Mig 27: Shot Down or Crashed?

[alee92nawaz]

Meanwhile Russians regretting the day they decided to partner with IAF.

 

[New World]

My analysis piece. Some of you are not going to read this full thing, so here's the short answer: it likely crashed.

For those interested, here is the...

Long Answer

For those saying that the wreckage looks like it was shot down. That simply cannot be true. When a jet is hit in an air collision, the jet is quite literally decimated. Many of its body parts burn and crash in pieces. The body of the jet is destroyed or disfigured. You all can go look at the picture of the Mig-21 Bison shot down by PAF, the pieces of the jet are everywhere, and you can see the main frame disintegrated and disfigured.

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As for the Mig-27 photos, you can clearly dissect the whole thing into three photos, one showing the main frame, one showing the engine, and the other showing a piece burning. The main frame has no large burn marks on it. The engine however has its whole lower part burnt black. There is also a photo of the front landing gear completely intact (only one of the two wheels is missing) entangled in roots, just goes to show that it crash landed and the gears were out when it crashed. You can see that the middle of the main frame is completely intact and not disfigured, the wings and frame, while the part at the back is more the less detached rather than disintegrated.

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Now to answer those who might be wondering why the engine is separated and burnt, and why the front cockpit is missing.

Some people stereotypically assume that a jet crash is supposed to be a crash with a large crater, lots of stuff burnt black, and a large pile of junk just burning. That is the case if the jet stalls and crashes nose first, or sometimes engine first as well. But sometimes, jets can crash gliding down, and when they do, their engines often catch fire. There's a chance that the main frame can turn out alive and intact and not disfigured, that is unless the fire caught at the engine part runs down to the front as well, which doesn't have to always be the case. Look at the picture below of a YF-22 that crashed. Those are not its afterburners engaged, that's the literal engines on flame.

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The flames at the engine likely disintegrated a part of the back, causing the engine to completely detach from the jet. As for why the cockpit is missing, I am not too sure but here's a picture of the Harrier Jet below.

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You can see its engine part burning. You can also see that its nose suffered a blow after it crash landed as the jet, due to momentum, turned down after crashing against the ground. Another feature you will be able to see is its landing gears seen literally detaching from the jet.

My Theory

Since it is claimed to be on a training mission, it was likely at low speed. After the jet's engine failed, the jet was likely glided down. Before and near the impact, the pilot ejected, and the jet crash landed.

That's my speculation.
Comments welcomed.

If it is a crash landed, than why there is no any drag around the crash site?
And why is the whole body is disintegrated?

 

[Lincoln]

Why not explain it ongoing thread why make a new thread for explaining your point ?

Because there's effort in this post, and is not directed in reply to anyone. Independent post.

If it is a crash landed, than why there is no any drag around the crash site?
And why is the whole body is disintegrated?

1. You can see roots uprooted.

2. The whole body is not disintegrated.

 

[AUz]

My theory: PAF is now shooting indian jets just for time pass

Jet mistakenly came a bit close to border and boom, PAF shot it down bc pilots were kinda bored and it’s getting hot outside as well. Not a good time of the year

 

[Lincoln]

My theory: PAF is now shooting indian jets just for time pass

Jet mistakenly came a bit close to border and boom, PAF shot it down bc pilots were kinda bored and it’s getting hot outside as well. Not a good time of the year

My theory: the earth is flat and the Bush was actually a shape shifting reptilian lizard from outer space.

 

[Jinn Baba]

Check this out.

This is a F-16C USAF jet crash landed.

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Note that these are crash landed! The pilot literally steered them down to the ground and attempted to land them. I doubt that the Mig-27 is an exact scenario of crash landing, I feel the pilot might have glided it down but not attempted to fully land it, instead ejected before impact.

Compare the pics you are posting to the pics of the Mig27 crash. How do you yourself not see a difference?

It either glided, or hard crashed. It cant be half and half.

 

[Lincoln]

Compare the pics you are posting to the pics of the Mig27 crash. How do you yourself not see a difference?

It either glided, or hard crashed. It cant be half and half.

It can be half and half. Not all jets crash the same damn way. It ain't an experiment, not all crashes are going to give the same result. The fact that the wings and main frame is intact just shows that the jet did not go a hard crash, or collision with a missile.

 

[Kompromat]

I wanna start a cargo service in India. They seem to be moving a whole heap a things.

 

[maximuswarrior]

LOL IAF at its best.

 

[Jinn Baba]

It can be half and half. Not all jets crash the same damn way. It ain't an experiment, not all crashes are going to give the same result. The fact that the wings and main frame is intact just shows that the jet did not go a hard crash.

See, I myself am finding it hard to believe that the IAF would do such a botched up job of faking a crash. So I am willing to listen to you with an open mind.

Post pics of a single crash similar to this anywhere else in the world. This cannot be something unique that has never happened before.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Why not explain it ongoing thread why make a new thread for explaining your point ?

He is desperate.

 

[Lincoln]

See, I myself am finding it hard to believe that the IAF would do such a botched up job of faking a crash. So I am willing to listen to you with an open mind.

Post pics of a single crash similar to this anywhere else in the world. This cannot be something unique that has never happened before.

I can't. Crashes don't happen so often really, and when they do, they all have different results.

Some result in being completely burnt when fire spreads from engine to front. Some turn out absolutely fine. Some find themselves with the cockpit missing, some find them rolling over after crash landing. Some find their landing gears missing.

So, believe what you like.

He is desperate.

This thread is independent, not in reply to anyone. And unlike so many other threads, this one shows an actual effort. I think, it can continue with its own thread. Thanks.

 

[Riz]

But the question is why they are trying to fake mig27 crash??? They have to announce SU-30 or Mirage2k crash if they trying to hide 27 feb incident

 

[Lincoln]

But the question is why they are trying to fake mig27 crash??? They have to announce SU-30 or Mirage2k crash if they trying to hide 27 feb incident

Ask those on PDF here, they think India has something to gain from faking a Mig-27 crash.

 

[Han Patriot]

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Meanwhile Russians regretting the day they decided to partner with IAF.

ahhahaha, Putin must be so pissed....yindoos tarnishing the Russian brand.