Military Operation against TTP in N.Waziristan | Updates & Discussions.

[BATMAN]

He said that he will always support the Military if an action is taken. His narrative is that we should try peace talks before using military force.

This is another one of his U turns.
Talking of peace at any level is idiotic and amount to complicity.

 

[Kompromat]

This is another one of his U turns.
Talking of peace at any level is idiotic and amount to complicity.

No, this has been PTI's consistent position.

PTI to back military operation if talks fail

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OCTOBER 3, 2013 BY KASHIF ABBASI

PTI to back military operation if talks fail | Pakistan Today

 

[Khan_patriot]

Are you seriously going to go this route?

Fine, have it your way. The reason why you're wrong is because prior to most military operations conducted by Pakistani armed forces, evacuations are conducted in civilian areas to minimize civilian casualties. This requires prior warning to civilian areas, which the military usually does through both leaflets and televised speeches, a simple example of this was the SWAT offensive. The militants usually stay, because they have little to know choice. If they leave, they'll simply lose their footing in strategic locations, and won't be able to make a proper return to them, again SWAT is a prime example of this. The same thing is going to happen in N.Waziristan, if an operation is carried out. The militants won't leave until their forced out, because they can't afford to lose their footing in NW.

So, YOU should get off your high horse and stop pretending you're right about everything. I was simply questioning your choice of wording, especially considering the article in question.

LOL, let me guess you read that Swat and adjoining areas were cleared before hostilities, you are quoting a war, I was personally affected by being a resident of Lower Dir, let me give you a crash course on the conflict, the Taliban came mainly to Swat then started to spread to adjoining areas, the army came cleared the area, the Taliban returned slowly again a more conclusive operation was launched and the Taliban have yet to return as the army still has a heavy presence there, in both operations a curfew was imposed followed by surgical strikes and raids on Taliban commanders etc, then the curfew was lifted for a while and the civilian masses evacuated, after this more thorough air strikes, artillery bombardment, and a huge infantry assault occurred....is the army follows its previous battle plan expect to see airstrike and limited operations as we see now, followed by orders to evacuate and then finally an all out assault.....

And mate I never implied that I know everything but your assumption that I had not read the article and your subsequent assertion to ''read the article'' ticked me off a bit....

 

[That Guy]

LOL, let me guess you read that Swat and adjoining areas were cleared before hostilities, you are quoting a war, I was personally affected by being a resident of Lower Dir, let me give you a crash course on the conflict, the Taliban came mainly to Swat then started to spread to adjoining areas, the army came cleared the area, the Taliban returned slowly again a more conclusive operation was launched and the Taliban have yet to return as the army still has a heavy presence there, in both operations a curfew was imposed followed by surgical strikes and raids on Taliban commanders etc, then the curfew was lifted for a while and the civilian masses evacuated, after this more thorough air strikes, artillery bombardment, and a huge infantry assault occurred....is the army follows its previous battle plan expect to see airstrike and limited operations as we see now, followed by orders to evacuate and then finally an all out assault.....

And mate I never implied that I know everything but your assumption that I had not read the article and your subsequent assertion to ''read the article'' ticked me off a bit....

But you clearly didn't read the article, if you did, then you wouldn't have used the "could".

Also, you're half right about the Swat operation, which actually doesn't contradict my statement. Previous operations weren't on a large scale, and they were meant to halt the Taliban influence, not get rid of it, so that a negotiated settlement could be reached, but the Taliban ended up breaking the settlement, and a major operation was launched, but an evacuation was ordered beforehand, not after the operation.

Where I disagree is your claim of the timing of the a curfew. The curfew wouldn't be imposed before a major military operation, because air strikes and artillery strikes don't always land on their intended target, so a evacuation, even a minor one, is usually required. When I say evacuation, it doesn't mean that people just ran for their lives, there are usually checkpoints established around the intended zone of operation, so that fleeing militants (sometimes in disguise) are caught more easily. The evacuees are also usually escorted or directed towards a certain location, which usually go through said checkpoints. Targeting militant commanders through surgical ground operations usually require special operations forces, only then a curfew is held, but air and artillery strikes are usually avoided for fear of civilian casualties.

You can continue to pretend to sound sophisticated by posting a stupid emote, but that doesn't mean you're automatically right. I also have no reason to believe that you were personally affected, simply because you have no way to prove it.

I don't claim I've met the Canadian ex-Prime Minister, because there is no proof I did, so you know what I do? I don't talk about it. If you want to claim something personal, you better be ready to actually prove it.

