Modi's 'Mad Dog Posture' - Credible threat or a populist farce?

[kurup]

All of us were against Nawaz's visit to India but we didn't blast him in a hope that Modi will reciprocate. Looks like Modi didn't take our goodwill despite his previous record more than a weakness and a personal gambit. If he is a statesman he should respect the mandate indians have given to him and not act like a demagogue. His rhetoric is no longer empty because he is translating it into deaths for our citizens and we will not tolerate him nor Nawaz Sharif if he doesn't protect us from Modi's brinksmanship.

@nair

If Modi has to reciprocate , you will have to stop violating ceasefire and stop sending terrorists from your country to ours .

 

[Bang Galore]

All of us were against Nawaz's visit to India but we didn't blast him in a hope that Modi will reciprocate. Looks like Modi didn't take our goodwill despite his previous record more than a weakness and a personal gambit

What goodwill? An LeT attack on the Indian consulate on the eve of the swearing in with the intention of killing Indian diplomats precisely when Modi was being sworn in? Yeah right, I'm sure PM Modi saw the outflowing of goodwill.....

. If he is a statesman he should respect the mandate indians have given to him and not act like a demagogue.

That would be between him & the Indian people, he is certainly not answerable to pakistan or Pakistanis on what that respect for his mandate is & how it should be handled.

His rhetoric is no longer empty because he is translating it into deaths for our citizens and we will not tolerate him nor Nawaz Sharif if he doesn't protect us from Modi's brinksmanship.

There are enough Indian deaths that Pakistan is answerable for, show us what you seriously bring to the table.

 

[Kompromat]

If Modi has to reciprocate , you will have to stop violating ceasefire and stop sending terrorists from your country to ours .

That is your media responsible for your belief that its Pakistan violating the ceasefire and not the innocent BSF. Unless you get out of that mindset and are willing to believe that your country regularly violates ceasefire, we can't have a reasonable debate.

What goodwill? An LeT attack on the Indian consulate on the eve of the swearing in with the intention of killing Indian diplomats precisely when Modi was being sworn in? Yeah right, I'm sure PM Modi saw the outflowing of goodwill.....

That would be between him & the Indian people, he is certainly not answerable to pakistan or Pakistanis on what that respect for his mandate is & how it should be handled.

There are enough Indian deaths that Pakistan is answerable for, show us what you seriously bring to the table.

Yea just because a hash addict afghani said so, it became the bible truth. If Afghanistan is incapable of protecting diplomats why do they have them?

Moreover a large chunk of population in Afghanistan are anti India and do not want the 'Hindus' in their country, especially when supporting their nemesis.

 

[Totenkopf]

That is your media responsible for your belief that its Pakistan violating the ceasefire and not the innocent BSF. Unless you get out of that mindset and are willing to believe that your country regularly violates ceasefire, we can't have a reasonable debate.

That will require that you too accept and acknowledge that the Pak rangers and the PA are no saints either, and violate the ceasefire just as regularly as the IA and the BSF.

 

[nair]

All of us were against Nawaz's visit to India but we didn't blast him in a hope that Modi will reciprocate. Looks like Modi didn't take our goodwill despite his previous record more than a weakness and a personal gambit. If he is a statesman he should respect the mandate indians have given to him and not act like a demagogue. His rhetoric is no longer empty because he is translating it into deaths for our citizens and we will not tolerate him nor Nawaz Sharif if he doesn't protect us from Modi's brinksmanship.

@nair

You know i was pleasantly surprised with the invitation for his swearing in ceremony...... I was even surprised when Nawaz accepted it.... That was a signal to the entire world (including we indians) that he is different from his predecessors ...... Then comes the cancellation of the dialogue, though i did not agree with this stand, probably it was a message to Pakistan, a message which speaks he is different from MMS and His stands are going to be a tough one.....This was not the first time the dialogues are cancelled and this is not going to be the last time either.... Now why did most of us taken a back on this stand???? Probably we are used to MMS way of handling things..... Now I am looking at this little differently...... When you have a strong leader, then there is an advantage, Ie: He means business....... He has better control over his ministry and he does not need anyone's approval to take a call.... probably the last time we had such scenario was during Indira gandhi regime and while rajiv gandhi's first stint as PM......I get a feeling If modi is in power for another 10 years , and if we have strong leader in Pakistan who can take will ensure that our differences are resolved.......

