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MoD mulls downsizing Rafale contract

Yeah your figure looking realistic to me I was think same I was to wondering about 80 -120 million figure my self before posting it:p:p:p

Obviously it does, i'm good with numbers and estimation. :D
 
20 Billion USD, when translated into actuality = 7 Arihant type nuke submarines.....

Its big money for India which should give priority to its own manufacturing (defense) activities and save money on such humongous purchases....

India does not print hard currency. While US makes all its money by selling USD to 216 countries of the world.
It costs just 5 cents to print one 100 USD note/bill....
Too bad for India (UPA) which did this.
Good that its being revised by Modi who is more pragmatic.

Good decision overall in the national interest, which were lacking big time during the past GOI headed by white/foreigner...
Saab Offer to develop LCA project is looking more realistic to me now than this deal:D:D
 
As the French foreign minister Laurent Fabius met Indian political leadership, including prime minister Narendra Modi, pressing for sealing the multi-billion Rafale combat aircraft deal, New Delhi has raised serious concerns over the cost escalation of the fighter jet deal. Struggling to pay the heavy cost of the deal, the ministry of defence (MoD) is considering an option of down-sizing the deal from 126 to 80 fighter jets.



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i guess french will again pay the price of there greediness and chances are NaMo sarkar will give more wieght to swedish offer on LCA
 
First of all Rafale is not for PAF we have enough in our Inventory to thrash paf anyday secondly we have seen many such BS article everday few day back nexus btw armlobist's and media was uncovered.

bit optimism their. Same mentality cost IAF to lose badly in 65 and 71 in air war. More IAF planes were lost to smaller PAF.
 
Why send 20 Billion USD to a foreign country when the Indian economy has hit rock bottom? 20 Billion USD is a serious cash and must be spent wisely, preferably on project which might create jobs and technologies in India. India is not a National Security State, we need to prioritize our spending.

Indian armed forces must learn to accept and adopt "Made in India". Tejas and other Indian systems have a bright future, let us keep developing them further.

bit optimism their. Same mentality cost IAF to lose badly in 65 and 71 in air war. More IAF planes were lost to smaller PAF.

More number of IAF planes launched attacks deep inside the enemy territories than the PAF. IAF dominated over the enemy skies. You know defender's advantage? Besides, we do know the outcome don't we?
 
You took everything of it's face value, isn't? Even F-35 was supposed to be priced at $80 million, before swelling up to $235 million per piece. And you're routing for the price of an aircraft which doesn't even have a production model yet.

Even the Chinese struggled for 2 decades to make a working jet engine, what makes you think Indians are special or better than the rest?

Being a scientist (of much lesser grade, of course), we know how much delays some simple change in parameters can cause. It's very easy to sit behind a computer, and rant on 'We can do this, we can do that', rather than going out and doing it.

F-35 price will come down with time... there are not many f-35 currently around the world... small quantity production are always costly in per unit term them then mass production cost...
and about chinese ... may be indian are not better but i am sure our intelligence level is as par with Chinese or british or any other race....(Though I consider Indians to be better then all..) but it was reverse engineering that made chinese possible crack the forbidden codes of aircraft engine ... but we indian try to act saner.. if we had done some reverse engineering with the product then we would have had a engine by now... our kaveri engine is not bad but only it had a bit of lower thrust... kaveri will work good with sub sonic planes but not with supersonic...
India need to reverse engineer the foreign tech to come at par with their standard..... and ofcourse have some credible workforce.. by removing the quota system in these places and paying them well...

Sir we have few more projects if you remember such As Amca will also cost Us huge money if we make it a by ourselves just like in LCA are plan to Induct it in same time frame of FGFA or year later plus Indegenous Nuclear power AC and SSBN's sir we have have so much in hand that it will be a hurrculian task for MOD to pull out these ambitious project all at once what is yours opinion?
look buddy, I am no Sir, don't call me that..(It make me feel as if I have aged a lot..)..
Hmm... AMCA will definitely going to cost us a lot but not as much as rafale or FGFA or any other foreign plane... LCA cost is meager 26 million a piece.. and I am sure AMCA will not cost us more than 55-60 million a piece will all modern tech which will be either home made or will be procured form foreign vendors... + if we are going to waste this huge amount on foreign fighters ... from where on earth we will bring money for indigenous R&D and production... Do, u think after spending huge 50-70 Billions on fgfa and rafale deal any money will be left for these fighters... no country can be a power house form imports. we need home grown products.... we need more money in our own R&D and research... that will only help us in future.... even in warlike scenario we can't import planes from foreign nation... what we will do then...
 
As the French foreign minister Laurent Fabius met Indian political leadership, including prime minister Narendra Modi, pressing for sealing the multi-billion Rafale combat aircraft deal, New Delhi has raised serious concerns over the cost escalation of the fighter jet deal. Struggling to pay the heavy cost of the deal, the ministry of defence (MoD) is considering an option of down-sizing the deal from 126 to 80 fighter jets.

