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This thread is dedicated to @jamahir

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When Muammar Gaddafi was toppled in 2011, there were scenes of jubilation in Libya. But Jake Wallis Simons didn't have to go far in Ghana to find those who have fond memories of the executed Libyan leader, and are still mourning his loss.

One recent Sunday afternoon, amid the yellow dust, sunshine and traffic fumes of Accra, I met a man who told me that Colonel Gaddafi was the messiah.

The man's name was Karim Mohamed, an ebullient 45-year-old tailor who had spent three years living and working in Libya before the fall of Gaddafi.

He was married with three children, and lived in a six-bedroom house that he had built himself using the money he had earned in Libya.

"In Libya, everybody was happy," he told me. "In America, there are people sleeping under bridges. In Libya, never. There was no discrimination, no problems, nothing. The work was good and so was the money. My life is all thanks to Gaddafi. He was the messiah of Africa."

Karim was far from unusual in this part of Ghana. As we talked, two other men sauntered over to join the conversation, and turned out to share his passion for the late Libyan dictator.

"Gaddafi was a nice guy," said Mustafa Abdel Momin, a cheerful, 35-year-old construction worker who had worked in Libya for seven years. "He never cheated anybody. He was perfect. The best."

"What was the point of killing him?" added Eliyas Yahya, the local imam, who had a round hat, a pointed beard and a very loud voice. "You kill someone to solve the problem and now the problem is worse. Why kill Gaddafi?"
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Gaddafi may have been a ruthless autocrat, but for years the relative affluence and stability of his rule was a godsend to migrants desperate for work. My new friends were among the tens of thousands of Africans who had used money earned in Libya to break themselves from the cycle of poverty at home.

As we talked in the shade of a small grocery shop, the evidence was all around us. This was a district in the north of the city known locally as the Libyan Quarter, home to a community of Ghanaians who had made their money under the Gaddafi regime.

The ramshackle houses that characterise many parts of Accra were nowhere to be seen here. Instead there were modern, spacious residences lining the orange dirt road, stretching into the distance.

Karim pointed out what I had thought was a municipal building on the corner. As it turned out, it was actually a mansion belonging to a man called Sheikh Swala, who had started several successful businesses using money he had earned in Libya. The house had 30 bedrooms. And without Gaddafi, it would never have been built.

Indeed, new construction was now a rarity in this neighbourhood. Here and there, some houses were even lying unfinished - when Gaddafi was deposed, the Libyan Quarter became frozen in time.

A diffident, 36-year-old man called Amadu joined our group. Nobody noticed him at first, as he seemed so withdrawn. But eventually, he told his story.

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Amadu had been among those unable to afford a proper Libyan visa. In 2010, he and several friends made the dangerous journey there overland, through the Sahara desert. They ran out of water and many of his group died, but he made it to Libya and found work as a tiler.

By the time war broke out in 2011, he had saved $3,500 (£2,300). He remembers standing on the docks in Tripoli when the first shots were fired, forcing him to run for cover. He was confined to his room for several days before he managed to escape back to Ghana, but he was unable to bring his hard-earned money with him. And that was how his dreams had died.

"There is nothing for the youth here in Ghana," said Mustafa. "After Gaddafi, we are full of crisis. Youth unemployment is sky-high and there is nothing for us to do. Either we end up living a life of crime because it is the only way to make money, or we try and make it to Europe."

The others agreed. "Now it is Europe, Europe, Europe, wherever on earth you go," said Eliyas loudly. "Some people are going to Brazil, if they can afford it. But for everyone else, it's Europe."

Before Gaddafi was ousted, he officially warned the European Union that if his regime were to collapse, as many as two million migrants would arrive on Europe's shores, creating chaos.

He may have been more a dictator than a messiah. But he seems to have been right about that.
 
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This thread is dedicated to @jamahir

thank you, sir, for this dedication to me... and a good find this is... this is the direction pdf must take, a international platform for sharing progressive ideas that can apply to any society at any point in time... it is ironic that in these times, despite development of communication systems like cell phone and internet, internationalism has reduced unlike what was present until the mid-90's... pdf has the potential to be a influencer, via its more thoughtful members.

while it is uncharacteristic for bbc to publish to publish such a sympathetic article about muammar gaddafi or about any other progressive leader, maybe they are being fashionably thoughtful about a different past, but this article when read by the british masses and those outside, will present a new perspective to the typical lying nato brainwashing lines like "oh, he was a cruel dictator" and "oh, he stole libyan oil wealth"... nato was counting on the dismissing attitude of the more frivolous masses who were more concerned with buying the latest cell phone and talking about 4k hidef tv sets.

