Mirage, F-7PG and other combat aircrafts

[nomi007]

View attachment 24730 GIFTED BY TURKISH AIR FORCE
hope they also gift f-4 phantom for the @
cabatli_53

 

[nomi007]

 

[fatman17]

 

[fatman17]

 

[fatman17]

 

[nomi007]

A pair of PAF F-7PGs were photographed with a load of fuel tanks and AIM-9L AAMs

 

[Jf Thunder]

View attachment 23683

whuts happening to the plane?

 

[araz]

Although PAF had been facing many problems in the past but they should have at least produced F-7s on their own with Chinese and EU assistance at PAC starting from 1988 and sell or give away free of cost some 150 F-6/FT-6 to BAF.

Like producing 100 F-7P and 30 FT-7P and later on 100 F-7PG and 30 FT-7PG. The trainers will phase out FT-6.

You have not listened to any advice. You are babbling on like a fool and you will get banned again. Listen to me again please!! PAF/PAC does not have enough money to produce what it is producing. Do you want it to go bankrupt trying to produce something which should really be retired. Why then do we not produce the mustangs or the messerschmidts of the past? they were lovely planes. Please have some thought behind your post. For the last time we do not have the money to produce JFT and are begging left right and center to get the funds.
Araz

 

[Battle Axe]

Won't it be prudent for PAF to ground ageing Mirages now, especially Mirage III aircrafts, they are a huge cost to maintain and then, there is no foreseeable conflict that involves us extensively bombing somewhere with Mirages. The F-7Ps can stay in to make numbers while the Mirages should just be shifted down to war time assets.

And the saved bucks can go to expanding the production facilities in Kamra to atleast 50 A/C per year, which we are capable of but are producing a hardly 20-30. Time to see the money bring spent on Mirages go into JFT Block II, however minuscule if may be as on future, we see limited area conflicts, these mirages will hardly play a role.

And these used F-16s come cheap and as worthy as our JFTs if not more, so probably we should take this number to 100, backed up by JFTs and F-7P for the time, which too should go when JFT someday reaches the 250 mark.

 

[fatman17]

Won't it be prudent for PAF to ground ageing Mirages now, especially Mirage III aircrafts, they are a huge cost to maintain and then, there is no foreseeable conflict that involves us extensively bombing somewhere with Mirages. The F-7Ps can stay in to make numbers while the Mirages should just be shifted down to war time assets.

And the saved bucks can go to expanding the production facilities in Kamra to atleast 50 A/C per year, which we are capable of but are producing a hardly 20-30. Time to see the money bring spent on Mirages go into JFT Block II, however minuscule if may be as on future, we see limited area conflicts, these mirages will hardly play a role.

And these used F-16s come cheap and as worthy as our JFTs if not more, so probably we should take this number to 100, backed up by JFTs and F-7P for the time, which too should go when JFT someday reaches the 250 mark.

its one way but we cannot reduce significantly the number of front-line sqdns. it has to be gradual.

 

[Battle Axe]

its one way but we cannot reduce significantly the number of front-line sqdns. it has to be gradual.

Just wishing JFT production Godspeed!

 

[nomi007]

whuts happening to the plane?

image i posted is latest not many

 

[Windjammer]

whuts happening to the plane?

It's firing it's twin 30mm cannons.

 

[Najam Khan]

Won't it be prudent for PAF to ground ageing Mirages now, especially Mirage III aircrafts, they are a huge cost to maintain and then, there is no foreseeable conflict that involves us extensively bombing somewhere with Mirages. The F-7Ps can stay in to make numbers while the Mirages should just be shifted down to war time assets.

And the saved bucks can go to expanding the production facilities in Kamra to atleast 50 A/C per year, which we are capable of but are producing a hardly 20-30. Time to see the money bring spent on Mirages go into JFT Block II, however minuscule if may be as on future, we see limited area conflicts, these mirages will hardly play a role.

And these used F-16s come cheap and as worthy as our JFTs if not more, so probably we should take this number to 100, backed up by JFTs and F-7P for the time, which too should go when JFT someday reaches the 250 mark.

Retiring old air frame just because they are appearing expensive on paper is so easy task in reality. Leave an aircraft type a side, disbanding a squadron is itself a gigantic task. Planning is required to move its assets (whether its aircraft/weapons/fuel stores/aircraft spares, squadron office inventory/assigned vehicles/ground power units etc.) and people into other squadrons depending upon need of those assets in unit where they are transferred. This all takes months, same goes for planning for induction of new squadron.

Plus, retiring old air frames is directly proportional to achieving the set minimum deterrence (read doctrine) with adversary. Mirages are still good to serve 5+ years easily; Expense is not given much weight when it is required to maintain a set number of operational aircraft at any cost. Ever wonder why F-6 was put in service till 2002, clearly its era was long gone by 90s. Same goes for B-57s, F-86E etc.

Mirages are the need of PAF and she will continue to spend to maintain her strength in strike role; clearly the procurement of more F-16s and JF-17 programme shall complement mirages and will slowly take the major role from them but this change will take at least 6+ years more.

 

[Battle Axe]

Retiring old air frame just because they are appearing expensive on paper is so easy task in reality. Leave an aircraft type a side, disbanding a squadron is itself a gigantic task. Planning is required to move its assets (whether its aircraft/weapons/fuel stores/aircraft spares, squadron office inventory/assigned vehicles/ground power units etc.) and people into other squadrons depending upon need of those assets in unit where they are transferred. This all takes months, same goes for planning for induction of new squadron.

Plus, retiring old air frames is directly proportional to achieving the set minimum deterrence (read doctrine) with adversary. Mirages are still good to serve 5+ years easily; Expense is not given much weight when it is required to maintain a set number of operational aircraft at any cost. Ever wonder why F-6 was put in service till 2002, clearly its era was long gone by 90s. Same goes for B-57s, F-86E etc.

Mirages are the need of PAF and she will continue to spend to maintain her strength in strike role; clearly the procurement of more F-16s and JF-17 programme shall complement mirages and will slowly take the major role from them but this change will take at least 6+ years more.

Can these Mirages really fulfill their job description, say for the sake of wargaming, it's a war in 2018 and we need to strike deep in India?

And sanctioned strength: I know it's not but shouldn't that be an evolving number. IAF, for instance is operating well below that number.

Admitted that's it's an arduous task but won't it eventually ease things out with just 3 types of Aircrafts to maintain? Can't 3 new squadrons of JFT fill in for them and then likely any future conflict is going to be a limited one and not an all-out war.