Mechanised Divisions Pakistan Army

[Inception-06]

all troops are mounted in the streets.

Dismount and spread to the flanks, some can stay behind the vehicles while the gunner und vehicle commander continues to surveillance the forwarding area- men even the Syrias have perfected that baby lessons.

Because they are to afraid or even don’t know how to dismount ? Feeling saver inside and waiting for some Drone attacks or RPGs, Molotov cocktails or more terrifying NLAWS or Javelins, I don’t see any rational thing in the Russian art of war fighting compared to NATO standards, may be I am to ideally and to NATO drilled. What your assumption? Possible that Pakistanis are better artists in this field ?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Cmon dear, you still believe that Ukraine is behind all these counters?

It's a JV!! For a reason, a number of JVs for the critical components, especially for the engines of all sorts, were formed b/w the Ukranian and Turkish companies a couple of years back! Even a thief finds a way out if he starts planning early....

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

that Pakistanis are better artists in this field ?

Who had won over the Soviets and NATO in Afganistan??? Running over a garrison of 34K troops - without any air, armored artlillary, naval, logistics etc. support - stationed 1200 miles away and being surrounded by 15:1 enemy advantage is the epitome of the Indo-Soviet military success in the last 50 years....

 

[Signalian]

Dismount and spread to the flanks, some can stay behind the vehicles while the gunner und vehicle commander continues to surveillance the forwarding area- men even the Syrias are perfected that baby lessons.

Because they are to afraid or even don’t know how to dismount ? Feeling saver inside and waiting for some Drone attacks or RPGs, Molotov cocktails or more terrifying NLAWS or Javelins, I don’t see any rational thing in the Russian art of war fighting compared to NATO standards, may be I am to ideally and to NATO drilled. What your assumption? Possible that Pakistanis are better artists in this field ?

They are not anticipating resistance from the streets in the form of RPG or ATGM or bazooka. Maybe the town has been cleared from Ukranian soldiers while civilians could be carrying AKs only which wont leave a dent even on the armored vehs. Possibly the routes for convoys offer no threat except from the air (UCAV).

Now have you noted the amount of russian army trucks in other videos. Those are the support vehs to sustain armored and mechanized forces. Next, Russian soldiers are moving in MRAPs instead of light 4x4s like pickups or SUVs. Basically there are T-72s, BMPs and MRAPs.

Notice three things in below video:

1. civilian cars driving as if its a normal day
2. Russian MRAP engaging Ukranian Strela at short distance
3. Strela not engaging MRAP

Cmon dear, you still believe that Ukraine is behind all these counters?

If it was Ukrainian's, then such attacks would have been occurring from Day-1 on Ukrainian-Russian border. In fact, Russians might not have made it to outskirts of Kyiv in a matter of a day or 2. "Droning" has started a bit late, nonetheless, its effective.

 

[Signalian]

I would love to discuss these aspects, but I need time.

Time ?
That is Sunderji's doctrine.

Try the IBG doctrine, bring your best energies forward, don't wait for reserves or amassing all energy for a full scale invasion on PDF.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Time ?
That is Sunderji's doctrine.

Try the IBG doctrine, bring your best energies forward, don't wait for reserves or amassing all energy for a full scale invasion on PDF.

With @PanzerKiel watching, and laughing himself into hiccups over every other post, I dare not.

 

[Inception-06]

Time ?
That is Sunderji's doctrine.

Try the IBG doctrine, bring your best energies forward, don't wait for reserves or amassing all energy for a full scale invasion on PDF.

The Drones are making new rules on the battlefield, anything Pakistan can throw against it, expect the static GDF guns. ( I guess the Drones have reduced the price and attractiveness of the Russian equipment.

 

[Signalian]

The Drones are making new rules on the battlefield, anything Pakistan can throw against ? expect the static GDF guns.

Triangulation through inter-linked radars for detecting and then tracking drone. A laser guided SAM achieving LOS (line of sight) trajectory for targeting the drone like (RBS-70 with Gir-radar) could be better than targeting with a heat-seeker SAM like Anza series/Stinger.

