Mechanised Divisions Pakistan Army

[farooqbhai007]

Interesting vests with the PA ,

Also Saudi fitness levels

 

[Steppe Wolff]

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Interesting vests with the PA ,

Also Saudi fitness levels

Masha’Allah. Our Troops looking fit and disciplined as usual.

 

[rvats]

Do some visuals/video on following information also for comparison. Correct if necessary.

Northern Command
XIV Fire and Fury Corps - Leh
3 Infantry Division - Trishul - Leh
8 Mountain Division - Forever in Ops - Dras
121 (I) Infantry Brigade - Kargil Brigade - Kargil
102 (I) Infantry Brigade - Siachen Brigade - Partapur
118 (I) Infantry Brigade - Parashu - Nyoma
254 (I) Armoured Brigade - Snow Leopard - Leh


XV Chinar Corps - Srinagar
19 Infantry Division - Dagger - Baramulla
28 Infantry Division - Vajr - Gurez


XVI White Knight Corps - Nagrota
10 RAPID - Crossed Swords - Akhnoor
25 Infantry Division - Ace of Spades - Rajauri
39 Infantry Division - Dah - Yol


Western Command
II Kharga Corps - Ambala
1 Armoured Division - Airavat - Patiala
9 Infantry Division - Pine - Meerut
22 Infantry Division - Charging Ram - Meerut
40 Artillery Division - - Ambala
16 (I) Armoured Brigade - Black Arrow - Mamun


IX Rising Star Corps - Yol
26 Infantry Division - Tiger - Jammu
29 Infantry Division - Gurj/Silver Mace - Pathankot
2 (I) Armoured Brigade - Fleur de Lis - Mamun
3 (I) Armoured Brigade - Sabre - Ratnuchak


XI Vajra Corps - Jalandhar
7 Infantry Division - Golden Arrow - Firozpur
15 Infantry Division - Panther - Amritsar
23 (I) Armoured Brigade - Flaming Arrow - Amritsar
55 (I) Mechanised Brigade - Double Victory - Beas


Southwestern Command
I First Strike Corps - Mathura
33 Armoured Division - Dot - Hisar
4 RAPID - Red Eagle - Allahabad
42 Artillery Division - Strategic Strikers - Alwar
14 (I) Armoured Brigade - Black Charger - Bathinda


X Chetak Corps - Bhatinda
16 Infantry Division - Amogh - Sriganganagar
18 RAPID - Gandiv - Kota
24 RAPID - Ranbankura - Bikaner
6 (I) Armoured Brigade - Sand Viper - Suratgarh


Southern Command
XXI Sudarshan Chakra Corps - Bhopal
31 Armoured Division - White Tiger - Jhansi
36 RAPID - Shahbaaz - Sagar
54 Infantry Division - Bison - Secunderabad
41 Artillery Division - Agnibaaz - Pune


XII Konark Corps - Jodhpur
11 Infantry Division - Golden Katar - Ahmedabad
75 (I) Infantry Brigade - Bald Eagle - Bhuj
12 RAPID - Golden Axe - Jodhpur
4 (I) Armoured Brigade - Black Mace - Bathinda
340 (I) Mechanised Brigade - Scorpions? - Nasirabad


Eastern Command
XVII Brahmastra Corps - Panagarh
59 Mountain Division - Trinetra - Panagarh
72 Infantry Division - - Pathankot
23 Infantry Division - Cockerel - Ranchi


III Spear Corps -Dimapur
2 Mountain Division - Dao - Dibrugarh
56 Mountain Division - Spearhead - Likabeli
57 Mountain Division - Red Shield - Leimakhong


IV Gajraj Corps - Tezpur
5 Mountain Division - Ball of Fire - Tengra
21 Mountain Division - Red Horns - Rangia
71 Mountain Division - Blazing Sword - Missamari


XXXIII Trishakti Corps - Siliguri
17 Mountain Division - Blackcat - Gangtok
20 Mountain Division - Kirpan - Binnaguri
27 Mountain Division - Striking Lion - Kalimpong


