Mig 27: Shot Down or Crashed?

[Lincoln]

Yeap, as I stated that only 4 pictures are shown, there ought to be more pictures of the debris or as you stated it, it is a complete sham. This jet definitely with 1000000000% certainty didn't "crashed" here.
As I have indicated in the other thread it is one of the kill by PAF on 27th Feb.
I point to the analysis I did on OBL raid, the seals who took part were after a year declared dead in a copter crash in Afghanistan.
That's how cover ups happened.

Well if you're now going to base your argument on what right now can be imagined, then it becomes a conspiracy theory and not a balanced argument based on what we can see right now.

 

[PakSword]

As I have indicated in the other thread it is one of the kill by PAF on 27th Feb.

This might be a conspiracy, but this jet definitely didn't crash here.

 

[Khafee]

Both sides, have very valid arguments, but something is not right here, hence my earlier hypothesis. I will wait for solid intel before I comment any further.

 

[Lincoln]

Missiles don't always hit the jet in the middle... They sometimes hit the tail or a wing only.

Anyway, have you watched the pic of the Indian jet that was coming down on 27th?

I did, that whole body was burning, and it was crashing engine first, so upon impact, that thing is going to create a large explosion, lots of pieces going to go everywhere.

Even if a missile hits a tail or wing only, the explosion causes the fuel inside the jet to severely catch fire. The whole jet is going to get decimated either way. The part with the fuel always is damaged the most regardless of where the jet is hit.

 

[alee92nawaz]

My theory: It was shot down somewhere else, parts moved here.

That's interesting. But mig-27 ? Cause somewhat resembles the su-30?

 

[PakSword]

I did, that whole body was burning, and it was crashing engine first, so upon impact, that thing is going to create a large explosion, lots of pieces going to go everywhere.

Even if a missile hits a tail or wing only, the explosion causes the fuel inside the jet to severely catch fire. The whole jet is going to get decimated either way. The part with the fuel always is damaged the most regardless of where the jet is hit.

Do you know that some missiles have proximity fuses and they explode within certain range of the target?

 

[crankthatskunk]

Dear, a jet crash landing isn't always going to turn out with a fully intact jet. For god's sake. There are variances. But the evidence of the intact main frame and wings points, with intact landing gears points that it likely crash landed and glided down.

And the debris is not much at all, I can literally count the debris on my finger tips.

And no, my hypothesis still is not incorrected, I already explained that the engine catching fire could've caused the engine to detach from the main body, you should read it again perhaps.



Not sure if you're trolling me. But here it is again. A jet which crashes nose first or is shot down by a missile in the air, is not going to have absolutely no disfigurement to its main body, or its wings still attached.

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Glided down theory is not valid here, your arguments are bogus. I have shown pictures of glided down jet crashes. The debris is completely different from what we see from Mig 27. Grow up dude. As it has been pointed out other parts of the jet body are missing too.

Here are glided down crashes.

Enough of the evidence, all proves that the jets don't disintegrate on the type of incidents you are referring too.

 

[Lincoln]

That's interesting. But mig-27 ? Cause somewhat resembles the su-30?

Nope.

Glided down theory is not valid here, your arguments are bogus. I have shown pictures of glided down jet crashes. The debris is completely different from what we see from Mig 27. Grow up dude. As it has been pointed out other parts of the jet body are missing too.

Here are glided down crashes.

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Enough of the evidence, all proves that the jets don't disintegrate on the type of incidents you are referring too.

Yes, not all jets crash in the same way. Too hard to get it through? Also, lol at using passenger jets for analogy.

My pictures are doctored?

 

[Zee-shaun]

How many threads do need for 1 mig?
Mera heart fail ho jayegaw.

 

[alee92nawaz]

Nope.

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Yes, not all jets crash in the same way. Too hard to get it through? Also, lol at using passenger jets for analogy.

My pictures are doctored?

I was talking about the dual engine thing

 

[Lincoln]

Glided down theory is not valid here, your arguments are bogus. I have shown pictures of glided down jet crashes. The debris is completely different from what we see from Mig 27. Grow up dude. As it has been pointed out other parts of the jet body are missing too.

Here are glided down crashes.

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Enough of the evidence, all proves that the jets don't disintegrate on the type of incidents you are referring too.

Check this out.

This is a F-16C USAF jet crash landed.

Note that these are crash landed! The pilot literally steered them down to the ground and attempted to land them. I doubt that the Mig-27 is an exact scenario of crash landing, I feel the pilot might have glided it down but not attempted to fully land it, instead ejected before impact.

 

[war&peace]

Well, whatever.. In the end, IAF is with one less A/C and what about its pilot? alive, dead, injured?

 

[Ghost 125]

guys plz have a heart and dont act like indian media. dont conclude things from 3 pics who knows how many pics were taken and in what circumstances and how many made it to the media. Mig 27 are based in Rajhistan and it crashed there it has no link to 27 feb

 

[Meliodas]

My analysis piece. Some of you are not going to read this full thing, so here's the short answer: it likely crashed.

For those interested, here is the...

Long Answer

For those saying that the wreckage looks like it was shot down. That simply cannot be true. When a jet is hit in an air collision, the jet is quite literally decimated. Many of its body parts burn and crash in pieces. The body of the jet is destroyed or disfigured. You all can go look at the picture of the Mig-21 Bison shot down by PAF, the pieces of the jet are everywhere, and you can see the main frame disintegrated and disfigured.

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As for the Mig-27 photos, you can clearly dissect the whole thing into three photos, one showing the main frame, one showing the engine, and the other showing a piece burning. The main frame has no large burn marks on it. The engine however has its whole lower part burnt black. There is also a photo of the front landing gear completely intact (only one of the two wheels is missing) entangled in roots, just goes to show that it crash landed and the gears were out when it crashed. You can see that the middle of the main frame is completely intact and not disfigured, the wings and frame, while the part at the back is more the less detached rather than disintegrated.

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Now to answer those who might be wondering why the engine is separated and burnt, and why the front cockpit is missing.

Some people stereotypically assume that a jet crash is supposed to be a crash with a large crater, lots of stuff burnt black, and a large pile of junk just burning. That is the case if the jet stalls and crashes nose first, or sometimes engine first as well. But sometimes, jets can crash gliding down, and when they do, their engines often catch fire. There's a chance that the main frame can turn out alive and intact and not disfigured, that is unless the fire caught at the engine part runs down to the front as well, which doesn't have to always be the case. Look at the picture below of a YF-22 that crashed. Those are not its afterburners engaged, that's the literal engines on flame.

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The flames at the engine likely disintegrated a part of the back, causing the engine to completely detach from the jet. As for why the cockpit is missing, I am not too sure but here's a picture of the Harrier Jet below.

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You can see its engine part burning. You can also see that its nose suffered a blow after it crash landed as the jet, due to momentum, turned down after crashing against the ground. Another feature you will be able to see is its landing gears seen literally detaching from the jet.

My Theory

Since it is claimed to be on a training mission, it was likely at low speed. After the jet's engine failed, the jet was likely glided down. Before and near the impact, the pilot ejected, and the jet crash landed.

That's my speculation.
Comments welcomed.

Why not explain it ongoing thread why make a new thread for explaining your point ?

 

[PakSword]

Well, whatever.. In the end, IAF is with one less A/C and what about its pilot? alive, dead, injured?

Yeah... And when enemy jets crash because of the cap missions, it is always other side's victory.