Mirza Jatt
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No thats a lie we never worship anyone, its indian specialty to worship Goras as deities.
ok. glad that you caught the lie within the truth !
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No thats a lie we never worship anyone, its indian specialty to worship Goras as deities.
What we need to remember is that we have gone through a lot with the Americans. We know what they are, we know how they operate. We are going into this with eyes wide open. We know the Americans don't give too boots for us or the Afghans, or the Indians for that matter. We know they will ditch us if they no longer need us. The difference this time is that we have a pro Pakistan, united, selfless civil and military leadership. This opportunity has arisen not because we have decided to knuckle under and work for the interests of the US, it is because there is a convergence of interest between the two countries and we can get a lot of concessions if we help the US to achieve what is at the end of the day in our interests as well. To name it, it is a peaceful Afghanistan with all parties working together rather than perpetually fighting each other. That is the only way we can progress and counter the Indian strategy of squeezing us from both sides. Pakistan has always had the whip hand in Afghanistan because of our geographic, religious and cultural links as the last few decades have shown. It is the same hand that has now shown itself to swing things in our favour once again. The Indians have had a good attempt at using the prevailing conditions to damage us, however this strategy has failed spectacularly and is now in ruins. Revival of this strategy will not happen because if the Indians try to use Afghan soil to destabilise Pakistan, then it will also destabilise Afghanistan which the Americans cannot allow and will result in a blowback from them. This is a well thought out policy and strategy from the Pakistani's, I think it is time for the Indians to do some forward thinking. Their strategy is defunct and Pakistan has come through its worst period wiser, stronger and intact. They have had their chance and failed, they now need to change their thinking and get on the right side of history or they may find that history will very quickly leave it trailing in it's wake.I do not understand what are you guys so excited about.
1) Trump knows you guys fixation about Valley and so he threw a bone at IK. He lied , big deal. He does it daily. Till other day you guys were making so much fun of him.
2) How has he treated his allies...Japan, Canada, UK, France, Germany. Does he cares about protocol. Does he care about his own officials ( when he hires them , he praises them to sky only to abuse and fire them next week).
3) He made a promise during his election that he will pull out of Afghanistan...this is the easiest target for him and so he is doing what is needed ...to he'll with Afghanistan or Pakistan. ...does he care aftermath.
I just want you guys to extract maximum that u can as the cost in future is huge to you guys.
Will India go out of Afghanistan? Was it ever out even during Taliban period.
Will Taliban do what is best for Pakistan.
All these love for America , which has ditched earlier and will ditch again, will have your new BFF China loose trust on you guys.
Guys, keep this thread alive. You will come back in a year time to abuse IK the way now u do Musharraf. Only the actors change..not the plot or the kismet
It's about terms kiddo.Lol... I really like how Pakistanis bad mouths US one day and worships them another day !
What is even India's failure here that you guys are celebrating ? Gosh I would infact ask questions to my Prime Minister of he goes to a foreign visit about the deals he signed. Are you saying IK revived friendship between US and Pakistan ?? lol.. the same frendship that you never wanted OR the same friendship that you keep giving advice on to the Indians about how bad an ally that US is. Ok I understand Trump threw a bone by saying Modi asked him to mediate in Kahmir issue.. is that what you are celebrating ?
Oh someone also highlighted that India called Trump a liar by stating that Modi never told that to Trump..well let me take the lid off..let me actually tell you the butter truth about Modi which the Indians are now hiding... the truth is.... Modi never said that ! But hey you dont need to believ this ..cuz India is no more the India of 1999 that it will be scared of any sanctions. Trump is a spoiled king who loves making statement now and then. But is that Modi's failure that you are celebrating ?? lol.
Do enlighten us about the success of Pakistan though about this trip instead of your khayali puao of Modi's failure based on a personal blog.
Lol... I really like how Pakistanis bad mouths US one day and worships them another day !
Congratulations to Pakistan !
Was any bilateral agreement, strategic treaty, social cultural economic pact or MOU signed ?
Please share the detail. We would love to know it and discuss it's implications.
Once USA is out of Afhanistan, it will not care a shit for the whole region. History repeates for people who spend all their time reading .....
Once America is out, Trump objective is achieved, it's focus will be back on China. What will u do to appease USA, UAE etc..dump China, Dump CEPC. You want to go back to the arms of USA?.
India in Afghanistan was there and will be there.....doing stuff which is good for Afghans and maybe more. China will be also investing itself in Afghanistan to contain Taliban etc and India will be with China and Russia and Iran...there.
I just see Pakistani being the same emotional being
In your haste to be contrary, you have highlighted exactly why the US will continue to give a shit about the region. Why you think that India will be relevant to the Chinese and Russians in Afghanistan only you can answer when the main players have been Pakistan, Iran, China and Russia. There is no way Pakistan is going to allow India to have a foothold and leverage in Afghanistan after the American withdrawal, that much will have been run by the Americans and accepted as a price for Pakistani cooperation. The Taliban as part of an Afghan government is never going to accept your meddling even if the NA would. You really need to look at this objectively and not through the wishful thinking of an Indian lens. The firmament has shifted once again and the stars have realigned. The big powers are all on board with this, it's not just a US Pakistani thing and India is seen not as a constructive force but as a spoiler. You really need to look at the big picture before you answer.Once USA is out of Afhanistan, it will not care a shit for the whole region. History repeates for people who spend all their time reading .....
