More India troops in disputed territory

[Speeder]

hey , Mr hong kong

yeah , this computer is definetely made in china except for a small part ...
the software - which is made in bangalore or in silicon valley (USA)

these parts can be made by any unskilled worker.

but the software , can only be made by intelligent people which you ofcourse are apparently not .

just go , read the forum rules and stop trolling.

ironical isn't it ?? a chinese guy trying to be racist

lol

PC software is one of the most basic items in programming. Get a grip, you computer illiterate. Take a look at banglore at youtube, one can't help laughing what sort of junk that backwater crap hole can "produce". A CNN lady reporter nearly got hit twice by stoneage "motobike" in the main "sqaure" of the "city". Indians even take second grade brits as their masters, let lone Chinese.

 

[Jako]

Ah....speeder you dont follow world politics do you?? And the pc thing.....we use a pc in which,the pentium chip is invented by an indian,the usb is invented by an indian and many more......no one denying most are manufactured in china,but what is china's contribution to it??

 

[Speeder]

India vs China on Military Strength - Conventional and Nuclear
Dmitri June 5th, 2007

As two rising Asian powers, India and China are often predicted by analysts to be the future global superpowers based on their economic boom with double digit GDP growths and their rising politico-social influence in the third world since the last few years. In the myriad economic and political analyses, often overlooked is the military comparison of these two countries. It is a nation’s military strength which ensures its sovereignty and paves the way for economic stability and prosperity. A comparative analysis is therefore just, to see how India and China fare in military strengths against each other and in the global scene.

China’s military spending in 2006 is about $ 80 billion as estimated by the United States DoD (Department of Defense) reports while the official Chinese CPC government quote is a $30 billion military expenditure. The actual Chinese military capabilities and budget are shrouded in deep secrecy to prevent foreign countries having an idea of its military power…and perhaps to generate a lot of hype. Even if we were to go by the conservative official Chinese claims of $ 30 billion, it would put China second only to USA in global military spending - a very ambitious one at that. On the other side, India’s official military spending is quoted as $22 billion for 2006 by the Ministry of Finance (India) Budget (2006-2007) last April. India however, does not keep a level of secrecy as cloaked as China does, primarily because of its democratic government system and public accountability. By its official 2006 military budget figures, India stands at 9th position in global military spending.

In 2006 India’s active military personell numbered over 1,325,000 while China’s was significantly higher at 2,255,000. In the air defence area, China’s PLA (People’s Liberation Army) Air Force has 9,218 aircrafts of which about 2300 are combat aircrafts, operating from its 489+ air bases. The Indian Air Force has 3382 aircrafts which includes 1335 combat aircrafts operating from 334+ land bases and its sole aircraft carrier INS Viraat. The best combat aircrafts in China’s PLAAF are Russian Su-30 MK and indigenously built, 4th generation J-10 fighters. Indian Air Force, on the other hand has French built Dassault Mirage 2000s and Russian Su-30 MKI as the best aircrafts in its combat fleet (no indigenous fighters or aircrafts have been built by India so far). Indian Navy is the world’s eighth largest navy with a with a fleet of 145 vessels consisting of missile-capable warships, advanced submarines, the latest naval aircrafts and an aircraft carrier in its inventory. It is experienced both in combat and rescue operations during wartime and peace as seen from its wars with Pakistan in 1971, the December 2004 Tsunami, etc. On the other hand, China’s PLA Navy with its 284 fleet is quantitatively larger but primitive in actual experience and training as compared to the Indian Navy. China has no aircraft carriers in its naval fleet at present but is slated to build and induct an aircraft carrier by 2010.


In strategic nuclear defence and delivery systems China’s PLA is miles ahead of India’s nuclear forces. China’s nuclear arsenal which started stockpiling in 1964, contains more than 210 nuclear warheads. The most powerful ones among China’s nuclear arsenal have yields of over 4 megatons. In comparison, India’s strategic nuclear force which started stockpiling after the 1998 Shakti tests, has about 50-70 warheads at present. The most powerful among India’s nuclear warheads has an yield of 0.05 megatons which is minuscule, compared to China. India’s nuclear delivery system consists of bombers, supersonic cruise missiles and medium range ballistics missiles. Agni 2, India’s longest range, deployed ballistic missile is capable of a range of 2500 km, carrying a single nuclear warhead of 1000 kg. In stark contrast, China’s nuclear delivery system is far more advanced than India’s, with multi-warhead MIRV capable ICBMs like DF-5A [12000+ km] and DF-4 [7500+ km]. It also possesses submarine launched SLBMs like JL-1 [4500+ km] and strategic fighter bombers like Su-27 Flanker in its nuclear weapons delivery arsenal.


