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MFN status for India recommended: panel recommends Wahgah border opening

Thanks for the useful information.Obviously there must be proper business groups present in Pakistan,but the companies that i mentioned r heavy weights not only in the south-east asian region but also in worldwide arena.I just named a few examples,there r many others if u include sectors such as Automobile,Finance,Consultancy,Software,Electronics,Communication,Logistics etc. If all these companies get a free hand then they will use their massive resources to exploit the new market to the full extent.This may hinder the development of local business houses.

Some of the groups on the list are very old and major players (They are however not listed under one banner for tax and investment purposes) in worldwide arena however Pakistani companies and businessmen are restricted from investing or creating partnerships with other international firms. They treat all Pakistani's as ISI agunts (Look up BCCI Bank), and thus are not allowed to buy or invest. Indian companies such as Tata and Reliance are true conglomerates and are so becuase of their partnerhip and ownership of companies from other countries.

Our companies working together will provide excellent results for both as the markets and consumers are very similar in their behaviour. More chance of success in a market you know, then the one you do not.
 
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The companies,both Indian and Pakistani,should work together to create a better market,a sound economy paving the path for a more stable future.
A strong economic backbone can solve more problems than we can actually think of.We are observing it happen in India.Believe it or not,most of the social problems arise due to the dwindling economy.If people are not happy,then they take out their aggression in some way or other,leading to anti-establishment movements.If people can be given a better lifestyle,then these problems can be reduced to a great extent if not totally avoided.
A co-operative economy will also bring down the sense of enmity among the two states,as it will mutually benefit both the countries.The tension existing between the two countries serves no good purpose,other than a military bhuild-up and stock piling of ammunitions,which costs loads of money which could be used in the development of the region.
The process will provide employment to a lot of people,providing a uniform distribution of wealth.This will also bring the educated communities together,bringing forward a rational,moderate and modern outlook of the society removing the fundamentalism and radicalism which has presently plagued the state of Pakistan to a great extent nowadays.
Lets bring peace and stability to the region.
So,lets hope for the best.Any idea regarding how to proceed is welcome.
 
what is suicidel about it.dont underestimate your industry.it will more beneficial to the people of pakistan and this side to north india.this suicide feeling was there in india too when pm manmohan singh goes for liberal policy in 1990.but see how our indutry responded.this same thing will happen in pakistan.companies could go for jv with indian companies forbike manufacturing with indian makers like hero group,bajaj,tvs.i m cad designer and our company make moulds for our clients in pakistan .here we can work it out by manufacturing mould there only.
 
Well it certainly makes more sense than having an FTA with China and depriving the local industry. Because India is a net importer and does manipulate currency, Pakistan has a good chance to have a net surplus relationship with India unlike the huge net deficit relationship with China especially after the FTA.
 
its pitty that our trade volume is only $400mn. opening up markets will help a lot. you cant protect your industry forever. protectionism only makes sense when ur industry is infant.
our industries now need to be thrown into compitition with rest of the world and especially india. either they will grow their muscle or disappear. i dont mind any of this scenario.
 
India long ago have given Pakistan the status of 'Most Favorite Nation' (MFN).

If Pakistan responds positively it will be good news fro both the nations.

when US-china can have huge trade or Japan-china, why can't we have??

"Ladai bhi karo kamai bhi karo sath sath"

"There is a need to quickly reduce non-tariff barriers which are more pernicious on Pakistan's exports to India. "


So long as the above is not rectified, MFN status does not really help does it?
 
its pitty that our trade volume is only $400mn. opening up markets will help a lot. you cant protect your industry forever. protectionism only makes sense when ur industry is infant.
our industries now need to be thrown into compitition with rest of the world and especially india. either they will grow their muscle or disappear. i dont mind any of this scenario.


"There is a need to quickly reduce non-tariff barriers which are more pernicious on Pakistan's exports to India. "


So long as the above is not rectified, MFN status does not really help does it?

There is a saying that Animosity makes you blind...How true is that when it comes to India-Pak relations...We tend to find reasons even if the writing is on the wall...Some says that the other party is untouchable so better to stay away..some give logical reasons to stop something which to me is the most important decision in South Asia which has the potential to halp masses and bring SA out of crisis for good...I mean just look at India China trade equations...How difficult is for any sane govt. to ignore $60 billion worth of trade and let irritants like unresolved unresolved border take better of them????


Anyways i have seen many members objecting and supporting MFN status however does anyone have looked into the trade volumes that India-Pak already have???

