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Money Ballast Keeps Rafales on Runway -The New Indian Express


NEW DELHI: With barely a week left for the arrival of French President Francois Hollande in the national capital, a crucial deal to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets from France has hit turbulence.

Nine months after Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced in Paris India’s plans to buy the fighter aircraft directly from the French government, officials of the finance wing of the Ministry of Defence are worried about the high costs of the warplanes, which has turned out to be the way above their calculations.

According to officials, the 36 jets will cost $12 billion and will include aircraft in fly-away condition, weapon systems and a maintenance support package.

In December, the Cost Negotiation Committee (CNC) completed other parts of the deal, but price negotiations are ongoing. “Contract cost of the 36 Rafale has reached approximately $12 billion under flyway condition with weapon systems and a maintenance support package. It is way beyond our anticipated calculations. Efforts are on to negotiate it,” a source privy to the development told The Sunday Standard.

Sources added that after the CNC submits its report, the deal will require clearance from the Ministry of Finance ministry and a final nod from the Cabinet Committee on Security before being signed by the two sides. However, sources maintained that in any Inter-Government Agreement (IGA), prices are always expected to be about 2-3 per cent higher than competitive bidding.

According to a key agreement, France has agreed to 30 per cent offsets in the Rafale deal, which means French companies like Dassault—which manufactures the Rafales—will have to plough 30 per cent of the contract value back into India as offsets.

“During the earlier 126 Rafale jets deal with Dassault of $20 billion, the defence ministry had asked for a 50 per cent offset clause. But now the offset has been reduced to 30 per cent because we are buying only 36 under fly-away condition,” a source said.

The Ministry of Defence had constituted the CNC, headed by Air Marshal SBP Sinha, to hold negotiations with the French team, which was scheduled to be completed by July. Now, the ministry is desperate to complete the negotiations as early possible, but the objection raised by the finance wing are turning out to be main hurdle. Both sides have negotiated that after finalising the deal, the fighters will be supplied to India within three years.

The depleting combat strength of the Indian Air Force (IAF) has been a cause of concern as it is down to 34 fighter squadrons against an authorised strength of 42. IAF is getting four squadrons of Su-30 and subsequently, the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft Tejas is expected to fill the critical requirement of the air force. However, the combat feasibility of Tejas is still years away.

As per an estimated calculation, IAF plans to retire four squadrons of MiG-21M, five squadrons of MiG-27M and one squadron of MiG-21 Bison aircraft in 2017, losing 10 squadrons in one year, severely shrinking its increasingly vintage fighter aircraft fleet.
 
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Stand assured these news are making me sick more than anything..

The original deal for 36 jets was $ 6.5 Bn with jets, support packages and weapons all inclusive.
India wanted to lock in the price of 18 options at one go and expanded the negotiations to 54 jets at $ 7.1 Bn for jets and $ 2 Bn for weapons, 30% offset and support packages and other all inclusives.
This puts the jet cost at $131 Mn without weapons and with 30% offset for the deal the cost avg comes down to $ 118 Mn all inclusive of weapons and support packages..

The price will vary 5% give and take as per sources which i had posted few days back

The media is playing it too bad as the deal cost seems to be going up from intial $6.5 Bn reported in 1-2 french media as well to $ 9Bn (the realistic figure for 54) to $ 10 Bn (vishnu som/ Manu Pubby) to now $12 Bn

its better we all hold our horses as the price rise is like its a vegetable price which is not possible for a military jet,

As per an estimated calculation, IAF plans to retire four squadrons of MiG-21M, five squadrons of MiG-27M and one squadron of MiG-21 Bison aircraft in 2017, losing 10 squadrons in one year, severely shrinking its increasingly vintage fighter aircraft fleet.

My good sir, check IAF sticky.. its even worse.. People before a parliamentary committee from IAF has talked about just 25-26 active squadrons... With that its 1-1 with PAF and we can kiss goodbye our 2 front wars scenario....
 
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9 billion USD for 36 birds was without weapons and support package。

Now 12 billion USD for full package。

Sounds reasonable。
 
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Money Ballast Keeps Rafales on Runway -The New Indian Express


NEW DELHI: With barely a week left for the arrival of French President Francois Hollande in the national capital, a crucial deal to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets from France has hit turbulence.

Nine months after Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced in Paris India’s plans to buy the fighter aircraft directly from the French government, officials of the finance wing of the Ministry of Defence are worried about the high costs of the warplanes, which has turned out to be the way above their calculations.