It will take time to get used to Modi's way of governing India...... Not only for you for us also......

 

[Kompromat]

That will require that you too accept and acknowledge that the Pak rangers and the PA are no saints either, and violate the ceasefire just as regularly as the IA and the BSF.

I have never stated that we don't violate the ceasefire.

 

[SpArK]

A self congratulatory thread which interprets "strong measures" taken by a leader for the better of country as "mad dog posture".

The earlier India which experienced offensive steps from across the border has tried to resolve issues only through dialogue and diplomatic silly games.

Now things have changed and it has unsettled the game plan of bringing home back the K.

Firings getting reciprocated, flag meetings which was a convenient time -offs ain't happening.

Nuke threats getting laughter, freedom fighter push or jump over the wire aint happening.

Has 3 big direct neighbours .. All of them taking safeguards to prevent mayhem spreading like cancer into their land. ( only the red neighbour are content with warnings as of now).

Democracy getting butchered, civil administration getting roadblocks from cricket guy and cleric uncle creating standstill for the running of the country.

Running towards UN, towards P-5, passing resolutions in assembly getting lot of claps from inside the political circles.

Keeping a high tab on media with licenses getting cancelled and curbing free speech.
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Yes these are hard times. These are dark times.

And those times creates mayhem, creates threads like these.

 

[arbit]

Please note that Mr Sharif is not the only stakeholder in our security. He is bound to his own interests in India which is why he is acting like a muppet. Pakistanis will throw him out before he knows, he is running against time.

When you throw Sharif out do let us know. We are waiting with bated breath. Till then please stop abusing our leaders. Doesn't suit a "administrator'. The likes of Windjammer and razpak are good enough for the trolling.

And everything aside, Modi might be anti muslim ( you are not pro hindu either, So don't point fingers) But he is one heck of a leader and a shrewd politician.
the first quality will benefit india immensely in terms of economy, self reliance in manufacturing and other little things that matter. The second quality will provide india with a stable strong government. which again compounds these benefits. Something you can only dream of.

Also, this posture of modi arises out of necessity to safeguard indian interests, not to win 'populist votes'. He fought the elections nationwide on the agenda of development. Pakistan bashing was only limited to haryana where the profession of choice for many is still Army. People of this country voted for him for development! More industries. Investor friendly atmosphere. Ease of doing business.
Why do you think China enjoys such clout internationally. Because they fixed their economy first and even settled border issues with Russia to achieve that. And you are still stuck in Dharna to oust your recently elected leader and doomed to ride piggybank on other nations even to threaten us.

P.S - i again read your original post. What vitriol man! Modi riles you that much?

 

[Bang Galore]

Yea just because a hash addict afghani said so, it became the bible truth. If Afghanistan is incapable of protecting diplomats why do they have them?

Moreover a large chunk of population in Afghanistan are anti India and do not want the 'Hindus' in their country, especially when supporting their nemesis.

Ya right, you seem unaware that the U.S. government made an statement indicting the LeT for the attack.

"There is credible evidence that Pakistan-based terror outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) was responsible for the terror attack on the Indian consulate in Afghanistan’s Herat province, the US has said.


“Based on credible information... the US government has assessed that LeT was responsible for the attack in Herat on May 23rd, 2014. This is the attack on the Indian consulate (in Herat)”, State Department spokesperson Marie Harf said on Wednesday while announcing additional sanctions against LeT affiliates and leaders. "

Regardless of whether you agree or not, there is absolutely no reason for Mr.Modi or Ajit Doval to buy your line. That they carried on with the invitation to NS & treated him with all due courtesy is reflection of their intent . The fact that the PA felt the need to target Indian soldiers/BSF with IED's & are now complaining about the Indian response will hardly find much sympathy here. All this after Modi had agreed to FS talks after a very long time.

