MiG 35 : Not be underestimated
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No, they cannot be in service for Pakistan for another 35 years, not just that Pakistan will not have permission to acquire them, but also it cannot afford them.
PAF could go for the other alternatives which include Chinese J-XX (May be J-13, or J-14) which has a long way to go in development, otherwise it will just go for Typhoon or Rafale when their price tag comes down.
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PAF doesn't prefer turkeys, but real falcons.
European or American eagles to be precise!:flag:. American or European planes are the real Eagles in todays world.
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pakistan cannot afford a European eagle and the best American eagles are not for sale to Pakistan.Furthermore the enemy has turkeys that can bring down our eagles and are acquiring more advanced turkeys through PAK FA ,we have no choice but to try and acquire turkeys.Furthermore these eagles are also being offered to the enemy who are in the need of 126 MCRA's and are in a better position to but these eagles than we are..so i dont know what we can do.:army:
These purchases are only the start, we've to replace whole existing PAF fleet first, expansion will come later from 2012 and on.
We'll see more hyper modern fighters like Typhoon, Rafale or even the J-XX in PAF colors in future.
We'll see more hyper modern fighters like Typhoon, Rafale or even the J-XX in PAF colors in future.
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What abt the chineese planes?
We will let you decide that.
Plus, i dont know why we have changed names. LMAO, aircraft names are fine. 
i dont know why we have changed names. LMAO, aircraft names are fine.
I was just thinking the same...imagine JF-17 Thunder Turkey of LCA Flying Duck...sounds hilarious.
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http://www.aviapedia.com/fighters/mig-29vft-video-smotr
MiG 35
Excellent, exclusive material prepared by “Smotr” tv-program team from NTV Russian channel. Russian language, translation in this post.
The “fighter of the future” from “Stealth” movie demonstrates us the “Kulbit” figure, which is supposed to be the science fiction for todays fighter aircraft. However Russian Su-37 and Mig-29VFT (Mig-29OVT) equipped with thrust vectoring engine nozzles have already became centerpiece of every airshow.
Mig-29VFT FulcrumMig-29OVT is almost ready to enter serial production. This aircraft became the star of MAKS 2005 airshow.
It is Mig-29M - the new modification that is supposed to replace basic Mig-29. Its main shape differences - “teeth” on the fin, the more sharp front edge and missing additional air intake. There were only 6 such planes built before 1991. One of them received engine with thrust vectoring engine nozzles. This particular feature allows Mig-29OVT to perform unique flying. It can fly tail forward, make flips and perform “boomerang” aerobatic figure.
“Performance capabilities of VFT engine you were able to see today on the show. The main task of this flight was to demonstrate that due to vectoring throttle flight in zero-speed and negative-speed (tail forward movements) areas became to be fully controlled in distinction from previous modifications of planes like Mig-29 and Su-27, which could only temporarily get into this area while performing Kobra, for example.” - says Pavel Vlasov, test-pilot, the Hero of Russia.
Mig-29VFT FulcrumAirplane. The hardware, that opposite to the balloons is heavier then the air. There were times when simple fact of such hardware flight was taken like a great achievement. First aircrafts were highly maneuverable and could land on any relatively flat surface. Then it was the speed to come. And it was the price to pay for it - lowering down of maneuvering abilities and much more hard requirements for the flight strip. Concrete rolls for take-offs and landings were needed. Hundreds of meters were required for aircraft to perform a simple turn. In 60’s on the West and in USSR appeared jet aircraft of vertical take-off and landing - Harrier and Yak-38. The “heli” style performance was achieved by usage of rotable nozzle extensions. They directed the exhaust down. During the first flight it became clear that the controlled thrust vector gives planes great advantage during the dogfight maneuvers. So were started works on the thrust vectoring engines. The main mission was to increase the maneuvering abilities of general fighters and attack planes with usual take-off and landing rolls.
Mig-29VFT FulcrumGreat flight performance Mig-29OVT gets thanks to the engines - two RD-133. The main difference from the other engines - ability to change thrust vector.
From the beginning moveable engine nozzles were tryed to create in two variants.
The most simple, so-called “flat” one consists only of 4 vanes. Such construction allows to change thrust vector only in two ways - horizontal and vertical. Besides, if to make it more reliable and less radar-detectible it becomes to be very heavy and massive.