"In Libya, everybody was happy," he told me. "In America, there are people sleeping under bridges. In Libya, never. There was no discrimination, no problems, nothing. The work was good and so was the money. My life is all thanks to Gaddafi. He was the messiah of Africa."

this reminds me of the talk by the north korean ambassador to britain[1] in which he speaks about how western governments demonize dprk and glorify "western democracy" while in reality dprk provides its citizens with a safe environment and the british establishment which encourages its citizens to be excited not about revolution but about football matches, cannot provide its citizens with basic safety... i have often read of how london, one of the western capitals of capitalism and "democracy", is a very unsafe place, and yet british establishment-supported media ( like "dailymail" ) would rather dedicate ten gossip articles about how a certain female celebrity has lost weight and is now gymming.

and the gentleman in the above quote is so right... how can usa government go about the world talking about "freedoms and democracy" when so many people in usa don't have the right to a house?? in much of my own india, whose establishment has always been sadly nato-oriented, dogs have guarantee to food and safety that millions of humans don't !! i may be naive in asking this but how can such things be allowed to happen??

when muammar gaddafi was leading the al-fatah revolution, he promised to the libyans that his own parents would live in a tent until each libyan didn't have access to a house, a house that he or she could occupy rent-free for as long as they wanted.

"Gaddafi was a nice guy," said Mustafa Abdel Momin, a cheerful, 35-year-old construction worker who had worked in Libya for seven years. "He never cheated anybody. He was perfect. The best."

this interview by a western journalist ( a australian )[2] shows the wisdom, kindness and internationalism of gaddafi even when the journalist was being hostile, mean and petty.

yes, gaddafi made a few mistakes but one must consider that he dedicated 40 years to bringing freedoms, rights and peace to not only libya but to all of the world.

he was the main contributor to the "third universal theory" of poltical, social and economic arrangement of societies, a true philosopher finding place in history.

for some years i have believed that if there was such a position like "president of the world", that would be gaddafi... i say this after calm thought.

it is not for nothing that since 2011 have sprang up "green committees" across the world preaching about the jamahiriya system of pre-2011 libya, wanting for jamahiriya in their own societies, wanting for a "world jamahiriya".

"What was the point of killing him?" added Eliyas Yahya, the local imam, who had a round hat, a pointed beard and a very loud voice. "You kill someone to solve the problem and now the problem is worse. Why kill Gaddafi?"

so true.

Karim pointed out what I had thought was a municipal building on the corner. As it turned out, it was actually a mansion belonging to a man called Sheikh Swala, who had started several successful businesses using money he had earned in Libya. The house had 30 bedrooms. And without Gaddafi, it would never have been built.

reminds me of a speech of gaddafi in early 2011 ( february i think ) in which he despaired about the nato-backed libyans involved in terrorism in libya, saying that such people wouldn't be happy even with spacious ten-room houses.

He may have been more a dictator than a messiah. But he seems to have been right about that.

below is one of the african works of this dictator[3]...
In fact, there actually was someone working on an African broadcasting network. Someone who already connected the entire African continent by radio, television and telephone. In the early 90s, this person funded the establishment of the Regional African Satellite Communication Organization, which eventually provided Africa with its first own communications satellite on December 26, 2007. A second African satellite was launched in July 2010 and advanced plans for a continental broadcasting network were made. The person who funded at least 70% of this revolutionary project was the revolutionary leader of the Libyan Jamahiriya, Muammar Gaddafi.

Gaddafi thus angered the Western bankers, since Africa no longer would pay the annual $500 million fee to Europe for the use of its satellites, and of course no "self-respecting" banker was willing to fund a project that frees people from their claws. And this was not the only way in which Gaddafi angered the West to the point that he had to be eliminated from their agenda. The leader of the Libyan Al-Fateh Revolution worked hard and came close to embody the famous 1865 quote by American economist Adam Smith, saying: "The economy of any country which relies on the slavery of blacks is destined to descend into hell the day those countries awaken."

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reference...

