Moment Of Truth :---

[MastanKhan]

Why would an air force DELIBERATELY keep its numbers low to 'avoid' war with an enemy which it has spanked historically, whether it was 65 or 71? In 99 PAF never jumped in. Like why? If anything, the enemy fears your PAF and SSG more than anything else. Could it be that the PAF has been over-confident in its thought process rather than 'weak' as you put it?

Hi,

That would be a question to be asked in a congressional type of hearing by a very knowledgeable person to the last many alive air chiefs---.

 

[Psychic]

young man, the other side did not have good aircraft and had poor training to begin with.

Please provide evidence

Youngman,

It is my love for you guys that I write---. Otherwise who would in their sane minds would make the powers to be mad---.

It is a numbers game---. Quality is also prone to attrition---. There is only a certain percentage of enemy aircraft & pilots you will take out and losing an X number of your aircrafts and pilots---.

The problem with you kids and adults is that you want to die fighting like TIPU SULTAN---.

But what I am trying to tell you is fight like Mahmud Ghaznavi---fight like Babur---fight like Abdali.

We pakistanis have no blood relation with the great warrior Sultan Tipu other than he was a muslim---but we have blood relation with Ghaznavi---with Babur---with Abdali---these were our fore fathers---they did not come to die fighting---they came to kill and win---.

Always remember---it is not the Size of the dog that fights---it is the FIGHT in the dog that matters---.

Imran Khan talking about Tipu and not Ghaznavi is a display of his defeatist mentality.

He has accepted defeat before the firing of the first shot.

 

[Trango Towers]

Hi,

The indian take over of kashmir has finally let the cat out of the bag---.

And the cat says that the Paf has been caught with its pants down and may end up letting the nation and people of kashmir down---.

The Paf is woefully short of frontline fighter aircraft by a number of 100-150 aircraft---. The reason being that the Paf did not believe that there would be a war with india---.

Paf intentionally kept the numbers down over the last 3 1/2 decades for the reason that with a full inventory---pak army would have waged a war and the Paf---self serving organization that it is---does not want to fight a war---.

Every opportunity that the Paf had of getting the aircraft was short listed and an excuse found not to get the aircraft in a timely manner---. Every opportunity was availed to stretch the purchase option till the line stretched so thin that it broke---.

Never ever was there any URGENCY shown on the behalf of the Paf to get the aircraft on urgent basis---.

Another anti PAF post by the drunk american *** wipe. @waz how do u guys let this happen...

It's short because of economy not because PAF didn't want new fighters. The whole reason behind JF-17 Thunder is self reliability and affordability.

He is drunk again.

 

[MastanKhan]

Imran Khan talking about Tipu and not Ghaznavi is a display of his defeatist mentality.

He has accepted defeat before the firing of the first shot.

Hi,

That is not the case---. He is not trained---. He is not programmed---.

Most---almost all pakistanis gives Tipu Sultan example---that comes by default---.

It is just a change of mindset and direction---.

If there was a single pakistani that I had ever heard being like a Ghaznavi Ghauri or Abdali in my 60 plus years of life---I would agree to that---.

But now that I have told you guys---you need to propel the idea and move it forward---.

Remember it is all a mind game---it is the fight in the dog that matters---and this dog ain't gonna give his life just for that---.

And for the same reason---there is a different mindset to the soldiers---.

Prepare them & train them to fight like Abdali and Ghaznavi---and you will have a different breed of fighter---.

 

[Lincoln]

First of all we need to find a counter for the Rafale. Numbers game we can make up with pumping out Thunders rapidly, but we need something that can down the Rafale. Thunder may not be able to do that.

Drones, that's the future.

 

[Moonlight]

@MastanKhan bhai, I second your opinion based on facts. But I little disagree too.
Short of aircrafts isn’t the only factor for Pakistan to not get offensive when we even can justify the actions of attacking the enemy.
There’re many other factors too.
So we can not put all the blame on PAF.

