Military State!

[Rank]

How many countries under military rule?

Policy making Military:

USA (pentagon)
Pakistan (GHQ)

?

 

[GURU DUTT]

i dint get your point kindly explain thanks

 

[Rank]

i dint get your point kindly explain thanks

My point is whatever we have seen on TV (mostly Govt officials) saying we are doing this... we are doing that... but actually they are not doing anything because policy making under military behind the scene.

In Pakistan Establishment (military) make Pakistan foreign policy. Same in USA, Govt officials mostly say what Pentagon want. US Govt official statements 95% same as Pentagon

I want to know how many countries under Military rule... i remember few years back ... Turkey as well!

 

[HZR2011]

Forgot Egypt???? Which has military rule currently??

 

[GURU DUTT]

Actually to my knowledge internal & foriegn policy of any country is infuenced by their intelligance & establishment(read security egencies)and thers nothing wrong with it problem start when they interfear in each & every decesion & try to control it their job ends till they give recomendation to the elected govt but if they force it then things start to crumble & pakistan is a perfect example of that my opologies if any one thinks im wrong

 

[anon45]

My point is whatever we have seen on TV (mostly Govt officials) saying we are doing this... we are doing that... but actually they are not doing anything because policy making under military behind the scene.

In Pakistan Establishment (military) make Pakistan foreign policy. Same in USA, Govt officials mostly say what Pentagon want. US Govt official statements 95% same as Pentagon

I want to know how many countries under Military rule... i remember few years back ... Turkey as well!

Huh? You got your order backwards re: the pentagon. Its not the politicians saying what the generals want them to say, its the generals saying what the politicians want them to say... usually. Open disagreement tends to be a sign of retiring from higher military posts.

The US military has, since close to its inception, been getting the final order from civilians, i.e. Congress and the president. This is enshrined in the constitution, and military folks tend to take their role in the constitution alot more seriously than most (dead seriously in fact, as this is part of their vows), as well as tending to lean right in the spectrum of politics.

That is not to say A former general can't be the civilian head, and Presidents actually tend to have a military history, but at the end of the day it is the president and congress that order the military, as it has always been in the US.

 

[Leader]

How many countries under military rule?

Policy making Military:

USA (pentagon)
Pakistan (GHQ)

?

top ten military states or maybe more...

 

[Leader]

Huh? You got your order backwards re: the pentagon. Its not the politicians saying what the generals want them to say, its the generals saying what the politicians want them to say... usually. Open disagreement tends to be a sign of retiring from higher military posts.

The US military has, since close to its inception, been getting the final order from civilians, i.e. Congress and the president. This is enshrined in the constitution, and military folks tend to take the constitution alot more seriously than most, as well as tending to lean right in the spectrum of politics.

CIA

WMD

Iraq

Civilian Bush.

Republicans


Q: kindly make a sentence using these words !!

 

[anon45]

CIA

WMD

Iraq

Civilian Bush.

Republicans


Q: kindly make a sentence using these words !!

Alright,with a few small changes and very dumbed down... the CIA, a non-military organization, gave the civilian President Bush, who happened to be elected under the Republican platform, suspected evidence of WMD production in Iraq. After deliberating on the issue the civilian President George Bush Jr., with congressional approval, gave the order to the military to invade and occupy Iraq with the objective for the military being the removal of the Iraqi government, particularly its head, Saddam Hussein.

 

[Tshering22]

My point is whatever we have seen on TV (mostly Govt officials) saying we are doing this... we are doing that... but actually they are not doing anything because policy making under military behind the scene.

In Pakistan Establishment (military) make Pakistan foreign policy. Same in USA, Govt officials mostly say what Pentagon want. US Govt official statements 95% same as Pentagon

I want to know how many countries under Military rule... i remember few years back ... Turkey as well!

Pentagon is not in command of US. The US structure is such that large private defense contractors are having big say in political foreign policy of the nation. President coordinates between these two parties and forms a concrete national policy. It is different that Obama is a weak president, but you won't be saying the same thing about presidents like Reagan and Nixon.

US economics and foreign policy are too entwined for military to consider a control as the corporatist setup gives benefits to both military (through cutting edge weapons) and defense contractors (billions in profits).

 

[Rank]

Alright,with a few small changes and very dumbed down... the CIA, a non-military organization, gave the civilian President Bush, who happened to be elected under the Republican platform, suspected evidence of WMD production in Iraq. After deliberating on the issue the civilian President George Bush Jr., with congressional approval, gave the order to the military to invade and occupy Iraq with the objective for the military being the removal of the Iraqi government, particularly its head, Saddam Hussein.

bit off topic but why US allowed Isreal why not US strike over Israel for WMD ?

Two questions, how you will justify Israel will not use against muslim countries ?
Second question, how you will justify Iraq will use against anyone ?

sorry for bit off topic but my question remain how many countries under Military rule!

 

[jdme]

LOL at US being military state. At best, it can be called a corporate state. Military works for them, not the other way around. In Pakistan, military itself is corporation. Big difference.

 

[Rank]

LOL at US being military state. At best, it can be called a corporate state. Military works for them, not the other way around. In Pakistan, military itself is corporation. Big difference.

The problem with Pakistan is govt not interested to make foreign policy even if you see Pakistan military did successful operation in S.W and other tribal area's now military want govt to take some steps but govt (No answer). Unfortunately still Army standing on the top. Recently General Kiyani said if we will move our forces back to eastern border all terrorist will come from Afghanistan again and hold that locations. Now its responsibility of govt to take control from us install govt headquarter (offices) install parties there control law and order (police security).

Unfortunately Govt didn't take any single step now if Army will also not interested then who will ? Our govt is incompetent but not military. We have lost all cases from last 4 years in International court just because of our BS Govt. That is why military hold the state in fact military not interested to involve in everything but unfortunately because of incompetent civilian govt, Military involve in everything.

But i am talking about the forign policy, If i am not wrong, the day US Invade Iraq, mighty protest in the US and still if i am not wrong 60% people from last 3 years want to quit this WOT. So why still US in Afghanistan ?

 

[Leader]

Alright,with a few small changes and very dumbed down... the CIA, a non-military organization, gave the civilian President Bush, who happened to be elected under the Republican platform, suspected evidence of WMD production in Iraq. After deliberating on the issue the civilian President George Bush Jr., with congressional approval, gave the order to the military to invade and occupy Iraq with the objective for the military being the removal of the Iraqi government, particularly its head, Saddam Hussein.

I forgot to put use some common sense as per required !! I should have added, my mistake !

 

[Jango]

some people here making a comparison between the US and Pakistan,and the role of the military of both, and the extent to which both have been ingrained to their respective societies, a comparison like this can simply be not made.