Military Operation against TTP in N.Waziristan | Updates & Discussions.

[That Guy]

Do you really need any proof of Afghans being your enemy , continuously claiming areas to which they have no legal right , brewing serious trouble from the other side of the Khyber Pass and in all their due credit , being a curse of a neighbor ? Time to let go of the Ummah love , mate , it is what precisely landed us in this situation !

Afghans aren't Pakistan's enemy; they may not be allies, but until they declare war, they're not enemies.

You know better than to accuse me of caring about this so called "Ummah love", after all, I'm the guy who keeps getting told off because I think Saudi-Pakistani relations are based on military needs and nothing more.

I've always supported secular relations with other nations, rather than ones based on religion.

Now having said all that, the Afghans don't have to be Pakistan's enemy, but they do have the right to complain about the Durand line, even if their claims are based on ridiculous assumptions. Let them say what they want, as long as they don't get over their head.

 

[Secur]

Afghans aren't Pakistan's enemy; they may not be allies, but until they declare war, they're not enemies.

You know better than to accuse me of caring about this so called "Ummah love", after all, I'm the guy who keeps getting told off because I think Saudi-Pakistani relations are based on military needs and nothing more.

I've always supported secular relations with other nations, rather than ones based on religion.

Now having said all that, the Afghans don't have to be Pakistan's enemy, but they do have the right to complain about the Durand line, even if their claims are based on ridiculous assumptions. Let them say what they want, as long as they don't get over their head.

First of all , accept my apologies for assuming you an Ummah fan , usually the people sympathizing like that , are found to be . I agree that they do not have to be , but unfortunately they are our enemy , even if undeclared . I know better than to wish for hostile neighbors . As for " war " , the history of Afghanistan-Pakistan tells us that whenever folks on the other side of the Durand Line gained a little strength , they tried to change the border by amassing whatever troops they had and launching an invasion . There are at least two instances of such in our history , mate . The result of course is irrelevant . At the end of the day , they would most gladly cause trouble for us across the border , make and believe whatever claims they have from the era of the Amir , side with our enemies and influx refugees and drugs and weapons to this side . If you hear the sort of language and emotions , the Afghans have against us , you would be left surprised considering the help , we have given to them from time to time , even today .

What we need to understand here is ,
Behavior arises from thought and the past behavior is the best indicator of the future behavior .

 

[That Guy]

First of all , accept my apologies for assuming you an Ummah fan , usually the people sympathizing like that , are found to be . I agree that they do not have to be , but unfortunately they are our enemy , even if undeclared . I know better than to wish for hostile neighbors . As for " war " , the history of Afghanistan-Pakistan tells us that whenever folks on the other side of the Durand Line gained a little strength , they tried to change the border by amassing whatever troops they had and launching an invasion . There are at least two instances of such in our history , mate . The result of course is irrelevant . At the end of the day , they would most gladly cause trouble for us across the border , make and believe whatever claims they have from the era of the Amir , side with our enemies and influx refugees and drugs and weapons to this side . If you hear the sort of language and emotions , the Afghans have against us , you would be left surprised considering the help , we have given to them from time to time , even today .

What we need to understand here is ,
Behavior arises from thought and the past behavior is the best indicator of the future behavior .

The thing is that they can't do anything about it. It's better to talk and ally with people in Afghanistan that don't think this way, instead of just condemning them all to an eternity of bitterness. You'd be surprised how many Afghans do actually recognize the border. If we look, it's only a bunch of elitists and a few ultra-nationalists that think this way. We're told that this is the main narrative coming from Afghanistan, because this is all the media reports about. This is the way the media make their money, it's called sensationalist media.

Now, that is not to say that we shouldn't be cautious, but we need to stop generalizing about the entire population based on the opinion of a few rich lords who have a vested interest in spreading ultra-nationalist views to gain power.

 

[Counter-Errorist]

Thousands flee North Waziristan fearing more airstrikes - DAWN.COM

for those idiotic war mongers who think the war comes without cost of human misery.

Nobody here refutes the human cost of a war.

We need to see the outcome of the cost-benefit analysis of the status quo v/s a full scale operation. Would you like me to provide you with the cost of human misery due to the status quo? As it should have been pretty defined for you by now.

Our country is falling to its knees. We're armed to the teeth, yet we stand resolute taking hits from a thug with a stick, we tried talking to the guy, he apologizes, then comes back to break our bones. There's only so much we can take.


Explain to me - we have a problem - we both agree, don't we?
What is your proposed solution here?

Peace talks ain't working out. And they are not going to. That should be pretty evident by now. IK too believes so now.