Once America is out, Trump objective is achieved, it's focus will be back on China. What will u do to appease USA, UAE etc..dump China, Dump CEPC. You want to go back to the arms of USA?.
India in Afghanistan was there and will be there.....doing stuff which is good for Afghans and maybe more. China will be also investing itself in Afghanistan to contain Taliban etc and India will be with China and Russia and Iran...there.
I just see Pakistani being the same emotional being
Dude, Why do think Modi will seek meditation of America? Political suicide? What would make India say it?
Let me hear it from u.
And Modi will not react on Stupid comments. No same leader will react to every stupid utterances of Trump.
Why are u guys so emotional?
Waiting to hear from u on above
.... and India is seen not as a constructive force but as a spoiler.
Shri Shri Trump Maha Dev
Great Noor Jahan, never dying, plastically enhanced.. had the foresight... the following describes the situation our good friends from gangadesh are in!
@zulu do you agree? Or something better?
if we use indian songs for indians u may rem""Pathar ky sanam tujhe hum ny ....."""
I do not understand what are you guys so excited about.
1) Trump knows you guys fixation about Valley and so he threw a bone at IK. He lied , big deal. He does it daily. Till other day you guys were making so much fun of him.
2) How has he treated his allies...Japan, Canada, UK, France, Germany. Does he cares about protocol. Does he care about his own officials ( when he hires them , he praises them to sky only to abuse and fire them next week).
3) He made a promise during his election that he will pull out of Afghanistan...this is the easiest target for him and so he is doing what is needed ...to he'll with Afghanistan or Pakistan. ...does he care aftermath.
I just want you guys to extract maximum that u can as the cost in future is huge to you guys.
Will India go out of Afghanistan? Was it ever out even during Taliban period.
Will Taliban do what is best for Pakistan.
All these love for America , which has ditched earlier and will ditch again, will have your new BFF China loose trust on you guys.
Guys, keep this thread alive. You will come back in a year time to abuse IK the way now u do Musharraf. Only the actors change..not the plot or the kismet
Well, the real situation will come forward after elections. Let the elections pass.Source
Modi disastrously bungled India’s famous policy of so-called “non-alignment” over the past year and ensured that the summit between Pakistani Prime Minister Khan and US President Trump was an unprecedented success in changing the strategic chessboard in South Asia.
Afghanistan, Trade, And Kashmir
All of Eurasia is still trying to process the grand strategic implications of what just took place on Monday during Pakistani Prime Minister Khan’s unprecedentedly successful summit with US President Trump, which saw the American leader praise his counterpart for “extricating” the Pentagon from Afghanistan, committing to invest even more in the South Asian state, and even surprisingly offering to mediate the ongoing Kashmir Conflict. Each of these three main components of their partnership — the military, economic, and political — have been supercharged like never before, thus suddenly changing the strategic chessboard in South Asia.
India lost the War on Afghanistan and won’t be able to turn the landlocked country into its “strategic depth” springboard for scaling up the Hybrid War on CPEC, especially not after it has to contend with the fact that its American military-strategic ally intends to become an indirect de-facto stakeholder in this flagship project of China’s Belt & Road Initiative (BRI) through its promised Pakistani investments. The “if you can’t beat ’em, join ’em” attitude that America is taking towards CPEC naturally inclines it to mediate the Kashmir Conflict in order to ensure the long-term success of this initiative, representing a major strategic defeat for India.
Making A Fool Out Of Modi
But therein lies one of the most curious reactions to the Khan-Trump Summit, and it’s that India denied that Modi requested the American leader to diplomatically intervene like Trump said he did. It could be that Modi really did “betray India’s interests” like the opposition claims happened, or it might just be the case that Trump wanted to put pressure on him to welcome the US’ involvement in Kashmir while simultaneously humiliating the Indian leader as clever vengeance for the “hard ball” that he’s playing with America regarding trade and the S-400s.
Whatever the truth may be, one thing is certain, and it’s that none of this would have even been possible had Modi not disastrously bungled India’s famous policy of so-called “multi-alignment” over the past year, which laid the basis for the Pakistani-American rapprochement. The US had previously assumed that its military-strategic alliance with India was proceeding smoothly due to their shared interests in “containing” China, but then Modi blatantly tried to extract more benefits from Trump by attempting to play America against China & Russia, which instantly destroyed the nascent trust that was building between the two leaders.
Losing The “Golden Opportunity”
Modi had the “golden opportunity” last year to ensure India’s lasting alliance with the US had he accepted his country’s junior partner status and took the deal that was on offer at the time, which was speculated to have involved New Delhi rejecting Moscow’s S-400s in exchange for Washington’s analogous air-defense systems as well as distancing itself from Beijing. Lo and behold, however, Modi proceeded with the missile deal and flirted with the possibility of enhancing trade relations with the People’s Republic while meeting with President Xi during the G20, which flew in the face of the spirit of the US-Indian alliance.