Legal Trade - $500 Million(Approx)
Illegal Trade - $3-4 Billion(Approx)

Just see the potential if we change this to legal trade....

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A little old(2005) but a nice article to read...

http://www.sdpi.org/help/research_and_news_bulletin/may_june_05/can_illegal_trade%20.htm
 
There is a saying that Animosity makes you blind...How true is that when it comes to India-Pak relations...We tend to find reasons even if the writing is on the wall...Some says that the other party is untouchable so better to stay away..some give logical reasons to stop something which to me is the most important decision in South Asia which has the potential to halp masses and bring SA out of crisis for good...I mean just look at India China trade equations...How difficult is for any sane govt. to ignore $60 billion worth of trade and let irritants like unresolved unresolved border take better of them????


Anyways i have seen many members objecting and supporting MFN status however does anyone have looked into the trade volumes that India-Pak already have???

Legal Trade - $500 Million(Approx)
Illegal Trade - $3-4 Billion(Approx)

Just see the potential if we change this to legal trade....

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A little old(2005) but a nice article to read...

Can Illegal Trade Between Pakistan and India be Eliminated?
Again, talking about 'potential' is meaningless so long as progress is not made on removing barriers to Pakistani exports to India.

Perhaps your view of 'potential' is more optimistic since in the current scenario Indian exports to Pakistan would boom while Pakistani exports to India would continue to lag behind, partially as a result of those aforementioned barriers.

You cannot just focus on 'potential' while ignoring issues that make trade unfair for one side or the other.
 
Any such move will officialize the undue previlages india already enjoying under cover.
India and US are the only two states which enjoy land and air transit estimated to be valued at 50 billions USD each, for free.
Pakistanis should remember what indians did to east Pakistan!
If PPP is worth its salt than they should stick to their leader's (Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto) guidelines and not what Zardari and co. suggest in return for huge kickbacks.

Having met quite a few , I do not think any Pakistani has ever forgotten E Pak and neither have those who have made this suggestion at post #1.

In fact this is a way to ensure / prevent another conflagration. Economy & economics may succeed where Generals, Terrorists, Politicians & Fundamentalists have failed.

In any case, what is there to lose ? If felt so the orders can be rescinded.

The future cannot forever be a captive of the past.
 
Read the following carefully :

Pakistan's trade bear-hug with China

By Syed Fazl-e-Haider

KARACHI - China and Pakistan, which have strongly increased bilateral trade this decade with the help of a series of free-trade agreements (FTAs), have committed to doubling their commerce within the next three to four years.

That is raising concern about the impact on Pakistan's domestic industries, due to the disproportionate value of Chinese imports to the country, while cheating using FTA-related documentation is also worrying authorities.

Annual trade has increased from less than US$2 billion in 2002 to $6.9 billion, with a goal of $15 billion by 2014. China, which has surpassed the European Union as Pakistan's second-largest trading partner, exported goods worth $5.5 billion to Pakistan and imported $1.3 billion worth of products. The United States is Pakistan's biggest trading partner.

Critics say that the official amount of Chinese exports to Pakistan do not reflect the real, larger, scale of Chinese goods brought into the country, and that China's trade surplus is expected to increase as Pakistan has less to offer in the way of merchandise.

Under an FTA on trade in services, which became operational on October 10 last year, Pakistan is opening 102 sub-sectors of 11 major sectors and China is further opening 28 sub-sectors of six major sectors. Both countries have offered greater concessions than those committed under the World Trade Organization General Agreement on Trade in Service (GATS).

Strong penetration of cheap Chinese products into the Pakistani market is already raising local concerns, as they drive less-competitive manufacturers in the South Asian country out of the domestic market. Critics say that a weaker country in an FTA pact is always given some advantages to protect its industry from the adverse impact of making the agreement beneficial for both signatories. In Pakistan's case, China already dominates the local market as a supplier of most consumer goods there.

Chinese investment in Pakistan has increased across many sectors of the economy, including port development, roads, railways, mobile telephony, communication technology, hydro and thermal power, mining, electronics, and nuclear energy, APP reported, citing an article recently published in the China Foreign Trade magazine. The areas of bilateral co-operation include the establishment of the Pakistan and China Joint Investment Co (JIC) for direct investment and joint ventures. The objective is to support Chinese investments in Pakistan and earn profits for its investors. The FTA covers 85% of the goods traded between the two countries.