In economics we learn that incentives drive decision making both by a nation and by an individual. In case of India, a democracy with no serious military adversary, its militarisation drive is often overshadowed by internal militancy issues and political struggles. In case of a communist China, it has a powerful military adversary in USA; their conflicts over Taiwan issue giving China a strong incentive to beef up its military defence to counter the United States. The situation is much similar to that of USSR vs USA Cold War, albeit on a smaller scale. The end result is China walking far ahead of India in military power with overpowering superiority if both conventional and nuclear forces are taken into account. However for the next couple of years, India and Japan will continue to boast of the best and most capable conventional military forces in Asia…

More Information and Sources -
The Military Balance - International Institute for Strategic Studies
Modernizing China’s Military book by David Shambaugh
Global Security.org _ Reliable Security Information


China's dragon economy is about 4 times larger than india's, even using offical exchange rate by hugely undervalued Chinese Yuan. And the gap keeps widening evey day as we speak!

 

[Speeder]

Ah....speeder you dont follow world politics do you?? And the pc thing.....we use a pc in which,the pentium chip is invented by an indian,the usb is invented by an indian and many more......no one denying most are manufactured in china,but what is china's contribution to it??

No time for your BS. This is a China defence thread of Pakistan defence forum. Instead of putting on an sub-standard comedian show here by typing on the floor of a dirt-cheap call center, why don't you go educate yourself like getting a decent degree in order to chest-thumping for 10 seconds more in a software forum, before getting slaughtered easily by any kid there with a brush of a pen? Bye bye, curry boy

 

[Jako]

My dear old kiddo ran out of bullshit here......plz check who started pouring bs here,before typing ,little man......keep your attitude and arrogance to yourself.....you worthless trash.....i tried hard not to insult you,but you forced me to,kiddo......

 

[Communist]

My dear old kiddo ran out of bullshit here......plz check who started pouring bs here,before typing ,little man......keep your attitude and arrogance to yourself.....you worthless trash.....i tried hard not to insult you,but you forced me to,kiddo......

Jako, Speeder, you both, please do not get the attention of the mods. I request both of you please stop insulting each other. Please do not make personal attacks. And please keep your temper under control.

Speeder, Jako is not like other Indian members. Please notice the differences. All are not the same.

Well, stick to the topic now.

 

[Communist]

 

[Communist]

The Tawang valley, the name is not an Indian name, is under Indian occupation right now. The inhabitants of the entire NEFA speak Chinese and look Chinese. Whether Indian military going to wipe out those poor helpless natives by using chemical weapons is a matter of great debate. Though there is no proof of building a non-stop chemical poison producing factory at this moment, but sources say that the population is decreasing mysteriously.

 

[Jako]

Hahah...,sorry commy i cd'nt help myself.....it is not proven if india even has one of those left,and you talk of utilising them...!!!.....links wd be apprecitated....btw,you must know that ap's population are in very much favour of being part of an indian territory,as they are right now.....

 

[Communist]

Indian soldiers demining an area for construction. Is it a chemical weapons' producing site? Sources say highly secretive factories are constructed across the region.



What the ....!!! The photo is not displayed!!!

Anyway, Jako... bhadro bhashay kotha bolo... and please watch the CNN-IBN video.

The photo below shows Indian President at a factory site near the Sino-Tibetan border with Sikh military personnel.

 

[Jako]

Hmm....ami ki kothao abhadro-ta korechi amar post-te??...if yes,then please notify me,i'll apologise......btw,i was wanting a link for the diminishing population in ap,as you mentioned...thnx

 

[BanglaBhoot]

EDITORIAL CARRIED BY GLOBAL TIMES ON JUNE 11,2009

INDIA'S UNWISE MILITARY MOVES

In the last few days, India has dispatched roughly 60,000 troops to its border with China, the scene of enduring territorial disputes between the two countries.

J.J. Singh, the Indian governor of the controversial area, said the move was intended to "meet future security challenges" from China. Meanwhile, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh claimed, despite cooperative India-China relations, his government would make no concessions to China on territorial disputes.

The tough posture Singh's new government has taken may win some applause among India's domestic nationalists. But it is dangerous if it is based on a false anticipation that China will cave in.

India has long held contradictory views on China. Another big Asian country, India is frustrated that China's rise has captured much of the world's attention. Proud of its "advanced political system," India feels superior to China. However, it faces a disappointing domestic situation which is unstable compared with China's.

India likes to brag about its sustainable development, but worries that it is being left behind by China. China is seen in India as both a potential threat and a competitor to surpass.

