Mourning the death of the 'messiah of Africa'

[jamahir]

Arab league shows is dead without him.

that is true.

since 2011, "arab league" has been just another agency of nato... same case with "african union"... cowards !!

 

[Madali]

thank you, sir, for this dedication to me... and a good find this is... this is the direction pdf must take, a international platform for sharing progressive ideas that can apply to any society at any point in time... it is ironic that in these times, despite development of communication systems like cell phone and internet, internationalism has reduced unlike what was present until the mid-90's... pdf has the potential to be a influencer, via its more thoughtful members.

I agree. It would be good if members stopped being mouthpieces for their government.

while it is uncharacteristic for bbc to publish to publish such a sympathetic article about muammar gaddafi or about any other progressive leader, maybe they are being fashionably thoughtful about a different past, but this article when read by the british masses and those outside, will present a new perspective to the typical lying nato brainwashing lines like "oh, he was a cruel dictator" and "oh, he stole libyan oil wealth"... nato was counting on the dismissing attitude of the more frivolous masses who were more concerned with buying the latest cell phone and talking about 4k hidef tv sets.

Don't be surprised by the article. The west is comfortable with articles that oppose the status quo, as long as it as no real effect. Gadaffi is now dead, Libya is destroyed, they can write as many articles as they want, it doesn't change anything anymore in Libya now. This always happens. The run up to Iraq war, all articles were pro-war. Once the war destroyed the country, journalists started to become anti-war. American journalists sometimes now write about how CIA supported the Shah in Iran to topple Mossadeq who nationalized the oil. But they didn't write it BACK THEN.

This is an illusion of freedom of speech. By writing things that are against the status quo, these news sources give the perception of being unbiased, which makes the next article about the next bad guy and the next necessary war easier for the readers to accept. The west is king in marketing & propaganda. The rest of us are amateurs compared to them.

this reminds me of the talk by the north korean ambassador to britain[1] in which he speaks about how western governments demonize dprk and glorify "western democracy" while in reality dprk provides its citizens with a safe environment and the british establishment which encourages its citizens to be excited not about revolution but about football matches, cannot provide its citizens with basic safety...

I recently read a book called "A Capitalist in North Korea: My Seven Years in the Hermit Kingdom". It is not a well-written book (the author is a businessman, not a writer), but it gives a very interesting look into the real, day-to-day life of North Korea.

The author's tumbler page has some pictures and explanations about the real life in North Korea where the west never talks about
Life, ventures and adventures in North Korea

 

[500]

I agree. It would be good if members stopped being mouthpieces for their government.



Don't be surprised by the article. The west is comfortable with articles that oppose the status quo, as long as it as no real effect. Gadaffi is now dead, Libya is destroyed, they can write as many articles as they want, it doesn't change anything anymore in Libya now. This always happens. The run up to Iraq war, all articles were pro-war. Once the war destroyed the country, journalists started to become anti-war. American journalists sometimes now write about how CIA supported the Shah in Iran to topple Mossadeq who nationalized the oil. But they didn't write it BACK THEN.

This is an illusion of freedom of speech. By writing things that are against the status quo, these news sources give the perception of being unbiased, which makes the next article about the next bad guy and the next necessary war easier for the readers to accept. The west is king in marketing & propaganda. The rest of us are amateurs compared to them.



I recently read a book called "A Capitalist in North Korea: My Seven Years in the Hermit Kingdom". It is not a well-written book (the author is a businessman, not a writer), but it gives a very interesting look into the real, day-to-day life of North Korea.

The author's tumbler page has some pictures and explanations about the real life in North Korea where the west never talks about
Life, ventures and adventures in North Korea

Nasty capitalist satellites are also demonizing North Korea:

 

[Madali]

Nasty capitalist satellites are also demonizing North Korea:

Real life isn't as simple as a satellite picture. A society might fail when it comes to be able to provide certain facilities, but it might succeed at other things. You see everything like that satellite, it's either black or white.

And look at kWh per Capita.
Electric power consumption (kWh per capita) | Data | Table

While N. Korea is far lower than S. Korea, there are still many countries lower than N. Korea. It's ahead of countries like Sri Lanka and Pakistan, while only slightly behind countries like Indonesia & Philippines.

And we obviously can't claim that kWh is a scientific show of happiness. Bahrain's usage is 66% higher than USA. Should we say that Bahrain is 66% better than USA? Saudi Arabia is 16% higher in its kWh per Capita than your country, does that mean you rather be living in Saudi Arabia?