Nor is the story of your High commission meeting the Hurriyat for consultations a credible line. Consultation for what exactly? There were no talks about Kashmir scheduled (the FS meeting was a preliminary exploratory meet - a talk about talks), the excuse given by the GoP was a bogus one & if the intent was to just consult & not do grandstanding, a phone call would have sufficed.

 

[kurup]

That is your media responsible for your belief that its Pakistan violating the ceasefire and not the innocent BSF. Unless you get out of that mindset and are willing to believe that your country regularly violates ceasefire, we can't have a reasonable debate.

OK then what about terrorists coming from your country ??

 

[Kompromat]

OK then what about terrorists coming from your country ??

People who want to go and fight in Kashmir are going there because of your occupation. If Kashmiris get their promised right to self determination, there would be no reason left for these people to go and fight in Kashmir. Secondly is the issue of the fencing by India. By fencing the LoC, India is responsible for escalation and trying to change the status quo which we won't accept. LoC is not an international border, therefore it can be fenced unilaterally.

 

[kurup]

People who want to go and fight in Kashmir are going there because of your occupation. If Kashmiris get their promised right to self determination, there would be no reason left for these people to go and fight in Kashmir.

What happens in Kashmir is none of the business of Pakistani Punjabis .

Majority of the terrorist recruited by LeT are Pakistani Punjabis .

Secondly is the issue of the fencing by India. By fencing the LoC, India is responsible for escalation and trying to change the status quo which we won't accept. LoC is not an international border, therefore it can be fenced unilaterally.

That is one of the weirdest logic , I have heard .

We are fencing because we want to stop the terrorist infiltrating from your country .

Who is stopping you from doing the fencing if you have nothing to hide .

You won't because that will make the job difficult for you .

 

[SpArK]

People who want to go and fight in Kashmir are going there because of your occupation.

People who want to go and fight in Kashmir, do they have/had any occupation.(job)

If they had.. where was it?

If they have no occupation in host country they are launched, is there any plan from government or your army to find them a proper occupation?

If you dont know , is there anyone in forum who does that?

 

[Kompromat]

@SpArK

Only if a non Muslim Karalite wasn't playing god for Muslim Kashmiris, those men wouldn't have to fight in the first place.

What happens in Kashmir is none of the business of Pakistani Punjabis .

Majority of the terrorist recruited by LeT are Pakistani Punjabis .



That is one of the weirdest logic , I have heard .

We are fencing because we want to stop the terrorist infiltrating from your country .

Who is stopping you from doing the fencing if you have nothing to hide .

You won't because that will make the job difficult for you .

Indian Hindus don't decide what the rights of the Muslims are in Kashmir or Pakistan. We decide what our rights and will battle till we have them. History is replete with examples of Muslims fighting for their rights for extended periods of time. Our Centeral Asian Muslim kin, fought for two centuries against Slavic occupiers and finally tore them into pieces.

If Kashmiri Muslim remains oppressed, Indian Hindu shall remain under threat and shall never taste true peace. Fight for Kashmir will go on till its logical end.

 

[kurup]

Indian Hindus don't decide what the rights of the Muslims are in Kashmir or Pakistan. We decide what our rights and will battle till we have them. History is replete with examples of Muslims fighting for their rights for extended periods of time. Our Centeral Asian Muslim kin, fought for two centuries against Slavic occupiers and finally tore them into pieces.

If Kashmiri Muslim remains oppressed, Indian Hindu shall remain under threat and shall never taste true peace. Fight for Kashmir will go on till its logical end.

But then there are Kashmiri Hindus as well as Buddhists .

That give us perfect right to decide what is best for them or not .

Anybody who does not like our rule is free to go anywhere they want .