Modernized by Turkey, Pakistan's Agosta 90B submarine to launch soon

[Areesh]

No. It was closed to our shores

Nope. You are wrong

PN has given gallantry awards to submariner for successfully operating in enemy waters

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Nope. You are wrong

PN has given gallantry awards to submariner for successfully operating in enemy waters

Any link to your claim?

 

[Areesh]

Any link to your claim?

Likewise, Pakistan Navy Submarines remained discreetly deployed in adversary areas to thwart enemy’s nefarious designs. In recognition of acts of gallantry and valour during the crisis, Captain Syed Ailya Hassan Pakistan Navy and Lieutenant Commander Humair Iftikhar were conferred with Sitara-i-Basalat and Lieutenant Commander Khurram Daud was awarded Tamgha-i-Basalat.

https://ispr.gov.pk/press-release-detail.php?id=5399

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

https://ispr.gov.pk/press-release-detail.php?id=5399

Oh wow. How can I miss this important news.

 

[Areesh]

Oh wow. How can I miss this important news.

And that was before upgradation of Augusta

 

[WarKa DaNG]

Choosing Turkey over France IMO is the best option, i dont think some of these system were offered to us by French

 

[CHI RULES]

Choosing Turkey over France IMO is the best option, i dont think some of these system were offered to us by French

As described French upgrades were expensive further perhaps French were not comfortable in fitting hi tech capabilities.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

We just need torpedos with 50+km range

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

I was saying China must have demanded PN to improve itself cuz of CPEC or else they(PN afsars) would've kept on languishing in their laziness.

Yaar please, we need to get out of the habit of talking down about everything.

Pakistans alliance with China goes back decades, right now China has a technological quality that is acceptable to Pakistan on a wider number of items. Please also remember, not everything is available to us in the west, whereas China gives us without technological limits.

Plus, even when the USA was the most powerful country in the world, it still needed allies to keep itself strong, e.g, NATO in Europe, Japan/Korea in East Asia, Australia, and few other examples. China has no permanent friends in this world except Pakistan, why wouldn't China want to see a strong Pakistan, it is in China's interest to help Pakistan as much as it can.

Also, remember Pakistan has a population of 226 million, the fifth-largest country in the world, likely to have over 400 million by the time it stops expanding, Pakistan will also be the largest Muslim country in the world by 2030, any major player in the world would want Pakistan on their side.

 

[peagle]

I was saying China must have demanded PN to improve itself cuz of CPEC or else they(PN afsars) would've kept on languishing in their laziness.

Sorry to be pedantic, But historically lack of access to sufficient funds or access to required technology does not equate to laziness. I know your heart is in the right place, hence, I did not want to reply, but sometimes little things are important.

Previously, the navy did not have enough funds because the nature of threat we faced was different so firstly land warfare, secondly air warfare was given preference over maritime warfare. So, the navy could not afford to get what they wanted.
Also, our only source of credible technology items were the western countries, and they strictly controlled and still do, what they give you and how you can use it, once given.

I am just asking that we develop a slightly more positive approach, criticism is great as that is how we discover our shortcomings, but it is also important to recognize the whole picture and not be critical blindly.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

With 11 Subs and other acquisitions in such a short timeframe, to me, it looks like Pakistan navy is preparing itself for offence. A proper defensive offence strategy, rather than a purely defensive one.

In a very short space of time, Pakistan will have a decent above and below surface capability, and all new stuff, not second-hand obsolete junk as previously. Plus, a credible shore-based missile offensive capability, soon to be backed up by heavier and much-improved air capability.

There is definitely something big happening during the 2030s, I do not think the navy will sit twiddling their thumbs after 2028, which is the last date for the Hangor class timeframe.

Once 2030 rolls around, the PN will likely need to think about a successor to the Agosta 90B. By 2040, the oldest sub of that line will be 40 years of age (and 20 years since this MLU). Plus, expanding the submarine fleet could even further (to offset India's large surface fleet and airpower) might be a thought too. Thus, a next-gen original submarine design could be a project for the 2030s.

 

[peagle]

Once 2030 rolls around, the PN will likely need to think about a successor to the Agosta 90B. By 2040, the oldest sub of that line will be 40 years of age (and 20 years since this MLU). Plus, expanding the submarine fleet could even further (to offset India's large surface fleet and airpower) might be a thought too. Thus, a next-gen original submarine design could be a project for the 2030s.

Once 2030 rolls around, the PN will likely need to think about a successor to the Agosta 90B. By 2040, the oldest sub of that line will be 40 years of age (and 20 years since this MLU). Plus, expanding the submarine fleet could even further (to offset India's large surface fleet and airpower) might be a thought too. Thus, a next-gen original submarine design could be a project for the 2030s.

You are very right with regard to below surface developments.

I believe the navy needs to keep alive its holistic capability development approach it has taken. The Arabian Sea is like a funnel flowing out into the Indian Ocean, I think it is around 2000km before it reaches the open spaces of the Indian Ocean.

They would definitely be looking to increase the range of shore-based missile capability, perhaps introducing anti-ship ballistic missiles.

Plus, it seems realistic for them to invest in air refueling capacity or create a merger to feed off the capability with the Air Force, providing a wider intercept capacity over the Arabian Sea.

Lastly, this one depends on economic developments; either the Pakistan Navy would further develop the Jinnah frigate project, plus a mature version of Azmat class or get right into a full-sized destroyer project.

Ideally, we need to reach the Trillion dollar economy size ASAP, which would open up a lot of opportunities for Pakistan. Turkey did it in the 2000s, managed to triple its GDP in a short space of 10 years, and few other countries have also managed initial speeded development in short timeframes, I am sure we can too, with proper reforms. Keep our heads down, bring peace in Afghanistan and keep reminding the Kashmiris we are with them, other than that, let everyone else kill themselves and concentrate on economic development. It is very possible.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The Sultan's submarines - named Abdul Hamid and Abdul Mejid (built in 1886). It was the first submarine to fire a torpedo (picture at the bottom) while being submerged....






https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_submarine_Abdül_Hamid

What the Sultan thought one and a half century back, the Muslim world thinks today...

Hence, I consider myself a Ma'nevi Ottoman under Sultan Abdul Hamid Han!! Hypothetically speaking, if a true Muslim is given a choice - live as an Ottoman under the Sultan, or live in any other of today's countries (Muslim and non-Muslim), what would he choose?????

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[TNT]

What made me happy is the selection of Turkish company instead of the french faggots. Pakistan should make sure not a single penny worth of defence related deals are made with french.

 

[cabatli_53]

Turkish submarine upgraded by Turkish institutes attract the attention of international sources. The Pakistani submarine will also carry same torpedo-defence decoy launcher system so We may see something similar to this on Agosta submarines !

This is the same system that is managed to blind German DM-2A4 torpedos in trials.