 

[That Guy]

great news , i really want to see iK face when the operation starts

Tehreek-e-Insaf to support militry action if talks fail | Imran Khan

They support the operation.

 

[Kompromat]

So najam sethi was true ... Talks are all drama and smokescreen .. real agenda was setup earlier.

Najam Sethi is an idiot, he is TTP's frontman.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

But you clearly didn't read the article, if you did, then you wouldn't have used the "could".

Also, you're half right about the Swat operation, which actually doesn't contradict my statement. Previous operations weren't on a large scale, and they were meant to halt the Taliban influence, not get rid of it, so that a negotiated settlement could be reached, but the Taliban ended up breaking the settlement, and a major operation was launched, but an evacuation was ordered beforehand, not after the operation.

Where I disagree is your claim of the timing of the a curfew. The curfew wouldn't be imposed before a major military operation, because air strikes and artillery strikes don't always land on their intended target, so a evacuation, even a minor one, is usually required. When I say evacuation, it doesn't mean that people just ran for their lives, there are usually checkpoints established around the intended zone of operation, so that fleeing militants (sometimes in disguise) are caught more easily. The evacuees are also usually escorted or directed towards a certain location, which usually go through said checkpoints. Targeting militant commanders through surgical ground operations usually require special operations forces, only then a curfew is held, but air and artillery strikes are usually avoided for fear of civilian casualties.

You can continue to pretend to sound sophisticated by posting a stupid emote, but that doesn't mean you're automatically right. I also have no reason to believe that you were personally affected, simply because you have no way to prove it.

I don't claim I've met the Canadian ex-Prime Minister, because there is no proof I did, so you know what I do? I don't talk about it. If you want to claim something personal, you better be ready to actually prove it.

Yaar last year i had to wait one and half hour at kohat tunnel where army was doing checking each vehicle. In swat operation more than two million people had to exit the area by road, if you give army the task of checking each and every vehicle, then most of the civilians wont be able to leave the war zone in the short time that is given to them...
Strict checking by army do take place at exit points of NW...but during exodus of IDPs situation would be different.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Go Pak Army Kill TTP once and for all...... We are with you...

 

[That Guy]

Yaar last year i had to wait one and half hour at kohat tunnel where army was doing checking each vehicle. In swat operation more than two million people had to exit the area by road, if you give army the task of checking each and every vehicle, then most of the civilians wont be able to leave the war zone in the short time that is given to them...
Strict checking by army do take place at exit points of NW...but during exodus of IDPs situation would be different.

Not saying every single vehicle, that's just ridiculous, even I don't make that claim. Having said that, it doesn't mean there won't be checks on suspicious vehicles or random checks done of random cars. It just won't be as thorough.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Just shows how little you understand the conduct of asymmetric warfare, NWA is not a sovereign country that we are obliged to declare war officially, you have to use the element of surprise, the only thing giving them a fair warning in advance will achieve is allowing them to prepare and dig in for combat and it will also increase the casualties on our side, the operation needs to be swift, decisive and very concentrated of it is to be highly successful, get off your high horse and try and comprehend others opinion.....

What are you talking about? Element of surprise is observed in raids and small surgical operations....when you decide to do a full fledge military operation then it means each and every village is subjected to air strikes and artillary shelling followed by advancing of ground troops. Do you have any idea how much civilian casaulties would occur if army dont evacuate civilians and keep "element of surprise"?...civilians are hinderance and their presence in the area makes it easy for taliban to fight with army...so its always in the army's interest to announce evacuation... Like @That Guy said, taliban are always there to give it a shot, afterall they had also spilled blood to occupy that area. When they are overwhelmed, then they retreat. It is impossible to kill every taliban, you achieve your target when you snatch the area from taliban.

 

[xyxmt]

ISLAMABAD- The federal government has decided to launch an operation against the militants due to the failure in peace talks with the Taliban.

According to reports, Prime Minister Mian Nawaz Sharif is likely to announce the launching of operation against the militants during the upcoming national assembly session.

The army would start operation in North Waziristan agency while the government will provide complete political support to the army for eliminating terrorists.

The security and intelligence agencies have tightened security at sensitive installations in big cities to handle any terror attempt by the terrorists as a reaction to the operation.

The government would announce conditional talks offer to those willing to surrender their weapons.