 

[django]

thank you, sir, for this dedication to me... and a good find this is... this is the direction pdf must take, a international platform for sharing progressive ideas that can apply to any society at any point in time... it is ironic that in these times, despite development of communication systems like cell phone and internet, internationalism has reduced unlike what was present until the mid-90's... pdf has the potential to be a influencer, via its more thoughtful members.

while it is uncharacteristic for bbc to publish to publish such a sympathetic article about muammar gaddafi or about any other progressive leader, maybe they are being fashionably thoughtful about a different past, but this article when read by the british masses and those outside, will present a new perspective to the typical lying nato brainwashing lines like "oh, he was a cruel dictator" and "oh, he stole libyan oil wealth"... nato was counting on the dismissing attitude of the more frivolous masses who were more concerned with buying the latest cell phone and talking about 4k hidef tv sets.



this reminds me of the talk by the north korean ambassador to britain[1] in which he speaks about how western governments demonize dprk and glorify "western democracy" while in reality dprk provides its citizens with a safe environment and the british establishment which encourages its citizens to be excited not about revolution but about football matches, cannot provide its citizens with basic safety... i have often read of how london, one of the western capitals of capitalism and "democracy", is a very unsafe place, and yet british establishment-supported media ( like "dailymail" ) would rather dedicate ten gossip articles about how a certain female celebrity has lost weight and is now gymming.

and the gentleman in the above quote is so right... how can usa government go about the world talking about "freedoms and democracy" when so many people in usa don't have the right to a house?? in much of my own india, whose establishment has always been sadly nato-oriented, dogs have guarantee to food and safety that millions of humans don't !! i may be naive in asking this but how can such things be allowed to happen??

when muammar gaddafi was leading the al-fatah revolution, he promised to the libyans that his own parents would live in a tent until each libyan didn't have access to a house, a house that he or she could occupy rent-free for as long as they wanted.



this interview by a western journalist ( a australian )[2] shows the wisdom, kindness and internationalism of gaddafi even when the journalist was being hostile, mean and petty.

yes, gaddafi made a few mistakes but one must consider that he dedicated 40 years to bringing freedoms, rights and peace to not only libya but to all of the world.

he was the main contributor to the "third universal theory" of poltical, social and economic arrangement of societies, a true philosopher finding place in history.

for some years i have believed that if there was such a position like "president of the world", that would be gaddafi... i say this after calm thought.

it is not for nothing that since 2011 have sprang up "green committees" across the world preaching about the jamahiriya system of pre-2011 libya, wanting for jamahiriya in their own societies, wanting for a "world jamahiriya".



so true.



reminds me of a speech of gaddafi in early 2011 ( february i think ) in which he despaired about the nato-backed libyans involved in terrorism in libya, saying that such people wouldn't be happy even with spacious ten-room houses.



below is one of the african works of this dictator[3]...


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reference...

[1] comparison of england with north korea - ambassador

[2] The Gaddafi Interview - YouTube

[3] Mandela and Gaddafi: the myth of the Saint and the Mad Dog - PravdaReport

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@Hello It's me - a introduction for you into what i was speaking about yesterday.

I think if and when events start to change for the better, Ibrahim would be an ideal candidate to lead his nation.kudos

 

[Schutz]

Had to stop reading when he said everyone was happy and there was no discrimination, your a black man who was basically used as cheap labour in a racist country you fool.

 

[500]

Real life isn't as simple as a satellite picture. A society might fail when it comes to be able to provide certain facilities, but it might succeed at other things. You see everything like that satellite, it's either black or white.

Life without electricity sucks. Thats very simple. As u can see, only few communist bureaucrats in capital have electricity, all the rest of the population is without electricity like in Middle Ages. That sucks, and u defend that because they happen to be ur allies who like u shove posters of "Dear Leader" everywhere.

And look at kWh per Capita.
Electric power consumption (kWh per capita) | Data | Table

While N. Korea is far lower than S. Korea, there are still many countries lower than N. Korea. It's ahead of countries like Sri Lanka and Pakistan, while only slightly behind countries like Indonesia & Philippines.

And we obviously can't claim that kWh is a scientific show of happiness. Bahrain's usage is 66% higher than USA. Should we say that Bahrain is 66% better than USA? Saudi Arabia is 16% higher in its kWh per Capita than your country, does that mean you rather be living in Saudi Arabia?

I talked about electricity supplies for the population. Here the night pic of Pakistan/India/Bangladesh:

As u can see, all three countries are well illuminated along the population centers despite all three are very poor. Here Pakistan population concentration:

Perfect match with the illumination. Apparently all electricity in North Korea goes to some military factories, while population is illuminated by Kim Jong Ill posters.

 

[jammersat]

trust what 500 says , he's been to "North Korea" , if you catch my drift

 

[xenon54 out]

I agree. It would be good if members stopped being mouthpieces for their government.



