Meet Owj: Iran’s First Indigenous Fighter Jet Engine

[Faravahar]

Software cannot defy the laws of physics. The Chinese on this forum tried. Resorting to mysterious software is a cheap cop-out.


Because you did not know of these details. If you did, you would not have posted that image in post 146. You would have been true to the technical reality that such a small array is tactically useless due to its large beamwidth.


Bandwidth ? It is BEAMWIDTH. Like this...

According to the laws of physics, there is an INVERSE relationship between array and operating freq for any desired beamwidth. I cannot dumb it down further than that.


Then they are good for weather. Not against an aircraft carrier fleet and/or bombers.


Then you are vulnerable to weather and/or spoofing. You will end up chasing ghosts.


In the US, we have a group calls 'ham radio' operators.

http://www.arrl.org/what-is-ham-radio

They use various freqs in the OTH bands to communicate with people all over the world. So yes, the US military knows about how to freq agility in radar operations.

It is not a "cheap cop out", development on software have greatly made radars systems in general much more efficient. I am not going to comment to what extent software can help, simply because I don't have an insight into the systems operated. There was a paper written on this "ghost" phenomenon you referred to and how to reduce its likelihood, I'll see if I can find it.

OTH radars are not perfect, but when you have different OTH radars, working together with other radars such as long range AESA etc then this will provide a very robust system. If one was foolish to simply rely on one radar system, then the influences of the shortcoming of that radar would be much more significant.

Anyway this conversation has gone quite off track. We can talk for years about theoretical war scenarios, but only if such things have to been applied in practise (let's hope not) then we'll know for sure.

 

[Draco.IMF]

is this thread still about the OWJ jet engine?,...

 

[gambit]

It is not a "cheap cop out",...

Yes, it is.

If you want to resort to mysterious software, then you must know the old programming adage: Garbage in, garbage out.

Software cannot compensate for poor data. Simple as that.

I am not going to comment to what extent software can help, simply because I don't have an insight into the system operated.

Not only that, you do not have even the basic understanding of radar principles. You did not care to learn. You did not question what the Iranian military said.

You said this earlier in post 149 page 10...

...it can vary it frequency, presumably to make it less likely to be effected by ARM's. Such radars are naturally very difficult to be target anyway by ARM due to their long wavelengths.

This is technically NOT TRUE.

The above is a representation of the basic pulse train. Each sine wave represent one cycle. Now imagine each cycle to be one meter or even tens of meters length for a typical OTH radar band. This mean for each transmission, the station would have to be active for SEVERAL SECONDS, plenty of time for an anti radiation missile to acquire lock.

 

[Draco.IMF]

is this thread still about the OWJ jet engine?,...

 

[AmirPatriot]

The folly here is to buy in what the Iranian government produced regarding what the Iranian military can do.

You are now saying anything the Iranian government says about its military capabilities is lies.

Come back to me when you want to have a non-jingoistic debate, not a diktat on your part.

is this thread still about the OWJ jet engine?,...

Certainly not your Iran since the Industrial Revolution

First use of a UCAV...

First operational anti-ship ballistic missile...

As for martial history, I suggest you don't go there.

 

[Draco.IMF]

First operational anti-ship ballistic missile...

Khalij Fars?

or are you talking about the allegedly Sejil-2 transformed anti ship ballistic missile with a range of over 1000km?
because the second one are only rumours...

 

[AmirPatriot]

Khalij Fars?

Indeed. The Sejjil hasn't been officially confirmed as ASBM though. I think we'd need greater targeting capabilities for a 2000 km range ballistic missile.

 

[MarcsPakistan]

Congratulations

 

[Oldman1]

still lack quantity and fall short when it comes to range and real life maneuvering high speed targets equipped with jammers.

Trust me that's just a test and will be put on drones and small and large ships to handle vast suicide boats. And small boats will not be able to jam these missiles. Not even able to evade or go fast against these missiles.

The LCS? Puh-lease. That's been derided for its high cost and limited capability. Besides, FAC swarms are only 1 part of the navy's doctrine.

