Mechanised Divisions Pakistan Army

[Inception-06]

Put them on loc like India did as cheap bunker busters they seriously caused a lot of destruction when loc was hot. India decimated a few of our posts with them as stationary cannons.

You are right, that’s a good suggestion, we have done that with retired SPG-9 and 105 mm recoilless rifle, also the Bakthar Shikan has taken the role as bunker artillery. And yes during „peace time“ specialised units of Type-59 could be attached to the LOC Theater. While during war time, they should be attached to Infantry formations, to utilise their long range gun and mobility packed in a armour, while Pakistan can’t afford a expensive, maintenance and training intensive Mobile Gun System like the Stryker M1128 or the Chinese ZTL-11 (Type 11) Assault Gun.


The Type-59/69 fleet could be transferred to provide direct fire support for infantry battalions and engage enemy light vehicles and stationary targets such as bunkers.

And more:

• Armoured reconnaissance
• Armoured support
• Flanking security

Historycall proven successful: Assault guns are designed to provide direct fire support for infantryattacks, especially against other infantry or fortified positions.

 

[Inception-06]

History:

 

[Inception-06]

„Nearly all armoured regiments have been rotated in the coin war in Pakistan, mainly the crews of course“:According to Major General S.A. Hamid.

What do you suggest for the Rest of the Type-59 Fleet with all their ammunition, spare, parts and built infrastructure?

@PanzerKiel woow ja matlab - Woow means I either I am wrong and there’s not much left of the Type-59 Fleet to discuss or it’s already planned for Reserve formations .

 

[Raja Porus]

What do you suggest for the Rest of the Type-59 Fleet with all their ammunition, spare, parts and built infrastructure?

Remember in 65 we raised new armoured regts such as 34 TDU that were used to great effect in Sulemanke.
Similarly we raised new Inf Bns such as 22PR, 23 FF. They along with Hurs and Rangers captured Kishangarh salient, Ghotaru and Sadhewala were taken. The new regiments helped retain these inroads and this proved so effective that they allowed a full-return to original borders at Tashkent, despite the fact that IA had captured more territory.

Although PA will now refrain from ad-hocism still it may be tempted to bring out its T59s/69s(especially those with NVs). They can be used for attrition of enemy forces for preservation of ones own(like changez force in 71), flank protection, inf support, protection of gun positions/tac-hqs, limited counter offenses to off-set/foil enemy attacks, screening or to immediately capture any opportunity before the Infantry arrives.

 

[Signalian]

History:

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1st pic: I was always curious of camo set up time.
Love the urdu wording of "Guided" and "TOW".

3rd Pic: Check the starch on that uniform, should be " Starchy Stinger"

4th pic: All three definitely seem from Punjab Regiment, two of them even seem twins. Did you notice this ones a left hand drive, CJ series perhaps?

You are right, that’s a good suggestion, we have done that with retired SPG-9 and 105 mm recoilless rifle, also the Bakthar Shikan has taken the role as bunker artillery. And yes during „peace time“ specialised units of Type-59 could be attached to the LOC Theater. While during war time, they should be attached to Infantry formations, to utilise their long range gun and mobility packed in a armour, while Pakistan can’t afford a expensive, maintenance and training intensive Mobile Gun System like the Stryker M1128 or the Chinese ZTL-11 (Type 11) Assault Gun.


The Type-59/69 fleet could be transferred to provide direct fire support for infantry battalions and engage enemy light vehicles and stationary targets such as bunkers.

And more:

• Armoured reconnaissance
• Armoured support
• Flanking security

Historycall proven successful: Assault guns are designed to provide direct fire support for infantryattacks, especially against other infantry or fortified positions.
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Walk with T-59s, so convenient.

Try running along AKs and T-80s in semi desert.

 

[Raja Porus]

4th pic: All three definitely seem from Punjab Regiment, two of them even seem twins. Did you notice this ones a left hand drive, CJ series perhaps?

Yep clean shave save mustache, typical of the men of Punjab. If you visit a Punjab regiment of today, you'll still think that these same men have been transported forward to the future. Their grit, physique, accent hasn't changed.
I often think about how much Punjab has given to defence of Indus and how many have been returned to its soil while doing so..

3rd Pic: Check the starch on that uniform, should be " Starchy Stinger

The unit dhobi must be an honest man.

 

[Great Janjua]

I mean not to be repetitive but we are lacking a good IFV. M113s are fine as battle taxis. But modern IFVs can do much more whilst being battle taxis.

Our modernisation focus should be especially on mechanised infantry the backbone of victory.

 

[Inception-06]

@iLION12345_1
What’s the difference between this two M-113 from the front they look differently, I guess one is Pakistani made and other is imported ?

 

[Signalian]

@iLION12345_1
What’s the difference between this two M-113 from the front they look differently, I guess one is Pakistani made and other is imported ?View attachment 826729

VCC i think, Italian ones

 

[Dreamer.]

@iLION12345_1
What’s the difference between this two M-113 from the front they look differently, I guess one is Pakistani made and other is imported ?View attachment 826729

The one in the front (no.5) is Pak made version known as Al Talha APC (it's based on M-113).
The base vehicle is Al Talha but it may also have a custom name based on the weapon it carries. This one would be 'Maaz' if i am not wrong.


The one on the back (no.4) is standard M-113 APC, this one is carrying TOW missile.

 

[PanzerKiel]

@iLION12345_1
What’s the difference between this two M-113 from the front they look differently, I guess one is Pakistani made and other is imported ?View attachment 826729

Number 5 is Talha, standard issue for LAT, number 4 is M 113P model, Pak made, standard issue for HAT.

 

[Raja Porus]

IABGs or directly under 25 Mech Div?

AK1 are also with 18 Inf div, Hyderabad.

@iLION12345_1
What’s the difference between this two M-113 from the front they look differently, I guess one is Pakistani made and other is imported ?View attachment 826729

Number 5 is Talha, standard issue for LAT, number 4 is M 113P model, Pak made, standard issue for HAT.

So 26 mech div has a LAT as well as HAT.

 

[Inception-06]

Number 5 is Talha, standard issue for LAT, number 4 is M 113P model, Pak made, standard issue for HAT.

Then there must two Versions then, because Thala was called this one with beveled sides and firing ports. Maybe the M113P is the 1990s made Model while the one with firing Port’s is the model afterwards, or they decided to stay with M113P without firing ports.

 

[Tipu7]

Then there must two Versions then, because Thala was called this one with beveled sides and firing ports. Maybe the M113P is the 1990s made Model while the one with firing Port’s is the model afterwards, or they decided to stay with M113P without firing ports.

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M-113P is HIT assembled M-113A2. M-113A2 Kits were brought from USA in 90s and Chinese 12.7mm was mounted separately.
Other one is Italian VCC-1 purchased second hand couple of years ago.

 

[Inception-06]

M-113P is HIT assembled M-113A2. M-113A2 Kits were brought from USA in 90s and Chinese 12.7mm was mounted separately.
Other one is Italian VCC-1 purchased second hand couple of years ago.

I know that but compare the pictures which I have posted, you will notice the one on parade doesn’t have firing ports on the sides ! Did you notice it ?