The more advanced variant is OVT (VFT) equipped with round turning nozzles. This unique moving flower of steel makes possible the thrust vector deflection in any direction which makes the plane phenomenally maneuverable.
Mig-29VFT FulcrumPugachev’s “Kobra” not so long time ago amazed people. Sukhoi fighters were “The Kings of the Maneuver” for the last several years. Klimov design bureau engineers were a little bit late with their Mig’s new engine development. But the main idea of the vectored thrust they’ve implemented on the completely new level. MAKS 2005 airshow clearly demonstrated Sukhoi design bureau product received very strong competitor - Mig-29OVT. Opposite to the Sukhoi engine nozzle that allows to change thrust vector only in one dimension, Mig-29 engine nozzles are full-aspect. Controlling devices are hidden under three cowlings, positioned 120 degrees from each other, which allows to deflect nozzle in any destination. Thrust vector deflects for the approximately 15 degrees.
First flight of Mig-29OVT was performed by the test-pilot Pavel Vlasov, the Hero of Russia in august 2003. Despite of bad prognosis the flight proved the highest engines reliability.
Mig-29VFT Fulcrum“Everybody is afraid the lifetime cycle of this moveable hardware will be very short. To the honor of engine manufacturer I need to say that during 2 years of test flights not even one small part both in engines and nozzles were replaced.” - says Pavel Vlasov.
The demonstration flight of Mig-29OVT on MAKS2005 was performed under endless applauses. You could think it’s not the aircraft but UFO in the air which can move against all the physic laws. “Double Kulbit”, “Boomerang”, another “Kulbit”. All this aerobatics is not only about to impress the show visitors and to attract the potentional buyer’s attention. Successful usage of these figures in the dogfights will not leave any chance to the opponent - there is no need to get on enemy’s tail hardly and spending time - flash-like flip and the plane is in the aim of rapid-fire gun.
Mig-29VFT FulcrumThough the plane is equipped with thrust vectoring engine, cockpit view almost didn’t change - only one switch was added: “OVT mode on/off.”
For today Mig-29OVT exists only in a single copy. But against to it’s west competitors it can be put into series production in the nearest time.
“There is no serial production of planes of that level or just “ready to go into series” stage prototypes in the world.” - says Pavel Vlasov.
The fact that thrust vectoring engine nozzles gives plane exclusive maneuvering abilities is obvious. But is it really necessary? Does the dogfight have a future? This discussion goes already for tens of years - since aircraft started to be equipped with effective air-to-air missiles. The dogfight opposition says aircraft equipped with modern air-to-air missiles just will not allow the enemy plane to get close.
Mig-29VFT FulcrumThe weapon development process puts the dogfight existence under the big question. And the same process gave an answer - yes, dogfight will stay.
Modern countermeasures systems allow fighters to avoid opponent’s missiles more and more effective. The number of carried long- and medium-range air-to-air missiles is very limited on every plane. After their launch they will have to start the dogfight - and here the victory will belong to the vectored thrust planes. Planes like Mig-29OVT.
Chk the website for some awsome pics of the MiG 35.
MiG 35
Excellent, exclusive material prepared by “Smotr” tv-program team from NTV Russian channel. Russian language, translation in this post.
The “fighter of the future” from “Stealth” movie demonstrates us the “Kulbit” figure, which is supposed to be the science fiction for todays fighter aircraft. However Russian Su-37 and Mig-29VFT (Mig-29OVT) equipped with thrust vectoring engine nozzles have already became centerpiece of every airshow.
Mig-29VFT FulcrumMig-29OVT is almost ready to enter serial production. This aircraft became the star of MAKS 2005 airshow.
It is Mig-29M - the new modification that is supposed to replace basic Mig-29. Its main shape differences - “teeth” on the fin, the more sharp front edge and missing additional air intake. There were only 6 such planes built before 1991. One of them received engine with thrust vectoring engine nozzles. This particular feature allows Mig-29OVT to perform unique flying. It can fly tail forward, make flips and perform “boomerang” aerobatic figure.
“Performance capabilities of VFT engine you were able to see today on the show. The main task of this flight was to demonstrate that due to vectoring throttle flight in zero-speed and negative-speed (tail forward movements) areas became to be fully controlled in distinction from previous modifications of planes like Mig-29 and Su-27, which could only temporarily get into this area while performing Kobra, for example.” - says Pavel Vlasov, test-pilot, the Hero of Russia.
