Missile Strike Above LOC

[PakAlp]

I am very confused by the Pakistan narrative after reading all your comments.

We have been stating since February 27th we shot 2 Indian planes using Jf17 and SD10a missile. For us this was an eye opener because we successfully tested our future defence fighter aircraft.

If both kills were done by f16 block 52 then why weren't the bigger numbered defence fighter Jf17 used in the engagement and on top our military confirmed f16 was not used as it is stationed far away from the border and Jf17 was used since it has become our defence fighter.

Can somebody please clarify this
@airomerix
@Windjammer
@Jango

 

[Ultima Thule]

You do know nothing about technicalities of BVR, and you're just a jester/clown who come here only for baseless troll, 50 km is nothing for F-16 if Our f-16 engaged afterburner its reaches LOC within seconds @Mace

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

At the time of air battle our F-16 were doing CAP well inside Pakistani airspace (50 KM) at this range AMRAAM become fire and forget weapon, means it will not needed further data link updates and zoom for kill (seeker directly lock on to the target) and you're shouting a gibberish not me you Indiot @Mace


Where is the proof, that our F-16 were at the LOC, at close ranges AMRAAM become fire forget weapon means its not needed further data link update from launch jet, you indiot @Mace

Had hogaye yr

I am very confused by the Pakistan narrative after reading all your comments.

We have been stating since February 27th we shot 2 Indian planes using Jf17 and SD10a missile. For us this was an eye opener because we successfully tested our future defence fighter aircraft.

If both kills were done by f16 block 52 then why weren't the bigger numbered defence fighter Jf17 used in the engagement and on top our military confirmed f16 was not used as it is stationed far away from the border and Jf17 was used since it has become our defence fighter.

Can somebody please clarify this
@airomerix
@Windjammer
@Jango

It not probably true that block 52s were used. Yes F 16s downed both indian jets as they were the main escorts. But JF 17 thunder did took part in the mission alongwith Mirages

 

[Ultima Thule]

Had hogaye yr

What ???? @Syed Hammad Ahmed

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

What ???? @Syed Hammad Ahmed

Kitne baar batana parega ke F 16s ne hi dono jahaz giraye

 

[Ultima Thule]

It not probably true that block 52s were used. Yes F 16s downed both indian jets as they were the main escorts. But JF 17 thunder did took part in the mission alongwith Mirages

and Don't troll brother F-16 doing CAP well inside Pakistani airspace as per DGISPR first press conference no F-16 were used in Strike package (attack formations) @Syed Hammad Ahmed

Kitne baar batana parega ke F 16s ne hi dono jahaz giraye

ok but if they were on escort for strike Package then why they Used AMRAAM, at least 1 target was the range of short range air to air missile (sidewinder) (Abhi Mig-21) if your theories are correct, which is wrong according to DGISPR @Syed Hammad Ahmed

 

[CriticalThought]

Thank you!

Both the targets shot on 27th were a result of AMRAAM's lofting to a certain degree.



Atleast he concedes that AMRAAM depicts behavior of snapping up. (After he hurled abuses which are conveniently ignored by Mods and yourself)

The question of snapping down doesn't exist with AMRAAM and neither was Feb 27 an event where the missile was launched at close range.

I asked someone about AMRAAM being launched at a close range and he said to me; "The pilot who launches AMRAAM at a range of lesser than 15 nm doesn't deserve the cockpit".

And mind you this guy is a seasoned viper pilot currently stationed at Sargodha.

You have an amateurish attitude towards words you hear from highly trained professionals. When the pilot says firing AMRAAM at less than 10nm doesn't deserve being in the cockpit, he is talking about the 90% of cases. You take those words, and you treat them as lines in stone, not realizing that actual war is unpredictable and that same pilot will go FOX 3 at WVR range if that is what's needed to save his as*.

Until messiach confirmed, we did not have any credible information on the Su-30 kill. Which should make it obvious to yourself that your credibility is non-existent at this point. If you attempt to gain credibility through intellectually dishonest means, you will only make a fool of yourself.

