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misfortune of Pakistan - Why are we beggers ?

ust look at the number of poor in Pakistan now,expected to increase to more than half of population with 35 million people suffering.
And for your burning desire enjoy this!
'India has more rich people than poor now' - Indicators - Economy - News - The Economic Times


Google it:India has more rich than poor now..
AHH! i m happy and sad for your country's present condition.


SHHH before you criticize Pakistan, I think India needs to solve its toliet problem.

India Failing to Control Open Defecation Blunts Nation?s Growth - Bloomberg

Pakistan may be poor...but at least it is not covered in Sh!t....if you know what I mean.
 
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Just look at the number of poor in Pakistan now,expected to increase to more than half of population with 35 million people suffering.
And for your burning desire enjoy this!
'India has more rich people than poor now' - Indicators - Economy - News - The Economic Times

:bunny::flame:
Google it:India has more rich than poor now..
AHH! i m happy and sad for your country's present condition.

considering how irrelevant your post was, I am guessing the number of dumb ***** is far greater in India as well.

Here boy, go climb a poll, this thread ain't for you.
 
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Just look at the number of poor in Pakistan now,expected to increase to more than half of population with 35 million people suffering.
And for your burning desire enjoy this!
'India has more rich people than poor now' - Indicators - Economy - News - The Economic Times

:bunny::flame:
Google it:India has more rich than poor now..
AHH! i m happy and sad for your country's present condition.

I thought you learn your lesson the last time when you got banned for trolling.
I suggest you leave unless you wish to be banned again :coffee:
 
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and Pakistan Poverty rate is much lower then India GreenStar.

51% for Pakistan and 55% for India and that too in 2005. All of us know the trajectory of economy in both our countries post that year.. Dont we?
 
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Karen what are the latest figures....I know its going off topic, But I am just curious. I think Pakistan has more Poverty in Percentage wise, because of the Earthquake and flooding's that have happened in the last 5 years.
 
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The floods have not destroyed Pakistan, but the PPP that's another story altogether.

Pakistan: Assessing the Tragedy
26 Aug 2010 02:06 PM PDT

The floods in Pakistan have affected one-fifth of the country (an area roughly the size of England) and engulfed large parts of all four provinces—Punjab, Balochistan, Sindh, and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (formerly the North West Frontier Province). The vast scope of the damage makes this a truly national disaster bearing long-term economic and political consequences for the whole country. With waters still rising, it is far too early to assess the economic costs, which will continue to mount. A proper assessment will be made in time by the government of Pakistan, assisted by the United Nations and the World Bank, but some indicators already allow for a preliminary and admittedly impressionistic view of the damage.

The immediate impact on the population is truly staggering—20 million people affected with 8 million in need of water, food, and shelter; 1,500 to 2,000 killed; 4 million left homeless; and 15 million displaced. The devastation has hit virtually all sectors of the economy. The Pakistan government estimates total economic damage to be near $15 billion, or about 10 percent of GDP. Damage to infrastructure alone (roads, power plants, telecommunications, dams and irrigation systems, and schools and health clinics) amounts to around $10 billion. Agriculture, which represents 25 percent of the Pakistan economy and provides employment to 50 percent of the workforce, was extremely hard hit. At least 30 percent of the cotton crop has washed away, which is bound to devastate the textile industry, the mainstay of Pakistani manufacturing and exports. Adding to this is the loss of wheat, rice, and maize crops, and about 10 million head of livestock. Altogether agricultural production this year could fall by as much as 15 percent. Even next year’s production is likely to show a further decline because the spring wheat crop that needs to be planted in October–December this year will not be possible.

The overall growth of real GDP, which prior to the floods was projected to be in the 3 to 4 percent range for 2010, will now turn negative. Estimates of the fall in real GDP are in the 2 to 5 percent range, although it is conceivable that the decline could be far greater as more information on the losses of both physical assets and production becomes available. Reconstruction activity could provide some boost to the growth rate, but it is likely that any positive effects will only show up in 2011 and beyond, and even then it may not be sufficient to bring the growth rate back to the 2009 level of 4 percent for several years.

Inflation, which is already in double digits, will rise with the increase in food prices and the destruction of the food supply distribution networks. Furthermore, the government will need to finance the reconstruction effort, and absent sufficient foreign assistance and the inability to divert domestic revenues toward reconstruction, the increased expenditures will necessarily widen the fiscal deficit to well above the government’s budget target of 6 percent for this year. As is customary in Pakistan, this deficit will be financed by borrowing from the central bank, leading to an expansion of the money supply, pushing inflation higher. Indeed inflation could very easily touch 20 percent by the end of this year. Clearly a dismal macroeconomic scenario of negative growth and high inflation is unfolding. The current IMF program, which was already in serious trouble before the floods, will have to be abandoned and a new program based on a completely different economic reality will have to be negotiated. The United States aid program, under the five-year Kerry-Lugar Bill, will also now need to be reframed, with front-loading of the aid to speed up relief and reconstruction work.