Mig-29VFT FulcrumAirplane. The hardware, that opposite to the balloons is heavier then the air. There were times when simple fact of such hardware flight was taken like a great achievement. First aircrafts were highly maneuverable and could land on any relatively flat surface. Then it was the speed to come. And it was the price to pay for it - lowering down of maneuvering abilities and much more hard requirements for the flight strip. Concrete rolls for take-offs and landings were needed. Hundreds of meters were required for aircraft to perform a simple turn. In 60’s on the West and in USSR appeared jet aircraft of vertical take-off and landing - Harrier and Yak-38. The “heli” style performance was achieved by usage of rotable nozzle extensions. They directed the exhaust down. During the first flight it became clear that the controlled thrust vector gives planes great advantage during the dogfight maneuvers. So were started works on the thrust vectoring engines. The main mission was to increase the maneuvering abilities of general fighters and attack planes with usual take-off and landing rolls.
Mig-29VFT FulcrumGreat flight performance Mig-29OVT gets thanks to the engines - two RD-133. The main difference from the other engines - ability to change thrust vector.
From the beginning moveable engine nozzles were tryed to create in two variants.
The most simple, so-called “flat” one consists only of 4 vanes. Such construction allows to change thrust vector only in two ways - horizontal and vertical. Besides, if to make it more reliable and less radar-detectible it becomes to be very heavy and massive.
The more advanced variant is OVT (VFT) equipped with round turning nozzles. This unique moving flower of steel makes possible the thrust vector deflection in any direction which makes the plane phenomenally maneuverable.
Mig-29VFT FulcrumPugachev’s “Kobra” not so long time ago amazed people. Sukhoi fighters were “The Kings of the Maneuver” for the last several years. Klimov design bureau engineers were a little bit late with their Mig’s new engine development. But the main idea of the vectored thrust they’ve implemented on the completely new level. MAKS 2005 airshow clearly demonstrated Sukhoi design bureau product received very strong competitor - Mig-29OVT. Opposite to the Sukhoi engine nozzle that allows to change thrust vector only in one dimension, Mig-29 engine nozzles are full-aspect. Controlling devices are hidden under three cowlings, positioned 120 degrees from each other, which allows to deflect nozzle in any destination. Thrust vector deflects for the approximately 15 degrees.
First flight of Mig-29OVT was performed by the test-pilot Pavel Vlasov, the Hero of Russia in august 2003. Despite of bad prognosis the flight proved the highest engines reliability.
Mig-29VFT Fulcrum“Everybody is afraid the lifetime cycle of this moveable hardware will be very short. To the honor of engine manufacturer I need to say that during 2 years of test flights not even one small part both in engines and nozzles were replaced.” - says Pavel Vlasov.
The demonstration flight of Mig-29OVT on MAKS2005 was performed under endless applauses. You could think it’s not the aircraft but UFO in the air which can move against all the physic laws. “Double Kulbit”, “Boomerang”, another “Kulbit”. All this aerobatics is not only about to impress the show visitors and to attract the potentional buyer’s attention. Successful usage of these figures in the dogfights will not leave any chance to the opponent - there is no need to get on enemy’s tail hardly and spending time - flash-like flip and the plane is in the aim of rapid-fire gun.
Mig-29VFT FulcrumThough the plane is equipped with thrust vectoring engine, cockpit view almost didn’t change - only one switch was added: “OVT mode on/off.”
For today Mig-29OVT exists only in a single copy. But against to it’s west competitors it can be put into series production in the nearest time.
“There is no serial production of planes of that level or just “ready to go into series” stage prototypes in the world.” - says Pavel Vlasov.
The fact that thrust vectoring engine nozzles gives plane exclusive maneuvering abilities is obvious. But is it really necessary? Does the dogfight have a future? This discussion goes already for tens of years - since aircraft started to be equipped with effective air-to-air missiles. The dogfight opposition says aircraft equipped with modern air-to-air missiles just will not allow the enemy plane to get close.
Mig-29VFT FulcrumThe weapon development process puts the dogfight existence under the big question. And the same process gave an answer - yes, dogfight will stay.
Modern countermeasures systems allow fighters to avoid opponent’s missiles more and more effective. The number of carried long- and medium-range air-to-air missiles is very limited on every plane. After their launch they will have to start the dogfight - and here the victory will belong to the vectored thrust planes. Planes like Mig-29OVT.
Chk the website for some awsome pics of the MiG 35.
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