 

[jaybird]

You have an amateurish attitude towards words you hear from highly trained professionals. When the pilot says firing AMRAAM at less than 10nm doesn't deserve being in the cockpit, he is talking about the 90% of cases. You take those words, and you treat them as lines in stone, not realizing that actual war is unpredictable and that same pilot will go FOX 3 at WVR range if that is what's needed to save his as*.

Until messiach confirmed, we did not have any credible information on the Su-30 kill. Which should make it obvious to yourself that your credibility is non-existent at this point. If you attempt to gain credibility through intellectually dishonest means, you will only make a fool of yourself.

Very true with this statement. In real war pilots will use whatever missiles to win the air battle. As in this case with the U.S pilot shooting down Syrian combat aircraft WVR in 2017 with AIM-120 AMRAAM after AIM-9X Sidewinder missed.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/mi...-us-navy-pilot-shot-down-a-syrian-combat-jet/

Tremel moved to intercept the Syrian jet, and flew overhead discharging anti-missile flares, hoping the Syrian Air Force Su-22 “Fitter” strike aircraft would back off. But instead of backing off the Su-22 dropped two bombs on friendly positions. Tremel first launched an AIM-9X Sidewinder—which missed—and then fired a AIM-120 AMRAAM medium-range missile. The Fitter exploded, and Tremel’s aircraft ended up flying through the debris field. The Syrian pilot survived the shootdown, parachuting to the ground.

 

[CriticalThought]

Furthermore, AIM120 has a boost motor (as opposed to a boost-sustain motor) and thus NEEDS to climb to store kinetic energy into potential energy.

Also, please don't argue too much here, it's rather pointless. One of the people you are arguing with once opened a thread saying the reason bombs aren't dropped from high-altitudes is because "the gravity is too low and they hit the aircraft" lol.

Boost vs boost-sustainer is a topic of debate and could very well depend on which block the missile belongs to, per discussion on F-16.net.

I'd like to see that thread if you have a link.

 

[JamD]

Boost vs boost-sustainer is a topic of debate and could very well depend on which block the missile belongs to, per discussion on F-16.net.

I'd like to see that thread if you have a link.

C5 carried by our blk52s is boost only.

I intentionally did not name the member and therefore have no intention of sharing the link. You are welcome to search the forum.

 

[TsAr]

https://idrw.org/game-changer-aim-1...ar-stupidy-and-bad-name-to-the-weapon-system/

Another crap article by the Indians

 

[BRAVO_]

i think it is a useless discussion that what aircraft was used to take down the indian jets ... we should look toward the final results .... and moral of story is ... on 27th feb pakistan nailed IAF, after all all aircraft in the inventory are suppose to be utilized incase of any aggression ... so lets chill

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Pakistanis are still not clear about their own narrative of what happened even till date. There is confusion till this day in the narrative. It started with claiming capture of two pilots which claim was later changed to one. Clearly Pakistan is hiding some important facts about what actually happened on the 27th.

 

[Vapnope]

Pakistanis are still not clear about their own narrative of what happened even till date. There is confusion till this day in the narrative. It started with claiming capture of two pilots which claim was later changed to one. Clearly Pakistan is hiding some important facts about what actually happened on the 27th.

The last straw Indians clutching is "Where is the second pilot"?
meanwhile this is what you have shown the world as a proof,
1- Blurry satellite images of Madrassa
2 - A spent Aim120c5
3 - MS Paint picture as an electronic signature of F16 shot down

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

The last straw Indians clutching is "Where is the second pilot"?
meanwhile this is what you have shown the world as a proof,
1- Blurry satellite images of Madrassa
2 - A spent Aim120c5
3 - MS Paint picture as an electronic signature of F16 shot down

Proofs provided for our claims may not be sufficient, I agree with you there but at least the narrative is standard. It's not changing again and again.