Khan Sees Pakistani Taliban Talks Failing as Strike Looms - Bloomberg

Some Taliban groups don’t want peace in Pakistan: Imran Khan - thenews.com.pk

 

[Leader]

Nobody here refutes the human cost of a war.

We need to see the outcome of the cost-benefit analysis of the status quo v/s a full scale operation. Would you like me to provide you with the cost of human misery due to the status quo? As it should have been pretty defined for you by now.

Our country is falling to its knees. We're armed to the teeth, yet we stand resolute taking hits from a thug with a stick, we tried talking to the guy, he apologizes, then comes back to break our bones. There's only so much we can take.


Explain to me - we have a problem - we both agree, don't we?
What is your proposed solution here?

Peace talks ain't working out. And they are not going to. That should be pretty evident by now. IK too believes so now.

Khan Sees Pakistani Taliban Talks Failing as Strike Looms - Bloomberg

Some Taliban groups don’t want peace in Pakistan: Imran Khan - thenews.com.pk

nobody cares either and that has been the problem, air strikes, carpet bombing, this is not the solution, this is murder of 1 million pakistanis stuck in warzone cause that happens to be their watan.. what is our priority here, atleast we should be clear.

secondly, the so called magical military operation wont solve the problem, the hub of extremism is in Punjab and Karachi, and its not just taliban, mafia terrorist in Karachi, LeJ etc so in its all effective the military operation is not going to be conclusive..

we should prefer the policy of carrot and stick, try maximum to avoid the confrontation, especially going into their den is going to cost us more lives and losses, why give anti-peace forces a chance to take us in a continuous loop of terrorism, as we speak Afghanistan is releasing anti-Pakistan taliban, and more and more people in afghanistan would be bought by anti-peace forces to start insurgency..

looking at our best options, we should avoid confrontation of full scale and try to turn these groups to one another, as of now fazalullah is not accepted as a common leader, there are groups who are opposing his selection, and there are groups who want to negotiate peace.. we should exploit this opportunity to our interest.

Peace talks ain't working out. And they are not going to. That should be pretty evident by now.

this is the part of the problem, this mentality which is not wise, strategic or rational, ruling out a very sensible and civil option out of the table, for god's sake the war is not against some external enemy, its against a segment of the society which will have implications on whole society as a reciprocal effect..

so lets device a policy that can defuse the situation.

 

[Saifullah Sani]

 

[Strigon]

Jet planes bomb hideouts in Tirah Valley killing 20 militants – The Express Tribune

PESHAWAR: Jet planes on Sunday bombed hideouts of insurgents in various areas of Tirah Valley in Khyber Agency killing 20 militants, Express News reported.

According to security officials, weapons as well as a factory that made bombs were destroyed in the aerial bombing.

On February 22, security forces had carried out shelling on militant hideouts in Thall sub-district of Hangu, killing at least nine insurgents.

While on February 19, at least 30 suspected insurgents were killed and several others injured as military jets and gunships had bombed their hideouts in the North Waziristan and Khyber agencies.

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Whoo hoo! Pig killin time!

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

rot in hell you talibitches

 

[Devil Soul]

Possible offensive: N Waziristan can be cleansed within weeks
By Our Correspondent / Latif Chaudhry
Published: February 23, 2014
HANGU / LAHORE:
Amidst growing chatter of a military operation in North Waziristan Agency, security sources on Saturday said the task of purging the area of all violent groups could be over in a “matter of weeks”.

“It would take the military four to six weeks to clear the agency of fighters,” security sources said, insisting that it was not difficult for Pakistan Army to re-establish the writ of the government in North Waziristan.

The officials also quashed the impression that the operation had only 40% chance of success, as claimed by some politicians in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa.

The security sources said that North Waziristan is the last militant stronghold which, if cleared, would result in a significant drop in violent attacks across the country. The military and the civil government are on the same page and there is no ambiguity on the issue.

They conceded that the operation could have a severe backlash elsewhere in the country or that the fighters could sneak into major towns and cities of the country to carry out attacks. “The responsibility of the civil administration would increase as it would have to act pro-actively to cub terrorism.”

The security sources said that a ground offensive hasn’t been started yet in North Waziristan, though F-16 fighter jets have been bombing hideouts of suspected militants in ‘targeted air raids’. “Since Pakistan doesn’t have technology to fly lethal drones, F-16s are the best option available,” they added. “F-16s hit their target with precision, almost ruling out the possibility for collateral damage.” The security sources added that ground offensive would be launched after the civil government gave the go ahead.

