Mig 27: Shot Down or Crashed?

[Lincoln]

Engine caught fire,jet disintegrates in mid air.no cockpit means high velocity impact but problem is there is no impact Crater which means the incident happened somewhere else.this can also be a missile strike,explosion near engine caused it to disintegrate mid air.

Baseless analysis made on imaginations.

 

[Vännen]

I can't. Crashes don't happen so often really, and when they do, they all have different results.

Some result in being completely burnt when fire spreads from engine to front. Some turn out absolutely fine. Some find themselves with the cockpit missing, some find them rolling over after crash landing. Some find their landing gears missing.

So, believe what you like.



This thread is independent, not in reply to anyone. And unlike so many other threads, this one shows an actual effort. I think, it can continue with its own thread. Thanks.

11 crashes since JAN'19, seems like a periodic occurrence to me. Have you asked IAF if they have any such examples?

 

[Lincoln]

11 crashes since JAN'19, seems like a periodic occurrence to me. Have you asked IAF if they have any such examples?

How can I ask IAF?

 

[Imran Khan]

its very bad to hit a shemale . we have honor we did not shot down unarmed teeth less planes

 

[Vännen]

How can I ask IAF?

You are rebutting other people theories as if IAF chief twadi jholi ich betha hega....

 

[Lincoln]

You are rebutting other people theories as if IAF chief twadi jholi ich betha hega....

Why do you think I am rebutting them?

 

[Vännen]

Why do you think I am rebutting them?

I have read the posts and their theories have merit too. I guess you need to loosen up a bit just like the MiG27 did

 

[Lincoln]

I have read the posts and their theories have merit too. I guess you need to loosen up a bit just like the MiG27 did

I respect their theories. But I am just trying to challenge them, nothing wrong.

 

[Chaukidaar]

IAF has become a joker. Ye kya roj roj crash?
Sahi main Airforce hai ki koi local Aviation seva?

 

[Thorough Pro]

Exactly, a crashed plane should not be spread over like this

My theory: It was shot down somewhere else, parts moved here.

All missiles have proximity fuses

Do you know that some missiles have proximity fuses and they explode within certain range of the target?

HOw heavy does this part look?

at least a 100kg at minimum.

How come it falling from a height did not make even an inch of indentation in the ground?

Once can clearly see a tyre track in the middle of the pic on the left side. Tyre track of the vehicle that brought it to the location and lowered it carefully to the ground.

 

[zulu]

But why always Russian ones??why not french and british in IAF ?we also got french ,us,chinese in ours but not technical failures like this??Need to check world wide data too seems our Chinese friends are right about Russian products

IAF has become a joker. Ye kya roj roj crash?
Sahi main Airforce hai ki koi local Aviation seva?

 

[SABRE]

True, it depends on the angle and velocity at which the jet crashes. This crash suggest a low velocity and an angle perpendicular to the ground.

And when a missile hits a jet, it does disintegrate the jet, that is always a true.

If you mean disintegrate the whole aircraft in the air then it's not completely true. In most case it damages/destroys a major portion of the aircraft, forcing it to crash.

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[Khafee]

My analysis piece. Some of you are not going to read this full thing, so here's the short answer: it likely crashed.

For those interested, here is the...

Long Answer

For those saying that the wreckage looks like it was shot down. That simply cannot be true. When a jet is hit in an air collision, the jet is quite literally decimated. Many of its body parts burn and crash in pieces. The body of the jet is destroyed or disfigured. You all can go look at the picture of the Mig-21 Bison shot down by PAF, the pieces of the jet are everywhere, and you can see the main frame disintegrated and disfigured.

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As for the Mig-27 photos, you can clearly dissect the whole thing into three photos, one showing the main frame, one showing the engine, and the other showing a piece burning. The main frame has no large burn marks on it. The engine however has its whole lower part burnt black. There is also a photo of the front landing gear completely intact (only one of the two wheels is missing) entangled in roots, just goes to show that it crash landed and the gears were out when it crashed. You can see that the middle of the main frame is completely intact and not disfigured, the wings and frame, while the part at the back is more the less detached rather than disintegrated.

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Now to answer those who might be wondering why the engine is separated and burnt, and why the front cockpit is missing.

Some people stereotypically assume that a jet crash is supposed to be a crash with a large crater, lots of stuff burnt black, and a large pile of junk just burning. That is the case if the jet stalls and crashes nose first, or sometimes engine first as well. But sometimes, jets can crash gliding down, and when they do, their engines often catch fire. There's a chance that the main frame can turn out alive and intact and not disfigured, that is unless the fire caught at the engine part runs down to the front as well, which doesn't have to always be the case. Look at the picture below of a YF-22 that crashed. Those are not its afterburners engaged, that's the literal engines on flame.

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The flames at the engine likely disintegrated a part of the back, causing the engine to completely detach from the jet. As for why the cockpit is missing, I am not too sure but here's a picture of the Harrier Jet below.

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You can see its engine part burning. You can also see that its nose suffered a blow after it crash landed as the jet, due to momentum, turned down after crashing against the ground. Another feature you will be able to see is its landing gears seen literally detaching from the jet.

My Theory

Since it is claimed to be on a training mission, it was likely at low speed. After the jet's engine failed, the jet was likely glided down. Before and near the impact, the pilot ejected, and the jet crash landed.

That's my speculation.
Comments welcomed.

Su-30 shot down by PAF AIM-120

 

[SABRE]

But why always Russian ones??why not french and british in IAF ?we also got french ,us,chinese in ours but not technical failures like this??Need to check world wide data too seems our Chinese friends are right about Russian products

Side A: In the periods when the US & its Western counterparts began planning and implementing advance improvements on their aircraft, the Russians were struggling to save their aviation industry in the wake of Soviet collapse. They didn't have funds to finance major advancements either. The improvements they managed in subsequent years were subpar compared to Western counterparts. India had to make do with what the Russians could develop, and that is not much. When the Su-30MKI was procured it was a half-baked technology and continued to have spare parts supply problem.

Side B: Even though, they are considered national heroes of a sort DRDO & HAL are not exactly known for their competence. Indian military doesn't seem to be satisfied with their work. Their maintenance and upgrades on Russian aircraft have been time-consuming and even after that not a good one.

Given the two sides, IAF's Russian built aircraft crashes are no surprise. But IAF also had Mirage-2000 (French) and Jaguar (French/British) crashes both in the past and recent times.

 

[Knight Rider]

No drag marks on ground ? No crater ?? Wow the jet crashed like a Kite !!!