Modi to spend INR350m to mark 50th anniversary of 1965 Indo-Pak war!

[Nefarious]

The real victory is for the smaller guy Pakistan - holding off the mighty India who had all the advantages.

Indians... Your so lucky,if Pakistan was any bigger with more numbers...India would be a smaller country today and you know it!

Indians can't fight.

Thanks

 

[Kambojaric]

NS should invite Modi for evening tea at Lahore Gymkhana haha

 

[MandarK]

Very soon we will hear from Pakistan that Pakistan won 71 war because:

1. India is a bigger nation we are small hence India lost.

2. India might have captured more territory or might have killed more men but pakistan won because we saved west pakistan.

3. India lost because India could not capture west pakistan.

4. India lost because pakistan could not full fill its objective.

5. India lost because pakistan attacked India and India in turn repelled attacking forces but could not take lahore.

6. India lost because Pakistanis are marital race.

Did I miss anything?

NS should invite Modi for evening tea at Lahore Gymkhana haha

Or NS can visit KASHMIR

The real victory is for the smaller guy Pakistan - holding off the mighty India who had all the advantages.

Indians... Your so lucky,if Pakistan was any bigger with more numbers...India would be a smaller country today and you know it!

Indians can't fight.

Thanks

Guess what you are not so lucky as you are already a samller nation

 

[OTTOMAN]

In other words... Modi is going to celebrate achievements of congress and his own impotence.

 

[Ragnar]

This has to be a bloody joke. Use this taxpayer money for paying army pensions. Enough naach gaana yoga.

 

[de_xtr]

We did save lahore.did'nt we.U lost 800 men in the first attack on lahore and u could'nt cross BRB cannal whole of the war.
Also our troops captured lots of areas in IOK and at a point near capturing rajauri,a choke point of indian army in iok.

We saved lahore as well as captured territory in IOK

The losses of the army on both sides were almost equal.
Edit:Also our air force f***** ur air force real hard

Was saving Lahore the objective of 1965 war ? Now I'm interested, because I want to know what Pakistanis have been told.

The war of 1965 had two parts, Operation Gibraltar, with the objective of pushing army-trained mujaheddin into Kashmir valley who will sabotage key installations, disguised as locals and Operation Grand Slam, the Pakistani military offensive, supported by armored columns, regular troops and heavier weapons, artillery and airforce.

The plan was handiwork of the then foreign minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, who, I personally think never had the patience and lack foresight to be a good leader, among many other things. He was aided by his secretary Aziz Ahmed. They convinced the then COAS, Gen Ayub Khan.
There was an issue in Srinagar, related to a holy relic (hair of Prophet Mohammad), which had disappeared in late 1963. Pakistani leadrship thought the Spring of 1965 to be the perfect time to launch an offensive.

The idea, juvenile in planning and lacklustre in execution was doomed from the very beginning as local Kashmiri people did not rebel against India, instead, informed the Indian Army about ongoing infiltration. The war lasted a few weeks and ended with India gaining 1800 sq. km of land while Pakistan held about one-third of the same. Interesting again to note, most of the Indian gains were in the plains of Punjab, while Pakistan had gained some marsh lands and some barren mountains in Kashmir. Also, Indian Army placed itself very close to Lahore, which was well within the range of Indian Artillery.

Now, tell me, if the initial objective of capturing whole Kashmir and reaching Srinagar, gets reversed to somehow saving Lahore, within just two weeks, will you still call it a victory ?

In my books, completion of objective is victory, no less. If in your book, a total reversal from being aggressive to being defensive is victory, then you may have it, no issues.

NS should invite Modi for evening tea at Lahore Gymkhana haha

I think that would be a very kind gesture from Nawaz Sharif. It will also be a way of returning the favour of inviting a country's premier in style. What more, it will be an offer Modi will not be able to refuse!!

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

Was saving Lahore the objective of 1965 war ? Now I'm interested, because I want to know what Pakistanis have been told.

The war of 1965 had two parts, Operation Gibraltar, with the objective of pushing army-trained mujaheddin into Kashmir valley who will sabotage key installations, disguised as locals and Operation Grand Slam, the Pakistani military offensive, supported by armored columns, regular troops and heavier weapons, artillery and airforce.

The plan was handiwork of the then foreign minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, who, I personally think never had the patience and lack foresight to be a good leader, among many other things. He was aided by his secretary Aziz Ahmed. They convinced the then COAS, Gen Ayub Khan.
There was an issue in Srinagar, related to a holy relic (hair of Prophet Mohammad), which had disappeared in late 1963. Pakistani leadrship thought the Spring of 1965 to be the perfect time to launch an offensive.