Asked about the possible strategy for North Waziristan operation, security sources said that it would be similar to the one carried out in Swat in 2009. Civilians and innocent tribesmen will be given time to shift to safe areas before the launch of the operation. “The operation will target all fighter groups without discrimination.”

Once cleared of militants, the security sources said, it would be difficult for violent groups to find a sanctuary in North Waziristan again. They added that the number of fighters in the area was being exaggerated.

Asked about the stalled peace talks, the security sources said that the security establishment and the civilian government were on the same page vis-à-vis peace engagement. “The military fully supports the government’s peace overtures because it believes in giving peace a chance.”

However, the security sources added that talks should be pursued from a ‘position of strength’. They said that despite the ongoing peace process, militants carried out a string of fatal attacks which necessitated the ‘use of force’.

The security sources claimed that Pakistani fighters were receiving monetary and material support from outside. Afghan spy agency, the National Directorate of Security (NDS), was in league with India. Around 3,000 personnel of NDS, Afghan National Army and other security agencies were receiving training in India.

The security sources, however, rejected as hackneyed the impression that Pakistan’s military was seeking ‘strategic depth’ in Afghanistan. However, they added that the military was not oblivious of the security of the country’s borders. “Pakistan Army is ready to face any challenge.” The security sources said that militants also have supporters and sympathisers within the country.

Commenting on the recent air strikes in North Waziristan and Khyber agencies, the security sources said that it was wrong to call them a prelude to a full-fledged operation. However, if the Taliban carry out any violent attack, they would be responded in the same coin – and the process has already started.

As part of the same strategy, helicopter gunships targeted hideouts of suspected militants in Thal tehsil of Hangu district early Saturday. A security official said that the air raids were ordered after credible intelligence suggested that militants based in the area were plotting attacks.

“The air strikes were carried out in the mountainous areas of Tora Warhi and Darsamand, situated at the confluence of borders between Orakzai and Kurram tribal agencies around 7am,” a security official said. The raids continued till 9am, he added.

The official claimed that at least nine militants – among them three commanders, Gul Nawaz, Arshad and Wali Zaman – were killed when a suspected compound was bombed.

While the air strikes were ongoing, a shell fired from unknown direction slammed into a civilian house in the Darsamand area, wounding two women identified as Sakina Bibi and Sultana Bibi. They were driven to a hospital in nearby Thal.

The security official said it was an air raid by helicopter gunships against militant hideouts in Thal. It is the only tehsil of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa where a US drone had targeted an Islamic seminary (madrassa) on November 21, last year, killing six persons.

Published in The Express Tribune, February 23rd, 2014.

 

[Sugarcane]

PESHAWAR: At least 18 terrorists were killed and several sustained injuries in the air strikes at the militant hideouts in the valley of Terah in Khyber Agency on Sunday morning here, Geo News reported.

Sources said that the security forces air strikes targeted the militant hideouts located at Toot Darra, Doohtavi and Ghaibineka that destroyed several hideouts of the defunct Tehrik-e-Taliban on Sunday morning.

Sources further said that at least 18 terrorists were killed and several injured besides a factory making bombs, arms and ammunitions was also razed to the ground during the air action of the security forces.

Khyber Agency: 18 killed as warplanes pound militant hideouts | PAKISTAN - geo.tv

 

[Jango]

Hearing since yesterday night that a curfew has been imposed in NW....

Saw the news only on Dunya and no other media.

Can any one confirm?

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Hearing since yesterday night that a curfew has been imposed in NW....

Saw the news only on Dunya and no other media.

Can any one confirm?

didnt saw on any news channel it may be a mistake by dunya news

 

[Leader]

Mass exodus: Fearing operation, tribesmen take flight

Thousands of tribesmen have fled North Waziristan Agency since last month as fears of a military operation in the area grew after helicopter gunships pounded suspected hideouts of militants in Mirali and Miramshah subdivisions of the agency on January 21, tribesmen told The Express Tribune.

Political Agent Siraj Ahmad Khan told journalists on Saturday that he had directed political administration officials to tell the tribesmen not to leave the agency as there was no fear of an operation.

“A military operation is not imminent and there is no need for the tribesmen to flee,” Siraj claimed.

Another political administration official said a large number of tribesmen have started migrating from Saidgi, Bangi Dar, Mada Khel, Kucha Mada Khel, Mezar and Manzar Khel areas of Ghulam Khan and Shawal Tehsils, while residents of Khushalai Tori Khel, Edak and Haider Khel have left from Mirali Tehsil and a large number of tribesmen have started to vacate homes in villages in the agency headquarters of Miramshah.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, the official confirmed that many residents as well as Afghan citizens living there for over two decades were trying to shift to Afghanistan.

