take-off weight will be 55-60 metric tons. The vehicle will be able to carry different loads of at least 18.5 metric tons. It will be fit for use at high-altitude aerodromes and operational in hot climates.

http://indrus.in/economics/2013/03/30/mta_to_enter_global_market_23377.html

 

[hitenray09]

Never count your chickens before they hatch........

 

[acetophenol]

The intial plan was to fly by 2010,fuk'em all.

 

[jha]

Seems like another Vikramaditya .... Lets see how this thing really develops.

 

[Sergi]

The intial plan was to fly by 2010,fuk'em all.

I would call it successful If the JV could manage to fulfil Indian and Russian requirements before 2020. It will always remain on Paper

 

[Koovie]

xD Indians and Russians working together in such a JV = delay is practically preprogrammed


OT: Good to hear that its still running that there are funds for it

 

[Abingdonboy]

I do hope the Indian military is going into this project with their eyes open. The fact that the MTAs are set to replace the AN-32s means the MTA very much is under a deadline as the -32s are already coming to the end of their useful service lives and the upgrades they are getting now will only prolong their lives so much. The MTA is a crucial lynch pin in be IAF's transport fleet overhaul and as it is the only system being developed and not procured off the shelf their is scope for some serious issues down the road. I just hope the IAF are ready with a plan B ie a mass C-130J order.

Interesting that HAL is the single largest share holder though, could mean the machine is "India-specific" from the get go.

 

[faithfulguy]

The title of the thread sounds like the domestic requirements are fulfilled and the manufacturers are looking for foreign orders to keep the assembly line going.

 

[Dandpatta]

^^^ That's exactly how it sounds like @ faithfulguy.

 

[sancho]

I just hope the IAF are ready with a plan B ie a mass C-130J order.

Interesting that HAL is the single largest share holder though, could mean the machine is "India-specific" from the get go.

No need for C130Js, even if MTA would be delayed, because we will get the Avro replacements in the meantime as well and these are actually in the An 32 class.
HAL is the largest share holder, since we have no other Indian company to join in a similar manner as the Russian can. But if it would be "India-specific", it would be in the class of the Avro replacements, since IAF prefered a smaller aircraft, while the Russians insisted on a C130 class aircraft. Interestingly the Russian specs speaks of 20t payload, while HALs specs shows just 18t, which again shows the different requirements.

 

[Abingdonboy]

No need for C130Js, even if MTA would be delayed, because we will get the Avro replacements in the meantime as well and these are actually in the An 32 class.
HAL is the largest share holder, since we have no other Indian company to join in a similar manner as the Russian can. But if it would be "India-specific", it would be in the class of the Avro replacements, since IAF prefered a smaller aircraft, while the Russians insisted on a C130 class aircraft. Interestingly the Russian specs speaks of 20t payload, while HALs specs shows just 18t, which again shows the different requirements.

Yes I agree to an extent. However do you not think the IAF then needs somthing like the A400 to bridge the gap (which is quite sizable) between the MTA/Avro replacement and the massive C-17? The IAF wi have the ability to lift 70+ tons and ~19 tons but nothing really in between (discounting the small number if C-130Js the IAF will operate as they are primarily for Spec Ops support and are not really part of the IAF's mainstream transport fleet). The A400 with a lift capacity of 45 tons would be ideal IMHO. Around 25-30 are the required number IMHO.


Thoughts @sancho @arp2041 ?

 

[sancho]

Yes I agree to an extent. However do you not think the IAF then needs somthing like the A400 to bridge the gap (which is quite sizable) between the MTA/Avro replacement and the massive C-17? The IAF wi have the ability to lift 70+ tons and ~19 tons but nothing really in between (discounting the small number if C-130Js the IAF will operate as they are primarily for Spec Ops support and are not really part of the IAF's mainstream transport fleet). The A400 with a lift capacity of 45 tons would be ideal IMHO. Around 25-30 are the required number IMHO.

I am suggesting the A400 or at least something it it's class for a long time, but not as a stopgap or because of the payload (which is 37t for A400), but because I see an important need to transport vehicles or bigger cargo to remote places and therfor we need something bigger than MTA/C130J and that can be used at more airfields in India than the C17 could. That's why I don't want the optional C17s and take A400 MRTTs instead, which then would benefit our tanker roles as well.

My wishlist would be:

C295 - 9t payload
MTA - 18 to 20t payload
A400MRTT - 37t payload (cargohold big enough for IFVs, SPHs, trucks, or combat helicopters, half the cost of C17, medium to long range)
C17 - 77t payload (strategic lift for operations all around the world, heavy cargo role for high altitude areas)

So basically doubling the payload in every class, with C130J-30s mainly for special ops, A330 MRTT mainly for the tanker role, while both could be added to the transport role as well.

 

[3Idiots]

We could have done this type of project the Tejas / ADA way ... instead of a Brahmos / Su-30MKI / FGFA way.

I would have preferred the former.

 

[sancho]

We could have done this type of project the Tejas / ADA way ... instead of a Brahmos / Su-30MKI / FGFA way.

I would have preferred the former.

Ever heard of Saras and RTA?

 

[Abingdonboy]

We could have done this type of project the Tejas / ADA way ... instead of a Brahmos / Su-30MKI / FGFA way.

I would have preferred the former.

The IAF doesn't have 20+ years to wait for an AN-32 replacement. Which is how long it would take for the ADA/NAL/HAL to build up the requisite experience and expertise to build something like the MTA.