According to officials, who are privy to the development, defence ministry has asked the French government to revise the price structure because the deal has gone much beyond the expected lines. And during course of negotiations with the Dassault, which manufactures Rafale jets, the defence ministry has been asking for price revision. Due to difference of opinion, the cost negotiation committee, which was set up in February 2012 to work out the modalities for the deal, has not been able reach conclusion and the committee is yet to submit its report to the ministry.

Officials claim that in 2007, when the tender was floated, the cost of the programme was $12 billion. When the lowest bidder was declared in January 2012, the cost of the deal shot up to $18 billion (Rs1.08 lakh crore). And now with inclusion of transfer of technology, life cycle cost and creating assembly line, the deal has virtually cross whopping $20 billion.

A top official told dna that if the government signs the deal in the next couple of months, it has to pay advance payment of at least $1.5-2 billion (Rs.9- 12,000 crore) to Dassault. And for the newly-elected BJP-led NDA government will have to compromise on other defence equipment, as major chunk of defence budget will go in for the advance payment. And it is also believed to understand that new government is also not comfortable with the life cycle cost method adopted by the previous UPA-II government and even a senior BJP leader and former finance minister Yashwant Sinha had objected to the life cycle criteria.

"Cost escalations and disagreements over production sharing with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited(HAL) has led to the delay in freezing the contract. French have been asked to re-look at the price factor,"said an officer.

IAF officials maintain even if the deal is signed by the end this year, first lot of Rafale aircraft will arrive India by 2017. And by the time, IAF has to phase out its MiG 21 squadrons.

The air force is seeking to replace its ageing MiG-21s with a modern fighter and MMRCA fits between India's hig-end Sukhoi-30MKIs and its low-end Tejas LCA lightweight fighter. The IAF has a sanctioned strength of 45 fighter jet squadrons. However, it only has 30 squadrons operational as old aircraft have been retired.

Eighteen of the 126 planes will be purchased directly from Dassault, while Hindustan Aeronautics Limited will manufacture the other 108 under a licence, at an upcoming facility in Bangalore.

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If current Indian Government investigates they will find out that huge corruption is involved in this project they have either taken bribes or done some thing else Man who would choose Rafale over Euro Fighter and Even F-16 Block 52 for GOD sake the choice made it clear from day one some thing fishy is going on
 
Guys...This is just a fake and headless news...In couple of months everything will be clear.
 
Saab Offer to develop LCA project is looking more realistic to me now than this deal:D:D

Swedes are better than French (Have lived in Skandinavia)
They could not sell Gripen in 80's because of US engine.
Your thinking is at par with me on this.
My "thank" is delivered to your doorsteps via drone :)
 
If current Indian Government investigates they will find out that huge corruption is involved in this project they have either taken bribes or done some thing else Man who would choose Rafale over Euro Fighter and Even F-16 Block 52 for GOD sake the choice made it clear from day one some thing fishy is going on

Except Raffy & EFT, all other planes (Mig-35, Gripen, F/A-18SH, F-16) were eliminated based on capability/performance/requirements grounds (understandable).

Among the two entities shortlisted based on capability, Rafale was chosen on cost grounds as L1 bidder (again
understandable, everyone knows Raffy costs less than EFT). Now, one should know that being "shortlisted" means
that the particular planes meet all capability-based requirements as desired by IAF.

What appears fishy to you here?
 
Except Raffy & EFT, all other planes (Mig-35, Gripen, F/A-18SH, F-16) were eliminated based on capability/performance/requirements grounds (understandable).

Among the two entities shortlisted based on capability, Rafale was chosen on cost grounds as L1 bidder (again
understandable, everyone knows Raffy costs less than EFT). Now, one should know that being "shortlisted" means
that the particular planes meet all capability-based requirements as desired by IAF.

What appears fishy to you here?
Rafale better than BLOCK 52 and MIG 35 you gotta be kidding Mr the selection of the Rafale is enough to tell something seriously went wrong
 
Rafale better than BLOCK 52 and MIG 35 you gotta be kidding Mr the selection of the Rafale is enough to tell something seriously went wrong

Yes, something has seriously went wrong with your brain.

On what grounds do you call MiG-35 and Blk-60+ (not Blk-52) better than Rafale?
 
Rafale better than BLOCK 52 and MIG 35 you gotta be kidding Mr the selection of the Rafale is enough to tell something seriously went wrong
and from since u became a expert on these matter....
don't u think the people sitting in MOD and IAF headquarter are more eligible than u on these matter....
 
Yes, something has seriously went wrong with your brain.
On what grounds do you call MiG-35 and Blk-60+ (not Blk-52) better than Rafale?
F16 is operated by pakistan. Also it is the class of planes pAF cannot afford.

So rafale is inferior to f16
 
F16 is operated by pakistan. Also it is the class of planes pAF cannot afford.

So rafale is inferior to f16

Yes, that is how they're reasoning appears to be.

But I must admire Pakistan's capability to build production lines that churn out such mindless trolls at am amazing
pace. Often producing several hundred per year.
 

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