According to officials, the 36 jets will cost $12 billion and will include aircraft in fly-away condition, weapon systems and a maintenance support package.

In December, the Cost Negotiation Committee (CNC) completed other parts of the deal, but price negotiations are ongoing. “Contract cost of the 36 Rafale has reached approximately $12 billion under flyway condition with weapon systems and a maintenance support package. It is way beyond our anticipated calculations. Efforts are on to negotiate it,” a source privy to the development told The Sunday Standard.

Sources added that after the CNC submits its report, the deal will require clearance from the Ministry of Finance ministry and a final nod from the Cabinet Committee on Security before being signed by the two sides. However, sources maintained that in any Inter-Government Agreement (IGA), prices are always expected to be about 2-3 per cent higher than competitive bidding.

According to a key agreement, France has agreed to 30 per cent offsets in the Rafale deal, which means French companies like Dassault—which manufactures the Rafales—will have to plough 30 per cent of the contract value back into India as offsets.

“During the earlier 126 Rafale jets deal with Dassault of $20 billion, the defence ministry had asked for a 50 per cent offset clause. But now the offset has been reduced to 30 per cent because we are buying only 36 under fly-away condition,” a source said.

The Ministry of Defence had constituted the CNC, headed by Air Marshal SBP Sinha, to hold negotiations with the French team, which was scheduled to be completed by July. Now, the ministry is desperate to complete the negotiations as early possible, but the objection raised by the finance wing are turning out to be main hurdle. Both sides have negotiated that after finalising the deal, the fighters will be supplied to India within three years.

The depleting combat strength of the Indian Air Force (IAF) has been a cause of concern as it is down to 34 fighter squadrons against an authorised strength of 42. IAF is getting four squadrons of Su-30 and subsequently, the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft Tejas is expected to fill the critical requirement of the air force. However, the combat feasibility of Tejas is still years away.

As per an estimated calculation, IAF plans to retire four squadrons of MiG-21M, five squadrons of MiG-27M and one squadron of MiG-21 Bison aircraft in 2017, losing 10 squadrons in one year, severely shrinking its increasingly vintage fighter aircraft fleet.
Indian media at its best. :suicide:



I wonder who paid for this trash?
 
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The New Indian express is consistent on churning out " Bail Tatti " articles.

If i remember correctly it was new Indian express only which claimed Akash tests as failed and later chabged it to successful.

There is something seriously wrong with this media outlet :coffee:
 
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and the good news is 8.2bn$ was original plan of 126 fighter jets.MMRCA mother of all deals :lol: french are very smart they took from you 12bn$ and give you only 36 rather then 126 birds :partay:
 
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and the good news is 8.2bn$ was original plan of 126 fighter jets.MMRCA mother of all deals :lol: french are very smart they took from you 12bn$ and give you only 36 rather then 126 birds :partay:

Modi is myopic, he does not understand the ABC of defense, yet he maintains the last word on defense splurge.
With such attitude, India is destined to be bankrupt sooner than later.

The priority is that of Chief of Defence Staff, which is tossed to back burner by Modi government.
 
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Stand assured these news are making me sick more than anything..

The original deal for 36 jets was $ 6.5 Bn with jets, support packages and weapons all inclusive.
India wanted to lock in the price of 18 options at one go and expanded the negotiations to 54 jets at $ 7.1 Bn for jets and $ 2 Bn for weapons, 30% offset and support packages and other all inclusives.
This puts the jet cost at $131 Mn without weapons and with 30% offset for the deal the cost avg comes down to $ 118 Mn all inclusive of weapons and support packages..

The price will vary 5% give and take as per sources which i had posted few days back

The media is playing it too bad as the deal cost seems to be going up from intial $6.5 Bn reported in 1-2 french media as well to $ 9Bn (the realistic figure for 54) to $ 10 Bn (vishnu som/ Manu Pubby) to now $12 Bn

its better we all hold our horses as the price rise is like its a vegetable price which is not possible for a military jet,



My good sir, check IAF sticky.. its even worse.. People before a parliamentary committee from IAF has talked about just 25-26 active squadrons... With that its 1-1 with PAF and we can kiss goodbye our 2 front wars scenario....

As per my sources 9 Billion is the official figure but that includes entire life-cycle cost in terms of maintenance package ensuring 80%+ availability and a weapons package.

Certainly expensive but not unreasonable.
 
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