"JIC has paid up capital of $200 million which we are trying to enhance to $1 billion," the China Foreign Trade report quoted Masood Khan, Pakistan's ambassador to China as saying. "If we compare the current trade figure of $6.9 billion, with the figure of $1.8 billion in 2002, we have certainly done well. However, our target is to reach the figure of $15 billion in the next three to four years."

Under an FTA signed in 2006, the two countries agreed to implement the first phase of a reduction in customs duty from July 1, 2007. This helped to provide a level-playing field to Chinese investors for making investment in various sectors of Pakistan economy. Islamabad has announced incentives for Chinese entrepreneurs investing an industrial park through a protocol under the FTA, while the Chinese government has through the protocol committed to consider duty free access into China for all products manufactured in the park.

Islamabad plans a comprehensive strategy to attract foreign investment, particularly from China, in its northern areas, now called Gilgit-Baltistan. The country is specially focusing on the power sector to harness the huge water potential of the mountainous region with the help of China. Major hydropower projects in which Chinese companies are involved or interested include the Bunji and Basha dams and the Kohala and Neelum-Jhelum hydro-electric power projects. Gilgit-Baltistan, which connects Pakistan to China's western province of Xinjiang, is seen by both India and Pakistan as part of the larger unresolved Jammu and Kashmir issue involving those two countries.

Some experts say the present FTAs are unlikely to push bilateral trade up to $15 billion until Pakistan improves its internal security, promotes its exports and encourages its business community to invest in China. Some Chinese investors are pulling out from Pakistan because of deteriorating security, with the intensification of the war against Taliban insurgents in the country's northwest and rising incidents of violence in insurgency-hit south western province of Balochistan posing a threat to Chinese interests.

The number of Chinese companies in Pakistan has plummeted to about 60, involved in 122 projects, from about 145 private businesses in 2003.

Pakistani authorities have detected extensive massive misuse of the FTAs signed between the countries, involving importers who submit wrong "certificates of origin" to clear non-Chinese made goods from Pakistani ports. The extent of this misuse has yet to be determined.

In one example using forged certificates of origin, consignments shipped from Hong Kong with "Chinese" certificates of origin cannot be treated as goods being cleared under the Pakistan-China FTA, according to a Business Recorder report.

The actual misuse of the FTA may be considerably more than what is indicated by intercepted consignments re-examined by the authorities. Mobile phones imported under the FTA jumped from 0.3 million during January-March 2009 to about 3 million in the same period this year. Yet the amount of duties and taxes paid on the imports so far this year was much lower than in the same period a year ago.

Syed Fazl-e-Haider (Syed Fazl e Haider ) is a development analyst in Pakistan. He is the author of many books, including The Economic Development of Balochistan (2004). He can be contacted at sfazlehaider05@yahoo.com

(Copyright 2010 Asia Times Online (Holdings) Ltd. All rights reserved. Please contact us about sales, syndication and republishing.)

It is a fact that FTA with China has led to scores of Pakistani Industries going "Belly Up".

As such Pakistan should not give any MFN to India. If Pakistan gives MFN Status to India then whatever Pakistani Industries - especially those manufacturing Consumer goods - are presently holding up against the Chinese Imports, will find themselves decimated by Indian Imports.
 
The Indian part that gonna benefit is Amritsar region:partay:

and those who are worried about Indian goods being cheaper that those of Pakistan...............need not to worry.

WTO gives power to every state to impose anti-dumping duty to goods imported to safegaurd local manufacturer:taz:

This will make Indian goods of similar value as of Pakistan and pakistan govt. will also earn tax:cheers:

Amritsar get ready for robust growth:chilli:
 
The Indian part that gonna benefit is Amritsar region:partay:

and those who are worried about Indian goods being cheaper that those of Pakistan...............need not to worry.

WTO gives power to every state to impose anti-dumping duty to goods imported to safegaurd local manufacturer:taz:

This will make Indian goods of similar value as of Pakistan and pakistan govt. will also earn tax:cheers:

Amritsar get ready for robust growth:chilli:


Our Punjab is moving towards next level from agriculture to Industrialization. It will have robust growth no matter what.

But in this thread we are talking about India-Pakistan.
 
Pakistanis are having the same goose bumps that we had when we were opening our economy but the result is there in front of us all.

Before liberalization people used to say that MNC's will rule India and Indian comply will be purchased by MNCs, there will be job losses etc. etc. but its the opposite.

Now we are purchasing companies all of the world and our companies are strong as never before.
 
Its a good step ahead & will help both nations... & will help towards perhaps between the two.
 

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