Those 35mm/40mm AAA guns are linked with Gir-radar too for pin-point accuracy to tear away any threat (UAV/gunships) which passes through SAM line. They are also effective against drone-swarm attack and mini/micro drones so wouldnt count them out yet. As for static, load GDFs onto a flat bed and move them around. Static is fine too. Barrels and Tubes combination is effective, they compliment each other.

 

[Inception-06]

Triangulation through inter-linked radars for detecting and then tracking drone. A laser guided SAM achieving LOS (line of sight) trajectory for targeting the drone like (RBS-70 with Gir-radar) could be better than targeting with a heat-seeker SAM like Anza series/Stinger.

Those 35mm/40mm AAA guns are linked with Gir-radar too for pin-point accuracy to tear away any threat (UAV/gunships) which passes through SAM line. They are also affective against drone-swarm attack and mini/micro drones so wouldnt count them out yet. As for static, load GDFs onto a flat bed and move them around. Static is fine too. Barrels and Tubes combination is effective, they compliment each other.

Hopefully Indians haven’t something like the Turkish Drones, what you write sound logically and good, but what I see from the Russians as self declared superpower regarding the SHORAD performance its a joke.

 

[Signalian]

Hopefully Indians haven’t something like the Turkish Drones, what you write sound logically and good, but what I see from the Russians as self declared superpower regarding the SHORAD performance its a joke.

Which AD do you have in mind as an effective counter to UAVs ?

 

[Signalian]

Who had won over the Soviets and NATO in Afganistan??? Running over a garrison of 34K troops - without any air, armored artlillary, naval, logistics etc. support - stationed 1200 miles away and being surrounded by 15:1 enemy advantage is the epitome of the Indo-Soviet military success in the last 50 years....

Alright back to the thread.

Have you seen videos of Ukrainian civilians confronting Russian Armored vehicles like MBTs? Pondering why Tanks are operating in smaller groups without infantry support.

Secondly, tanks and other vehicles running out of fuel. This is the logistical part which comes in planning before invasion and then sustainability during campaign. I have been saying in Indo-Pak scenario that PA logistics line has to be held intact if Strike Corps were to cross border and enter India.

In Russia's case, was the scale of invasion too quick than anticipated by Russian Generals ? Were Logistics slow to catch up ? Was it badly planned from the start ? Were local fuel resources (Ukrainian petrol pumps) considered as an alternative ?

Ordinance by MBTs may not have been spent much however there was lot of small arms and artillery fire, so ordinance and ammo supplies shouldn't be an issue.

 

[Inception-06]

Which AD do you have in mind as an effective counter to UAVs ?

Your description with the RBS-70 and the OTHER MANPAD inventory could be tested in training sessions with the PAKISTANI DRONES.

A development of a Anti-UAV Defense System (AUDS) in Pakistan in collaboration with Turkey or China. Something like the Chinese TY-90 the Yitian or in the line with US Stryker SHORAD version. The Drone Shrek is a new phenomenal factor which can be dealt with a in-house solution, the military leaders see it as necessary.

 

[Signalian]

Is a 5-km long armored and supply convoy lined up on the road a good idea ?
Fuel, logistics, armored vehs.

Pros and Cons please ?

With @PanzerKiel watching, and laughing himself into hiccups over every other post, I dare not.

I have given diverse food for thought in posts after request from Inception-06's.
Care to chip in now.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

A development of a Anti-UAV Defense System (AUDS) in Pakistan in collaboration with Turkey or China.

A Turkish plan is to extract a thorn with a thorn!! Hence, Akinji and Aksungur type heavy load long duration UAVs with on-the-fly AI capability, AESA radars, BVR/WVR A2A missiles, EW suites, laser weapons etc. are being planned to be deployed in a net centric environment at 40K to 50K ft altitude in large numbers for a 24/7 coverage....

 

[Oldman1]

Is a 5-km long armored and supply convoy lined up on the road a good idea ?
Fuel, logistics, armored vehs.

Pros and Cons please ?


I have given diverse food for thought in posts after request from Inception-06's.
Care to chip in now.

I can't think of pro thing about it, except being close together.

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