The idea, juvenile in planning and lacklustre in execution was doomed from the very beginning as local Kashmiri people did not rebel against India, instead, informed the Indian Army about ongoing infiltration. The war lasted a few weeks and ended with India gaining 1800 sq. km of land while Pakistan held about one-third of the same. Interesting again to note, most of the Indian gains were in the plains of Punjab, while Pakistan had gained some marsh lands and some barren mountains in Kashmir. Also, Indian Army placed itself very close to Lahore, which was well within the range of Indian Artillery.

Now, tell me, if the initial objective of capturing whole Kashmir and reaching Srinagar, gets reversed to somehow saving Lahore, within just two weeks, will you still call it a victory ?

In my books, completion of objective is victory, no less. If in your book, a total reversal from being aggressive to being defensive is victory, then you may have it, no issues.

And what about Indian plan of capturing lahore within 72 hours of the attack???What about Indian plan of capturing lahore sheikupura highway and then capturing sialkot,lahore,etc...............LOL U indians have been told twisted facts of history

 

[de_xtr]

And what about Indian plan of capturing lahore within 72 hours of the attack???What about Indian plan of capturing lahore sheikupura highway and then capturing sialkot,lahore,etc...............LOL U indians have been told twisted facts of history

Hahaha.. You are jumping to conclusions my friend.

Twisted the facts ? Where ? did I tell you for once that Indian Army captured Lahore ?

In my previous post, I told you how the war started with Pakistani aggression.

Now all it came down to how India will stage it's defence. The Indian COAS at that time was Joyanto Nath Chaudhri from Bengal, who had incidentally liberated Hyderabad too. He, along with Indian Prime Minister, Lal Bahadur Shastri, came to the conclusion that it is going to be a short lived war and later there will be negotiations. So, India should try to capture as much Pakistani land as possible to gain an upper hand in negotiations.

Some of the attempts to capture land succeeded, some failed. Lahore was one such failed attempt. But the overall plan worked. India managed to capture 3 times more land than Pakistan did and also denied the Pakistani objective of capturing Kashmir.

So, capturing Lahore was not for which India was fighting the war, it was a form of offensive defence, in which India succeeded by capturing more land and that too the fertile tracts of Punjab.

It also helped India to gain an upper hand in negotiations, otherwise, why would Pakistan lose there as well ?

 

[Nefarious]

^ Lol at "a form of offensive defence", in other words the offence wasn't as offensive as we would have liked anf therefore we will call it "offensive defence!" Lmao

 

[SrNair]

INR 350 million for celebration.Modi is not that dumb .Because OROP is still needs to implement.

 

[de_xtr]

^ Lol at "a form of offensive defence", in other words the offence wasn't as offensive as we would have liked anf therefore we will call it "offensive defence!" Lmao

Ohh..I'm so sorry if the events were not upto the mark for some arm-chair general. Perhaps the events that followed six years down the line after 1965 made you content, satisfied and happy ?

You know, one should really try to read the history before trying to pose as an expert. There are things beyond the summary written in wikipedia.

 

[SamantK]

This thread is damn funny!

Pakistanis are still not out of delusions, I though @Norwegian knew his history

“Muscular articulations such as these will do very little in the way of resuming dialogue, which the BJP leader has stated his government’s interest in,” Pakistan People’s Party vice-president Sherry Rehman said in a statement earlier this month. Rehman said any agenda for peace “requires an appetite for it, not an investment in valourising memories of conflict”. - See more at: Pakistan bristles at India’s 1965 war ‘commemorative carnival’ | The Indian Express

Oh the burn

 

[JonAsad]

face saving exercise and a waste of toilet money-

 

[Razia Sultana]

This is funny. INR 350 million for celebration means a quarter rupee per indian or Rs. 265/- per indian soldier. We cant celebrate with peanuts.

As regards to claims of victory, I dont think anyone won the war. India can claim the victory because Indian Army foiled Pakistan's Operation Gibraltar and Operation Grand Slam and captured more pakistani territory and inflicted more damage in terms of men and material.

Pakistan claims victory as she fought with a much bigger and stronger nation without a decisive defeat and causing more numerical damage to indian war planes.

I think the Tashkent Agreement served as equalizer or else Pakistan would be a smaller country by a few hundred square kilometers.

 

[M.SAAD]

In 1965 Pakistan fought well and managed to withdraw Indian forces and PAF also punched above its weight that time.

But that war wasn't a Victory for Pakistan, we started the war with Operation Gibraltar to capture Kashmir and we ended up defending Lahore instead .

If we consider only defending Lahore a victory then our standard of 'Victory' is pretty damn low, IMO.


That war would've been a victory had we managed to capture Kashmir + Defend Lahore .