That’s not to say that India was serious about pivoting towards both Eurasian Great Powers, but just that it was too obvious to the US that New Delhi was trying to exploit its relations with Moscow and Beijing as leverage to ultimately get a better deal from Washington. Indian strategists terribly misread Trump, who earned his riches in the cutthroat industry of New York real estate, and didn’t think that he’d react the way that he did by intensifying pressure on their country and asking for even more from them than before. Had they followed America’s recently troubled relations with Russia and China, however, they’d have known how he operates.
Trump’s Modus Operandi
Trump’s modus operandi is to make an offer to his counterparts that’s tilted towards the US’ favor (seeing as how he’s negotiating from what he believes to be a position of strength) and then worsen the terms concurrent with putting even more pressure on them than ever before if they reject the original offer. This in turn creates an unpredictable situation that “The Kraken” (“the agent of chaos”) masterfully manipulates to his country’s advantage by exploiting the opportunity to reshape the strategic situation at his rivals’ expense, thus leading to a far-reaching revision of the status quo that more often than not ends up being to the US’ benefit.
The only recourse that Russia and China have if they want to stop this process in the event that they can’t successfully guide it in the direction of their own interests (a feat that’s much easier said than done considering that the US controls the chaotic dynamics) is to enact a series of “face-saving” concessions under the euphemism of reaching a so-called “New Detente” or “trade deal“. Those two aforementioned Great Powers have much more resilience than India, however, and are also more or less aligned in their strategic visions too, which is why their leaders can hold out longer in trying to resist Trump’s pressure than Modi can.
The Worst Time To Play “Hard Ball”
For as much as India made a big Bollywood show out of its recently reinvigorated relations with Russia and China, it drastically reduced its share of Russian weapons purchases by 42% over the past decade and remains adamantly opposed to BRI on the basis that CPEC runs through Pakistani territory that New Delhi claims as its own per its maximalist approach to the Kashmir Conflict. It’s already gone too far with American and “Israeli” arms imports to reverse the ongoing trend, and the US just beat out China to become India’s top trading partner, yet India wants to play “hard ball” at the exact moment when it’s most dependent on the US.
The only reason that this is happening is because Modi disastrously bungled India’s “balancing” act, while PM Khan executed his country’s own with the utmost perfection in order to become the global pivot state, a position that no one could reasonably doubt after Pakistan proved that it’s capable of proactively maintaining excellent relations with all relevant Great Powers without them being at the expense of one or the other. India’s “multi-alignment”, meanwhile, is always reactive and aimed against an implied third party, which defeats this policy’s very purpose and defiles the art of diplomacy.
Pakistan Pioneers The Proper “Balancing” Policy
Pakistan, having much more experience working with the US, understood exactly what Trump’s modus operandi was right away and therefore swiftly worked to advance the joint goal of brokering peace in Afghanistan once America signaled it was ready in order to relieve the Hybrid War pressure that was previously placed upon it. That was a refreshing surprise for the US since it had grown used to its rapprochement outreaches being rejected by Russia and China or taken advantage of by India in a naked attempt to get even more than what was originally offered, which explains why Trump took such an immediate personal liking to Prime Minister Khan.
There isn’t much that India can do about this either since it’s caught in a dilemma purely of Modi’s own making. The US, Russia, and China each know the dire situation that India is in, meaning that they’ll try to take maximum advantage of it depending on whichever one Modi turns to for relief from this predicament. Washington wants full capitulation on the military-economic fronts, while Moscow wants to regain its former standing in New Delhi’s arms market at Washington’s expense. Beijing, meanwhile, is eager to integrate India with BRI, which critics have warned could impede Modi’s signature “Make in India” industrialization plans.
Concluding Thoughts
India intended to be the “friend of all”, but ultimately ended up being trusted by none at all and made it vulnerable to being taken advantage of by everyone after Modi bungled its “multi-alignment” policy. Pakistan, on the other hand, succeeded in every way that India failed by proving that its possible to maintain excellent relations with the US, Russia, and China without these bilateral partnerships coming at anyone’s expense. Instead of Pakistan being the one that’s “isolated” like India always loves to claim, it’s none other than India itself which has been relegated to this position, with there being nobody to blame for this debacle but Modi.
Friendship? Talk to me when Trump helps you end FATF punishment for you.It's about terms kiddo.
1.Pakistan's wanted peaceful resolution in Afghanistan and wanted to keep Taliban relevant. Objective acquired
2. Pakistan wanted India out of Afghanistan as a main player. Objective acquired
3. Pakistan wanted to highlight Kashmir
Objective acquired
4. Pakistan wanted to humiliate chai waha
Objective acquired
5. Pakistan wanted US/Pak relation on strategic terms not tactical terms. Objective acquired
Bonus
Its indians vs Trump
We are getting the popcorns and watching Modi being choked in his own loud isolation anthem international level and internally.
Why any sane Pakistani would have a grudge against Trump now or US now?