Don't be surprised by the article. The west is comfortable with articles that oppose the status quo, as long as it as no real effect. Gadaffi is now dead, Libya is destroyed, they can write as many articles as they want, it doesn't change anything anymore in Libya now. This always happens. The run up to Iraq war, all articles were pro-war. Once the war destroyed the country, journalists started to become anti-war. American journalists sometimes now write about how CIA supported the Shah in Iran to topple Mossadeq who nationalized the oil. But they didn't write it BACK THEN.

This is an illusion of freedom of speech. By writing things that are against the status quo, these news sources give the perception of being unbiased, which makes the next article about the next bad guy and the next necessary war easier for the readers to accept. The west is king in marketing & propaganda. The rest of us are amateurs compared to them.



I recently read a book called "A Capitalist in North Korea: My Seven Years in the Hermit Kingdom". It is not a well-written book (the author is a businessman, not a writer), but it gives a very interesting look into the real, day-to-day life of North Korea.

The author's tumbler page has some pictures and explanations about the real life in North Korea where the west never talks about
Life, ventures and adventures in North Korea

I recommend you this video, very good to have an idea whats going on in there, and thats only the parts that the goverment allows you to see, imagine the rest.

 

[jamahir]

sorry for the late replies.

I agree. It would be good if members stopped being mouthpieces for their government.

absolutely... we must be willing to criticize our governments and establishment if they are wrong, the criteria of judgement being common sense and general human understanding.

if i must speak about india, this is the most nationalist society in the world and therefore many of its people are unwilling everyday to accept that india has great many problems at political, social and economic levels, and since they do not accept existence of problems, not much is changed, the country has not gone much beyond the state that existed before the country's founding in 1947.

we all must develop internationalist/transnationalist thought and be concerned about humans anywhere and be willing to accept/adopt political advances from anywhere... internationalism greatly existed until the late 80's but sadly and especially the modern conveniences of communication like cell phones have somehow made so many people more isolationist and nationalist.

Don't be surprised by the article. The west is comfortable with articles that oppose the status quo, as long as it as no real effect. Gadaffi is now dead, Libya is destroyed, they can write as many articles as they want, it doesn't change anything anymore in Libya now. This always happens. The run up to Iraq war, all articles were pro-war. Once the war destroyed the country, journalists started to become anti-war. American journalists sometimes now write about how CIA supported the Shah in Iran to topple Mossadeq who nationalized the oil. But they didn't write it BACK THEN.

This is an illusion of freedom of speech. By writing things that are against the status quo, these news sources give the perception of being unbiased, which makes the next article about the next bad guy and the next necessary war easier for the readers to accept. The west is king in marketing & propaganda. The rest of us are amateurs compared to them.

wisely put.

and your text reminds me of the term "controlled opposition"... this concept is so much used by the western governments, especially usa government... for example, the originally a people's movement, "occupy wall street", is subverted by the involvement of the cia-connected "avaaz foundation", and entire meaning of "socialism" is attempted to be changed by article upon article declaring "obama is socialist"... usa establishment tries to control the opposition by subverting it or defaming it.

I recently read a book called "A Capitalist in North Korea: My Seven Years in the Hermit Kingdom". It is not a well-written book (the author is a businessman, not a writer), but it gives a very interesting look into the real, day-to-day life of North Korea.

The author's tumbler page has some pictures and explanations about the real life in North Korea where the west never talks about
Life, ventures and adventures in North Korea

thanks for the info... it would indeed be interesting to read the account that comes from a non-ideological background.

this reminds me of the article "understanding north korea"[1] by a american young chap, nile bowie, who traveled to dprk in 2011... he gives a fairly neutral account of dprk... i think he presently contributes to rt.

Editor’s note by Nile Bowie: After years of fascination, I had the opportunity to spend eight days in North Korea in September 2011. At the moment, it is only possible to visit North Korea through a highly organized government-sanctioned tour. Perhaps the most incredible thing about my time there was the genuine authenticity of the emotions displayed in ordinary people towards their leaders, who are viewed with the utmost piety. The degree to which the Korean people are motivated and inspired by the State’s official media and mythology is unparalleled in contrast to any other country. I wrote this article in an attempt to define their worldview as I have come to understand it, because it remains one of the world’s least understood (and most fascinating) societies.

Nile Bowie
NileBowie.blogspot.com
December 28, 2011

also i found this article[2] with the same title from "global research" about dprk, though this article is from 2006.

I talked about electricity supplies for the population. Here the night pic of Pakistan/India/Bangladesh:

you cannot be serious in comparing three deprived south asian countries with a socialist society where the state provides citizens with many facilities, including free housing... there are 70+ million homeless people in india, despite the shiny lights seen from space.