The political consequences of the floods are no less dire. Since Pakistan’s provinces are largely language-based and contain different ethnic groups, they are riven by tensions that sometimes erupt into violent conflicts. Adding to these are sectarian conflicts and bloodshed, concentrated in central and southern Punjab, between the Shia and the Sunni, which are also certain to be exacerbated by the economic hardships resulting from the floods. The central government led by the Pakistan Peoples’ Party (PPP) of President Asif Ali Zardari is weak and often seen as ineffective. But it may survive the turmoil caused by the floods if the opposition remains divided on regional grounds, and the largest opposition group, former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s Muslim League, remains largely a Punjabi party. This is Pakistani politics as usual. And as the politicians bicker and fight, the army’s position in the polity strengthens and it gains more public support for its flood relief activities.

The country’s weak central coalition government, often accused of inefficiency and corruption, will need to prove its ability to manage the flow of flood-related aid and ensure that it is equitably distributed and effectively used at the provincial level. The government has been loath to decide quickly on tough political and economic issues. In the face of a rising insurgency on its western border and militancy in the heartland, it has often ceded the ground to its military. Even weaker coalition provincial governments will face a similar task of managing the flood relief and reconstruction, while clamoring for more of their share of resources as they seek to align with the central political leadership of President Asif Ali Zardari’s party to that end.

The floods have dealt Pakistan a severe body blow while it was still reeling from the economic crisis, political infighting, and the war against terror. The diversion of resources and attention to the flood relief and reconstruction work will undoubtedly affect social spending and the drive against the Pakistani Taliban, whose fighters have been dislocated from their tribal bases in the Northwest Frontier region and have taken the war back into the Pakistani hinterland.

How quickly the country recovers from the floods will depend not on the generosity of foreign donors, although this will be important, but on the ability of the Pakistan government to generate the domestic resources and public support to undertake massive reconstruction. Even if all goes well, it will still take several years for full recovery to be achieved. If not, the country will limp along in a semi-crisis state both economically and politically, an undesirable prospect for Pakistan and for the world.

Mohsin Khan is Senior Fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington DC. Shuja Nawaz is a director of the South Asia Center at the Atlantic Council of the United States in Washington DC
 
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the army’s position in the polity strengthens and it gains more public support for its flood relief activities

this does not portend well for the civilian govt at fed and provincial levels!
 
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Karen what are the latest figures....I know its going off topic, But I am just curious. I think Pakistan has more Poverty in Percentage wise, because of the Earthquake and flooding's that have happened in the last 5 years.

Whatever the figures are,they are not good,for both the countries....Its a shame for us in South Asia...Look at Japan,Germany,England,France..All these countries were literally destroyed during the Second World War.But it is these countries which are considered to be the developed countries.What did we do,with so much of man power,resources and potential??Small words,big question..

To hell with the politics of short term goals,we need a Magna carta of our own,something some people in an island with no place more than 75 miles from the sea did about 700-800 years ago and ruled almost half of the World at one point of time...It is unfortunate to note that we lack that spirit even at this date....
 
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the army’s position in the polity strengthens and it gains more public support for its flood relief activities

this does not portend well for the civilian govt at fed and provincial levels!


It does nto portend well for anybody, not even the armed forces. Personalities are not the problem - the problem is deeper, more fundamental.

Will there be any kind of fact finding inquiry once the water recede some? Your dime will get you a dollar, if there is one and that government negligence is high lighted as making the floods worse.

There is a Mohsin Sethi piece on the thread, it makes for sad but eye opening reading.
 
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Hi, sorry for being out of context here but we all know three years ago Pakistan's foreign loans were very low and Pakistan use give aid and write off loans.
Pakistan currency was very strong and development projects were a normal routine.
Begging is always the way to go by the corrupt and anti state political leaders.
 
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Whatever the figures are,they are not good,for both the countries....Its a shame for us in South Asia...Look at Japan,Germany,England,France..All these countries were literally destroyed during the Second World War.But it is these countries which are considered to be the developed countries.What did we do,with so much of man power,resources and potential??Small words,big question..

To hell with the politics of short term goals,we need a Magna carta of our own,something some people in an island with no place more than 75 miles from the sea did about 700-800 years ago and ruled almost half of the World at one point of time...It is unfortunate to note that we lack that spirit even at this date....

My sentiments exactly. A few basis points up or down for India or Pakistan are good for scoring pot shots here, but on the ground, a large majority of people on both sides of the border live in pathetic conditions.

India has made some good progress in last 5-8 years and the results will be visible in next census.

Pakistan was going great guns as well till 2007, but last 3 years have messed up the ride quite a bit. Hopefully this terrorist menance will be sorted soon.
 
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the army’s position in the polity strengthens and it gains more public support for its flood relief activities

this does not portend well for the civilian govt at fed and provincial levels!

What is the worth of such civilians government anyway???
 
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PPP totally lost, shameless , Sharmila totally lost, try become romantic to divert Luckman attention . But Luckman playing shots in all direction like Garry Sobers.
 
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