 

[litman]

although i have put mastan khan on ignore list but i can feel this non sense has been started again by him as he has got nothing else to do but to blame PAF for every problem the world is facing today.
we have to admit that pak can never match india in numbers of conventional weapons. simply because we never had enough budget. today our economic situation is worse then ever and it is not the fault of PAF. its the fault of those who were and who are sitting in islamabad trying to defend their corruption all the time.

 

[Armchair]

PAF needs to clean its house.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Hi,

That is not the case---. He is not trained---. He is not programmed---.

Most---almost all pakistanis gives Tipu Sultan example---that comes by default---.

It is just a change of mindset and direction---.

If there was a single pakistani that I had ever heard being like a Ghaznavi Ghauri or Abdali in my 60 plus years of life---I would agree to that---.

But now that I have told you guys---you need to propel the idea and move it forward---.

Remember it is all a mind game---it is the fight in the dog that matters---and this dog ain't gonna give his life just for that---.

And for the same reason---there is a different mindset to the soldiers---.

Prepare them & train them to fight like Abdali and Ghaznavi---and you will have a different breed of fighter---.

Exactly. We have untrained politicians too. They know nothing about running an state, they just jump in, play in the hands of corrupt bureaucracy, take the blame and martyr.
Imran is just an emotional and innocent chap.
@SUPARCO do you know suparco has been transferred to ministry of science and technology? Suparco launched two successful satellites, and agents went to Dr Fawad Ch, and he ordered to put suparco under civil govt again. That's how traitors in bureaucracy destroyed our country.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Sorry but .....
Some stuff in here you posted was not accurate

The only chance we gave up was to fly J10B but we already have JF17 models which are comparable therefore their was not urgency

Given the circumstances and our economy , I personally do not think we could get more planes

• No one offered us F16
• No one offered us Sukhoi
• No one offered us Rafale
• No one offered us Euro Fighter

However defensively I think we have good mix , of SAM/Fighter Jets / Ground forces to make massive impacts in Kashmir

In 2008 people thought we would have 250 JF17 Thunders by 2015 our figures are good but not close to 250 but that is only because we have made many quality enhancements and upgrades along the way

 

[Viny]

If u will get 150 jets they will buy another 500...what u will do then???

No, they won't..no one has an unlimited budget.

Well when Pakistan can have budget of 150, chances are India would be able to do cash and carry of 500 jets.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Their have to be an india first for that to happen

Khaslistan and Kashmir is reality now


Wars are won by Ground forces and Support on ground , and we have 12 million Kashmiri with us , I suggest we strike Indian forces hard in Kashmir and give weapons to Kashmiri to find their freedom

 

[MastanKhan]

@MastanKhan bhai, I second your opinion based on facts. But I little disagree too.
Short of aircrafts isn’t the only factor for Pakistan to not get offensive when we even can justify the actions of attacking the enemy.
There’re many other factors too.
So we can not put all the blame on PAF.

Hi,

It is all a matter of time that everyone of you doubters will be on board---some sooner than the others---and then there will be some who will never learn---.

There is no need for justification---we are in 1949---at war status with india by default---. India has changed all that by negating 370 / 35.

Indian military has become and occupying force---any large scale murder of the civilians at the hands of the indian military is a genocide now---any murder of a civilian by the indian military is WAR CRIME---.

Right now we are trying to convince ourselves that it is a lie---it is not happening---we are trying to find excuses that we are not at war---. The doubter are planting seeds---and that is a lie.

Did I answer a part of your statement about "justification"?

 

[MastanKhan]

@MastanKhan bhai, I second your opinion based on facts. But I little disagree too.
Short of aircrafts isn’t the only factor for Pakistan to not get offensive when we even can justify the actions of attacking the enemy.
There’re many other factors too.
So we can not put all the blame on PAF.

Maybe this video might help

https://www.facebook.com/

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Well when Pakistan can have budget of 150, chances are India would be able to do cash and carry of 500 jets.

And crash another 100