I think if and when events start to change for the better, Ibrahim would be an ideal candidate to lead his nation.kudos

yes, i had read maybe in 2013 or 2014 that the tribe leaders in libya ( or maybe the green resistance ) accept him as their leader for any re-formation of jamahiriya system there... this is also because the last jamahiriya-era "general secretary of the general people's congress" ( the prime minister equivalent ), baghdadi mahmoudi, is presently under imprisonment[3] with the occupation government there... and i agree with you that ibrahim would be the ideal candidate for this position, with ayesha gaddafi maybe as a inspirational guide.

and in reference to our earlier talk about the location of moussa ibrahim, found this[4] article dated to october 2014...

Ibrahim, reached over Facebook, denied that he had been thrown out of Egypt, saying that he had left the country because of work commitments in Serbia.

A number of high-profile Gaddafi officials, some of whom are wanted in Libya, have lived openly in Cairo since 2011.

so at present he may be in egypt or maybe not.

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[1] Land Destroyer: Understanding North Korea

[2] Understanding North Korea | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

[3] Baghdadi Mahmoudi defence team says it will sue senior Tunisian officials

[4] Former Gaddafi spokesman expelled from Egypt -state newspaper| Reuters

 

[jamahir]

Had to stop reading when he said everyone was happy and there was no discrimination, your a black man who was basically used as cheap labour in a racist country you fool.

 

[Adecypher]

Enjoyed this video:I don't agree with the Title though...should be something along the lines of: Top 10 Gaddafi bitter facts to the west. Also, if you see closely at number 9 when he is addressing the leaders from entire arab world with true facts and figures...all the people are laughing at him....No doubt the responsibility of the dismal state of the Muslims world lays on Muslims themselves...

 

[django]

sorry for the late replies.



absolutely... we must be willing to criticize our governments and establishment if they are wrong, the criteria of judgement being common sense and general human understanding.

if i must speak about india, this is the most nationalist society in the world and therefore many of its people are unwilling everyday to accept that india has great many problems at political, social and economic levels, and since they do not accept existence of problems, not much is changed, the country has not gone much beyond the state that existed before the country's founding in 1947.

we all must develop internationalist/transnationalist thought and be concerned about humans anywhere and be willing to accept/adopt political advances from anywhere... internationalism greatly existed until the late 80's but sadly and especially the modern conveniences of communication like cell phones have somehow made so many people more isolationist and nationalist.



wisely put.

and your text reminds me of the term "controlled opposition"... this concept is so much used by the western governments, especially usa government... for example, the originally a people's movement, "occupy wall street", is subverted by the involvement of the cia-connected "avaaz foundation", and entire meaning of "socialism" is attempted to be changed by article upon article declaring "obama is socialist"... usa establishment tries to control the opposition by subverting it or defaming it.



thanks for the info... it would indeed be interesting to read the account that comes from a non-ideological background.

this reminds me of the article "understanding north korea"[1] by a american young chap, nile bowie, who traveled to dprk in 2011... he gives a fairly neutral account of dprk... i think he presently contributes to rt.



also i found this article[2] with the same title from "global research" about dprk, though this article is from 2006.



you cannot be serious in comparing three deprived south asian countries with a socialist society where the state provides citizens with many facilities, including free housing... there are 70+ million homeless people in india, despite the shiny lights seen from space.



yes, i had read maybe in 2013 or 2014 that the tribe leaders in libya ( or maybe the green resistance ) accept him as their leader for any re-formation of jamahiriya system there... this is also because the last jamahiriya-era "general secretary of the general people's congress" ( the prime minister equivalent ), baghdadi mahmoudi, is presently under imprisonment[3] with the occupation government there... and i agree with you that ibrahim would be the ideal candidate for this position, with ayesha gaddafi maybe as a inspirational guide.

and in reference to our earlier talk about the location of moussa ibrahim, found this[4] article dated to october 2014...


so at present he may be in egypt or maybe not.

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[1] Land Destroyer: Understanding North Korea

[2] Understanding North Korea | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

[3] Baghdadi Mahmoudi defence team says it will sue senior Tunisian officials

[4] Former Gaddafi spokesman expelled from Egypt -state newspaper| Reuters

Lets hope he is safe and secure.kudos

 

[jamahir]

Enjoyed this video:I don't agree with the Title though...should be something along the lines of: Top 10 Gaddafi bitter facts to the west.

i agree.

Also, if you see closely at number 9 when he is addressing the leaders from entire arab world with true facts and figures...all the people are laughing at him.

i saw that part and its full version in 2011 ( or maybe early 2012 )... there is even bashar al-assad and his foreign minister, walid muallem, laughing at that point, but it is said that they were more laughing in sympathy with what gaddafi was saying... who knows??

but what he said turned out to be true, including the last part of that speech about "arab league" members plotting against each other.

and there was the part about advising the gulfi states and other "arab league" members to accept iran rather than fight.

No doubt the responsibility of the dismal state of the Muslims world lays on Muslims themselves...

so true.