PM will soon announce military operation in NWA

It was well knows, NS's first speech was written to announce military operation but was changed in the last min to include mazakrat just so IK can have a peace. Everyone knew operation is coming sooner than later and its here now. Lets not give rats to run away keep hunting them while they are trapped in snow, lets play

 

[Edevelop]

Air blitz flattens Khyber, North Waziristan targets

MIRAMSHAH / ISLAMABAD: At least 30 suspected insurgents were killed and several others injured as military jets and gunships bombed their hideouts in the North Waziristan and Khyber agencies, military sources said on Thursday.

Air strikes were carried out in the Mirali, Shawal and Datta Khel areas of North Waziristan Agency late Wednesday night, security officials said. At least 23 suspected militants were killed as a result of what the officials termed ‘precision attacks’. Among those killed in the strikes were at least 16 Uzbek nationals, they said.

According to North Waziristan tribesmen, the strikes took place around 12:30am on Wednesday.

“Five people were killed and three others were injured in Shawal,” said one tribesman, adding that casualties in Mirali and Datta Khel could not be ascertained. He added that following the air strikes, tribesmen had started to evacuate the agency and move towards Peshawar, Bannu, Karak and Lakki Marwat.

Another seven suspected militants were killed in precision strikes in the Khyber Agency, military sources said. These include at least three suspected suicide bombers and an important commander of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan, they told The Express Tribune. An improvised explosive device factory was also destroyed in the bombing, they added.

While some media reports suggested as many as 40 insurgent fatalities in the air strikes, military officials confirmed only 30 casualties. They said those killed in the latest attacks were involved in the recent attack at a cinema in Peshawar and the killing of an army officer in the city.

The latest offensive came in the wake of the Taliban’s claim of killing 23 Frontier Corps soldiers.

Talking to The Express Tribune, a government official said the air strikes carried out on Wednesday night were authorised by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.

A security official disclosed that army chief General Raheel Sharif, in one of his recent meetings with the prime minister, had suggested the government push for decisive action against militants.

Following the recent surge in militant attacks across the country, the security establishment told the government that TTP and its affiliates were not ‘sincere’ about pursuing peace talks and that the time had come to consider other options.

The army has so far publicly maintained silence over the government’s peace overtures to the TTP. But with increasing attacks on security forces, the army’s patience appears to be running out.

A senior security official, who requested anonymity, told The Express Tribune that the state had to respond to the recent actions of militants.

Wednesday night’s strikes came just hours after the army said over 100 soldiers had been killed by the TTP in the last five months, a rare admission of relatively heavy casualties.

Defence Minister Khawaja Asif on Thursday said that necessary steps would be taken to ensure the safety of the citizens of Pakistan. He stated that 175 people had been killed in 40 attacks by militants in the last 17 days and this was the reason why the operation was ordered.

“Armed forces and security agencies will respond to acts of terrorism,” the minister added.

In an unusually tough statement late Wednesday night, Information Minister Pervaiz Rashid said that the army was capable of crushing all enemies.

“The prime minister wants to resolve these issues without bloodshed, but if the Taliban continue killing people then we will be left with no choice but to keep our citizens safe from terrorism through any means possible,” he had said.

Hitting back: Air blitz flattens Khyber, North Waziristan targets – The Express Tribune

 

[Saifullah Sani]

 

[Asian.Century]

I agree that we need to have Islamic law to govern Pakistan as it is the "Islamic" Republic of Pakistan afterall, but this doesn't justify the actions of the TTP

I totally agree with here, Islamic Sharia Law is what made Pakistan, we normal Pakistanis should learn Sharia and Implement Sharia Constitution.

But I hate to the core these TTP terrorists, who have polluted our perfect religion.

 

[Viper0011.]

But I hate to the core these TTP terrorists, who have polluted our perfect religion.

Religion is a personal matter between an individual and their God (whatever form of God that the individual may choose to worship). No one has a right to tell another human that they are better than the other. You leave that up to God to decide when he'll face humans.

These Talibastards are trying to be the God on the planet. A few major differences are that these Talibastards are illiterate, barbaric and crazy and have NOTHING that resembles a decent human being, let alone God. God is very merciful, caring and loving and he forgives. These talibastards kill, murder, behead and they should be destroyed so Pakistan and its people can have a better future and the country can grow. Its time to end suffering of over 200 million people by a few thousand crazy terrorists that are holding a huge nation hostage. No one wants to invest in the country because of these terrorists. Eliminating them will only make the world a better place and Pakistan a better country and a prosperous, successful nation!