Jalal, an Afghan elder who has been living in Ghulam Khan Tehsil along with 50 other families for the last 30 years, said the families were trying to shift to Khost, Paktia and Paktika provinces of Afghanistan due to the deteriorating law and order situation.

Another resident Gul Khan said that due to enmities and tribal feuds, he along with 25 families was trying to move to the Afghan provinces of Kunduz and Baghlan which are relatively safe. “All our business of non-custom paid vehicles has been destroyed,” he said, adding that he would not return.

“No one will leave their land happily, but now as the operation is looming we cannot stay to die,” he added.

In the mass exodus, passenger van driver Sultan Khan of Miramshah village said he was also shifting residents to Bannu. He said that people were fleeing along with their children and women, leaving behind a member of family to take care of valuables. He added that in the present situation, his rate for transportation has jumped from Rs150 per head to Rs300.

The exact number of people evacuating could not be ascertained, as none of the officials were aware of the accurate figure. Political administration officials also declined to comment, as some remain in denial that there is a mass exodus taking place.

However, local tribesmen told The Express Tribune nearly 50,000 tribesmen have fled the agency since last month.

While some officials dismiss the evacuation as ‘routine’ and say that the tribesmen will return after a month, the vehicle stands at Miramshah Bazaar, Ghulam Khan Tehsil and Mirali Bazaar reveal a contrary situation.

Mass exodus: Fearing operation, tribesmen take flight – The Express Tribune

with no planning to facilitate the IDPs whatsoever !

 

[Counter-Errorist]

nobody cares either and that has been the problem, air strikes, carpet bombing, this is not the solution, this is murder of 1 million pakistanis stuck in warzone cause that happens to be their watan.. what is our priority here, atleast we should be clear.

C'mon man, when have we ever carpet bombed inside Pakistan? Air strikes have been carried out very carefully, upon solid intel and with great precision. Also, 1 million Pakistanis? - please avoid exaggerations to make a point.

secondly, the so called magical military operation wont solve the problem, the hub of extremism is in Punjab and Karachi, and its not just taliban, mafia terrorist in Karachi, LeJ etc so in its all effective the military operation is not going to be conclusive..

Punjab and Karachi are not their safe havens. They have to be hiding to survive. And they can always run back to FATA for safety. We need to take out their base of operations to achieve real success in Punjab and Karachi. It's the source of the recruitment, training and funds.

we should prefer the policy of carrot and stick, try maximum to avoid the confrontation, especially going into their den is going to cost us more lives and losses, why give anti-peace forces a chance to take us in a continuous loop of terrorism, as we speak Afghanistan is releasing anti-Pakistan taliban, and more and more people in afghanistan would be bought by anti-peace forces to start insurgency..

We're already in a continuous loop of terrorism. No offense, but you're sitting safely in Punjab, so I don't think you see the gravity of the current situation.

We have to take this situation head on. These guys don't like our carrots, their goal is to force their own carrots down our throats (no, that that carrot!). Haven't they made that clear enough already.

looking at our best options, we should avoid confrontation of full scale and try to turn these groups to one another, as of now fazalullah is not accepted as a common leader, there are groups who are opposing his selection, and there are groups who want to negotiate peace.. we should exploit this opportunity to our interest.

You can't turn them against one another if they continue to succeed in their goals against the Pakistani state. You have to bring them to a point a desperation to negotiate with us. Those who wish for peace wouldn't want to fight with other groups either, and they can be asked to set aside and not provide any level of support to those who don't.

this is the part of the problem, this mentality which is not wise, strategic or rational, ruling out a very sensible and civil option out of the table, for god's sake the war is not against some external enemy, its against a segment of the society which will have implications on whole society as a reciprocal effect..

Seriously man! What will it take to convince you that they are not looking to talk?!

They are shooting and bombing police, rangers, army personnel and civilians everyday!
We start peace talks, and they bomb a cinema
We ask for a ceasefire, and they behead our soldiers

Wake the hell up man!

 

[lionheartsalahudin]

pakistan airforce should carry out surgical strikes inside afghanistan too targeting these ttp hideouts,like the turkish did with kurd hide outs in iraq ,yes we are not turkey but we will have to muster up that sort of courage and political will and chase these ttp rats to the end of the world,kill these rats ttp and their families with extreme prejudice no one with ttp name survives,no need to show restrain they have killed our women ,children and elderly without discrimination so should we exterminate them wipe them out from history