[1] comparison of england with north korea - ambassador

[2] The Gaddafi Interview - YouTube

[3] Mandela and Gaddafi: the myth of the Saint and the Mad Dog - PravdaReport

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@jamahir One thing that one can not deny about the good Colonel is that the man was a visionary, what he said throughout his life pretty much came true, it was like he had a time horizon of decades whilst most politicians have a time horizon till the next election.kudos
 
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He was a leader who brought great wealth and prosperity to his people now his country rich in resources is in shambles and is turning into Somalia

speaking of somalia, in my understanding, it saw progress when the president siad barre adopted socialism to unite and develop somalia from a tribally divided society to a modern state... but usa government did yet another regime-change there, stunting its progress but hiding the situation via the hollywood propaganda film "black hawk down".

we must ask our new member, @Somali-Turk , to elaborate on a unbiased political history of somalia going back to its independence from britain in 1969.

country was bombed by France and militants took over

yes, by france military and remainder of 40+ nato militaries by air, sea, land... and the militants ( terrorists really ), thousands of them, were acting from early 2011 under the "february 17" banner.

approximately 150,000+ libyans killed by the end of 2012, all done under the cover of the "right to protect" sham project of obomba, cameron and sarkozy, and aided by saudia, the qatari king, erdogan and uae... yeah, "right to protect".[1] :lol:

and leader was killed by his own country men.

oh, only a few of the so-called rebels were libyan... remainder came from all over - from indonesia to belgium to usa, and most of them went to syria taking their experience with them to join the syrian "rebels".

a terrorist act by France .

certainly, it a war crime and a genocide... just like how bush jr and blair are now declared war criminals, the others include the sarkozy and the current french president, hollande.

@jamahir One thing that one can not deny about the good Colonel is that the man was a visionary, what he said throughout his life pretty much came true, it was like he had a time horizon of decades whilst most politicians have a time horizon till the next election.kudos

absolutely, which is why he contributed to creating a political system where there is no career politician but rather every person in society must contribute politically in a direct-democracy system[2]... direct-democracy and self-governance removes the need for having the western-style fake-democracy system of five-year elections, the ballot and the complicated hierarchy of political appointees.

and since in libya, it was the people who ruled themselves, the leaders there had the time to dedicate to world issues, for example the various solutions provided by gaddafi including in his september 2009 speech in the uno general assembly.

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reference...

[1] :: www.uruknet.info :: informazione dal medio oriente :: information from middle east :: [vs-1]

[2] Libya: From Africa’s Wealthiest Democracy to US-NATO Terror Haven
 
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He was a leader who brought great wealth and prosperity to his people now his country rich in resources is in shambles and is turning into Somalia
he spread his nation's vast resource wealth around the populace, a good leader, certainly not the demon that the west made him out to be.

but what comrade @jamahir fails to see is that not every nation has that kind of natural resource wealth to spread around, the Libyan socialism model is irreplicable for most of the world.

good guy though, a nice dictator and a victim of wahhabo-american evil geopolitics..
 
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he spread his nation's vast resource wealth around the populace, a good leader, certainly not the demon that the west made him out to be.

but what comrade @jamahir fails to see is that not every nation has that kind of natural resource wealth to spread around, the Libyan socialism model is irreplicable for most of the world.

good guy though, a nice dictator and a victim of wahhabo-american evil geopolitics..

hmm, i see your point and before i reply i must depart for a late hot shower. :D will be back in half hour.
 
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we must ask our new member, @@Somali-Turk , to elaborate on a unbiased political history of somalia going back to its independence from britain in 1969.


Thank you.

As you know,Somalia is a midsized country strategically located on the east african coast enjoying the largest coast in the african continent 3,000KM both in red sea and indian ocean.
Somalia

somalis indepedence till Mohamed siad barre,it is political history is not much interesting because it shared the same fate with its african counterparts,corruption,lack of infrastracture and education.
However,when Siad barre took over the country,he envisioned this idea of greater somalia and nationalized everything.
Ethiopia ,a country larger than its counterpart somalia which itself has its own internal politics much worse than somalia always saw the potential regional power of somalia ,ethiopia wants and always wanted an access to the indian ocean,siad saw the growing power of ethiopia backed by the west,he run to the ex-USSR (now russia) for help,they delivered on time,russian military experts were in the ground,heavy military equipment were imported,many students went to russia to study aviation and military engineering,USSR renovated and upgraded a major port in somalia called berbera where they put their navy base there,somalia grew in influence in the region but 1977 nationalist sentiments were growing in a small region occupied by ethiopia(by the way ,the region is empty desert,it doesnt deserve to be fought over,even right now,there are zero ethiopian troops on this region,all forces are local somali because the ethiopian ruling elite dont have the resource or budget they are busy in eritria or the more richer parts of somalia)
somali went to full scare war in 1977,suddenly USSR when they saw that somalis were successfully regaining more lands and major clan based uprisings erupted all over ethiopia,they started backstabbing the somalis-
RUSSIAN,CUBAN,YEMAN and many pro-russian gov started aerial bombings of somali airforce.
somali at that time,didnt have many friends so they run to the USA for help,because we were at worst position at that time,military aid and financial help came with strings atttached.somalia withdrew from ethiopia but the spill was disaster.
The war generals both in ethiopia and Somalia who were disullisioned with the war started an guerella warfare.
it saw the regime in ethiopia falling down and the somalia regime at that time also fall down but USA came to help ethiopia(christian as well as ethiopia help an agent against sudan and egypt influence in the region).
more to come.
 