But India can't actually compete with China in a number of areas, like international influence, overall national power and economic scale. India apparently has not yet realized this.

Indian politicians these days seem to think their country would be doing China a huge favor simply by not joining the "ring around China" established by the US and Japan. India's growing power would have a significant impact on the balance of this equation, which has led India to think that fear and gratitude for its restraint will cause China to defer to it on territorial disputes.

But this is wishful thinking, as China won't make any compromises in its border disputes with India. And while China wishes to coexist peacefully with India, this desire isn't born out of fear.

India's current course can only lead to a rivalry between the two countries. India needs to consider whether or not it can afford the consequences of a potential confrontation with China. It should also be asking itself why it hasn't forged the stable and friendly relationship with China that China enjoys with many of India's neighbors, like Pakistan, Nepal and Sri Lanka.

Any aggressive moves will certainly not aid the development of good relations with China. India should examine its attitude and preconceptions it will need to adjust if it hopes to cooperate with China and achieve a mutually beneficial outcome.

Source: Global Times

 

[Communist]

Hmm....ami ki kothao abhadro-ta korechi amar post-te??...if yes,then please notify me,i'll apologise......btw,i was wanting a link for the diminishing population in ap,as you mentioned...thnx

I have asked my sources to provide the data regarding that issue. Please keep patience. All will be posted.

And sorry, ei commy commy bolata chharoto, comrade bolte paro. Are not you an SFI member?

 

[BanglaBhoot]

Arunachal Pradesh Congress MP blames China for hindering development

Guwahati, June 13 (ANI): Congress MP from Arunachal East Constituency Takam Sanjoy has said the Chinese Government is blocking the development of Arunachal Pradesh by objecting to a loan from the Asian Development Bank.

“A senior officer of the Chinese government, in the rank of vice-chairperson, objected to the sanction of 60 million dollars for Arunachal Pradesh at a meeting held in New Delhi in May to discuss a package of 2.9 billion dollars which was to be funded by the ADB for development work in the country,” Sanjoy told reporters here.

Referring to the Chinese claims that Arunachal is part of its territory, Sanjoy said: “My state is on the top of the mainstream map of India and no force whether it is Chinese or any other can claim an inch of our land.”

Claiming that major development work had been undertaken by China along the Sino-Indian border, which was a matter of great concern, Sanjoy underlined the need for an IAF airbase in Arunachal Pradesh on the line of airbases at Chhabua, Jorhat and Tezpur in Assam.

“Massive development in the state could be the only answer to the Chinese build up of infrastructure on their side including construction of a 1000 km highway,” he said. (ANI)

Arunachal Pradesh Congress MP blames China for hindering development

 

[BanglaBhoot]

China cautions India on troop build-up near border

Ananth Krishnan

BEIJING: China on Thursday rejected suggestions that incursions by its troops into the Indian territory were on the rise, and cautioned India that any move to increase troop presence along the disputed border in Arunachal Pradesh “would only lead to a rivalry between the two countries.”

Arunachal Pradesh Governor J.J. Singh said earlier this week that two Army divisions of around 30,000 soldiers each would be deployed along the disputed border as part of a “planned augmentation of [India’s] capabilities to defend the country.” Mr. Singh’s statement followed reported claims from officials that Chinese incursions into Indian territory had become more frequent in the past one year.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang told reporters on Thursday that China “cannot accept such an allegation.”

Mr. Qin said: “China and India have never demarcated the border. To resolve this issue at an early date is one of the 10 strategies to improve China-India relations. The two countries have reached a consensus on resolving this issue, and we hope the two countries will follow the 10 principles and jointly safeguard stability and tranquillity in the border areas. China has always followed such an attitude to settle the issue.”

Mr. Singh’s statement evoked a strong reaction from the local media and political analysts in China.

The People’s Daily, official newspaper of the Chinese Communist Party, said in an editorial on Thursday that a decision to move more troops to the border would lead to a rivalry between the two countries, and asked the Indian government to consider “whether or not it can afford the consequences of a potential confrontation with China.”

It said, “China is seen in India as both a potential threat and a competitor to surpass. But India can’t actually compete with China in a number of areas, like international influence, overall national power and economic scale. India apparently has not yet realised this.”

The paper described as “wishful thinking” that “gratitude for India’s restraint” in joining the “ring around China” established by the United States and Japan would see China deferring to Indian demands on territorial disputes.

“China won’t make any compromises in its border disputes with India,” it said.

While both China and India have agreed in principle to maintain “peace and tranquillity” along the disputed border, talks have made modest progress.

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