Lol! These missiles can be put on drones other aircraft and ships not just LCS. And like you said it's just one of our U.S. Navy's doctrine. Lasers and anti ballistic missiles and cruise missiles.

 

[mohsen]

Trust me that's just a test and will be put on drones and small and large ships to handle vast suicide boats. And small boats will not be able to jam these missiles. Not even able to evade or go fast against these missiles.


Lol! These missiles can be put on drones other aircraft and ships not just LCS. And like you said it's just one of our U.S. Navy's doctrine. Lasers and anti ballistic missiles and cruise missiles.

in 2002 wargame your entire fleet was drowned in 10 minutes just with our missiles, so you can forget about meeting our boats.

but if you could meet 500 of them simultaneously (which you can't, not even in your wet dreams), then you better know that our boats are made of composite material so you can forget about picking them up in your radars, the same way you couldn't and can't identify not only Iranian drone, but even Hezbollah drone flying right above your fleet in Mediterranean sea. when you can't find it, you can't hit it, whether with Laser or any other junk.

better end watching your Hollywood clips and start reading the news.

 

[gambit]

You are now saying anything the Iranian government says about its military capabilities is lies.

Yes, I do. We -- meaning the world -- is still waiting for that Iranian 'stealth' fighter.

Am not saying that to mock Iran, but doubts that are based upon nearly 19 yrs of aviation experience, in and out of the military.

Come back to me when you want to have a non-jingoistic debate, not a diktat on your part.

I have been. No one in this thread have provided as much technical information as I have when the discussion got into an area I know.

First use of a UCAV...

First operational anti-ship ballistic missile...

Sorry, but that does not cut it. To change the path of a field or an industry, a new idea is not enough. You must show the field or the industry that you are willing to take the lead and demonstrate to everyone that unless they go along, they will be behind. So far, in the arts and crafts of warfare, the US have been a consistent prominent player. Iran have not.

As for martial history, I suggest you don't go there.

There is a point where going back to history is no longer applicable. What infantry today still uses chariots ?

 

[That Guy]

train to die you mean!


and one of the reasons the following one was developed was ...

and the reason Hizbollah drone flied 400km above Israel and NATO warships before being identified visually near dimona was ...
and the reason that Israel never published the wreckage footage was ...
and the reason the recent Hizbollah drone evaded 2 patriot missiles and one air to air missile was ...

I mean, you can continue to believe whatever you want, but facts remain facts.

 

[mohsen]

I mean, you can continue to believe whatever you want, but facts remain facts.

exactly, but too bad you can't distinguish the facts from your delusions.
2016:
Cowardice and Incompetence in the Persian Gulf – The US Navy has Severe Problems
Grounded: Nearly two-thirds of US Navy's strike fighters can't fly
...

 

[Callsign Chaos]

Congrats

 

[AmirPatriot]

Am not saying that to mock Iran

Aren't you? You seem to make it out as if the only thing Iran claims it makes or does is the Q-313. Or, you're using that one thing as an example for the entire country, which is plainly false.

I direct you the the several posts made by PeeD in this thread. Here, you can learn about Iran's Bavar-373 and how it is entirely real and not lies or propaganda. And you can learn how to make respectful non-jingoistic comments! It's like killing two birds with one long range SAM.

No one in this thread have provided as much technical information as I have when the discussion got into an area I know.

And when we're not in your subject area, you're hopeless. Comparing Iran to Iraq in terms of war fighting capability is something reserved almost exclusively for readers of Fox News.

Sorry, but that does not cut it. To change the path of a field or an industry, a new idea is not enough. You must show the field or the industry that you are willing to take the lead and demonstrate to everyone that unless they go along, they will be behind. So far, in the arts and crafts of warfare, the US have been a consistent prominent player. Iran have not.

Oh, I know. I was just trying to prevent you from taking a massive dump on our country. Otherwise you would continue comparing us to Saddam's Iraq which wasn't a pioneer of anything.

There is a point where going back to history is no longer applicable. What infantry today still uses chariots ?

I just thought it necessary to remind you that Iran, unlike the US, has a long history, otherwise you'd go on another nationalistic rant.