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He was a leader who brought great wealth and prosperity to his people now his country rich in resources is in shambles and is turning into Somalia
He had huge oil reserves and tiny population. He could create another Dubai, but preferred to make revolutions all over.

@jamahir One thing that one can not deny about the good Colonel is that the man was a visionary, what he said throughout his life pretty much came true, it was like he had a time horizon of decades whilst most politicians have a time horizon till the next election.kudos
Such a great visionary that ended in a slam with angry rebels.
 
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He had huge oil reserves and tiny population. He could create another Dubai, but preferred to make revolutions all over.


Such a great visionary that ended in a slam with angry rebels.
He actually predicted the so called Arab spring a good few years before at some Arab summit, that the leaders would be dragged from their palaces.

@jamahir What actually happened to his articulate spokesman, was he captured by those so called democratic freedom fighters who in reality were mindless blood thirsty ghouls or did he manage too flee.
Anyway the day the Colonel suggested that the world ought too trade oil not in US dollars but in gold he pretty much signed his own death warrant. The yanks will never ever allow this as their own economy/banking sector would and will be devastated.
 
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.Such a great visionary that ended in a slam with angry rebels.[/QUOTE]
When will the jewish nation stop confiscating arab lands?
 
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@jamahir What actually happened to his articulate spokesman, was he captured by those so called democratic freedom fighters who in reality were mindless blood thirsty ghouls or did he manage too flee.

thank you for reminding us of the brave, articulate and intelligent moussa ibrahim... he managed to flee but i don't know where he is physically... in november 2011 the british journalist, morris herman, had interviewed a green soldier who had taken refuge in tunisia and was going into libya regularly to act against the nato-installed ikhwaan/qaeda occupation-government forces... this soldier had said that moussa ibrahim is "in safe hands" though he wouldn't say where... the interview is here[1].

however, on the 12th of january this year, moussa ibrahim appeared via video conference in the british parliament's "committee room 15"... this was a conference[2] arranged by the progressive movement, "tricontinental", whose britain co-ordinator is the wonderful and young sukant chandan who in 2011 was in libya and has as one of his friends, the beautiful and brave british journalist lizzie phelan who in 2011 was also in libya and is now with rt... the "tricontinental" was also the one to arrange a lecture by the dprk ambassador to britain a while back... i have a thread of that lecture[3].

of the conference i don't know what moussa ibrahim spoke because strangely i haven't watched the vid yet but since you have reminded i will watch later in the day... the vid is here[4].

for those readers who are not aware of moussa ibrahim, he was actually in britain before the war and came back to serve the libyan jamahiriya... he could have gone back to britain during this massive war but chose not to... some of his relatives, including his brother i think, were killed during the war against the nato-supported terrorists... as introduction to his skill at being a spokesman, this[5] is his famous interview in 2011 by stephen sackur of the bbc program "hardtalk"... note how sackur tries to bully mr. ibrahim and ultimately gives him a direct death threat... mr. ibrahim is calm throughout, explaining with patience the position of the jamahiriya and the truths and the lies and is not intimidated.

there are many vids on youtube of this wonderful man continuing to be the agreed spokesman for the jamahiriya system-in-exile.

Anyway the day the Colonel suggested that the world ought too trade oil not in US dollars but in gold he pretty much signed his own death warrant. The yanks will never ever allow this as their own economy/banking sector would and will be devastated.

true... the "gold dinar" was the last straw... the colonel had to go.

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reference...

[1] Mousa Ibrahim is Very Safe - Green Soldier in Tunisia - YouTube

[2] SONS OF MALCOLM: LIBYA's MOUSSA IBRAHIM TO SPEAK IN BRITISH PARLIAMENT MEETING ROOM ON LIBYA, ORGANISED BY THE TRICONTINENTAL

[3] comparison of england with north korea - ambassador

[4] Dr Moussa Ibrahim's first public address since Nato's War on Libya in 2011 - YouTube

[5] Hardtalk with Moussa Ibrahim Part 1.wmv - YouTube ( part 1 )
Hardtalk with Moussa Ibrahim Part 2.wmv - YouTube ( part 2 )
 
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