Central Command
14 RAPID - Golden Key - Kapurthala
6 Mountain Division - Garud - Bareilly
50 (I) Parachute Brigade - Shatrujeet - Agra
9 (I) Mountain Brigade - Ibex - Joshimath
119 (I) Mountain Brigade - Panchshul - Pithoragarh
136 (I) Infantry Brigade - Tripeak - Sumdo

Your knowledge of Indian Army ORBAT is commendable. Let me share some inputs:

1)14 RAPID is not RAPID anymore. Its an infantry division now. And only the armored brigade of erstwhile 14 RAPID has moved to Kapurthala.
2) 1 Strike Corps - 4 RAPID, 6 Mountain Division. 33 Armoured Division, while under 1 Corps, is also now AHQ reserve. Reason being, 1 Corps will go to Eastern Ladakh if required.

 

[Raja Porus]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1496694991334391809

Here goes another one of our ultimate god weapons which have made all other weapon systems obsolete and which would've had "cooked" the old Russian MBTs..
See everything has its own place in a battlefield and driving conclusions from a completely one sided encounter (Azer-Armenia) in which the UCAVs flew without any hindrance from effective AD systems is imprudent..
Now can these ultimate UAVs stop the "obsolete" mechanised forces which have adequate AD coverage?

 

[SQ8]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1496694991334391809

Here goes another one of our ultimate god weapons which have made all other weapon systems obsolete and which would've had "cooked" the old Russian MBTs..
See everything has its own place in a battlefield and driving conclusions from a completely one sided encounter (Azer-Armenia) in which the UCAVs flew without any hindrance from effective AD systems is imprudent..
Now can these ultimate UAVs stop the "obsolete" mechanised forces which have adequate AD coverage?

Usage also matters - the Armenians didn’t utilize their AD systems how they should have while it is likely that the Ukrainians didn’t deploy the TB2s as they should have.

 

[Raja Porus]

Usage also matters - the Armenians didn’t utilize their AD systems how they should have while it is likely that the Ukrainians didn’t deploy the TB2s as they should have.

Of course,that's what I wanted to infer. The effectiveness of a system depends on its employment. If you put an armoured regt in unfavorable terrain with AD it will quickly eliminated.
Most people here believe that mechanised forces have been made redundant because of UCAVs because of that conflict but forget to mention that there the tanks were without any effective AD hence they could be easily picked out. Similarly UAVs without proper usage are also useless.
In modern battlefield no system can standout alone and must be synergised to create a symphony. However whenever we discuss a weapon system we attribute godly powers to it. All I wanted to imply was that we should adopt a more sane approach while discussing weapon systems keeping in mind their operational limits and requirements.

 

[Tornado23]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1496694991334391809

Here goes another one of our ultimate god weapons which have made all other weapon systems obsolete and which would've had "cooked" the old Russian MBTs..
See everything has its own place in a battlefield and driving conclusions from a completely one sided encounter (Azer-Armenia) in which the UCAVs flew without any hindrance from effective AD systems is imprudent..
Now can these ultimate UAVs stop the "obsolete" mechanised forces which have adequate AD coverage?

I have always said, the effectivesness of drones in combat is still yet to be seen until it is used against a country with a decent air force or AD systems.

 

[Inception-06]

Of course,that's what I wanted to infer. The effectiveness of a system depends on its employment. If you put an armoured regt in unfavorable terrain with AD it will quickly eliminated.
Most people here believe that mechanised forces have been made redundant because of UCAVs because of that conflict but forget to mention that there the tanks were without any effective AD hence they could be easily picked out. Similarly UAVs without proper usage are also useless.
In modern battlefield no system can standout alone and must be synergised to create a symphony. However whenever we discuss a weapon system we attribute godly powers to it. All I wanted to imply was that we should adopt a more sane approach while discussing weapon systems keeping in mind their operational limits and requirements.

Most posters are to lazy to read and study the combined warfare. They go sometimes so deeply in the technical details, while they don’t have any clue how it would be in a real war, where the human, terrain, and weather factors are the main players on the battlefield.

 

[Inception-06]

Of course,that's what I wanted to infer. The effectiveness of a system depends on its employment. If you put an armoured regt in unfavorable terrain with AD it will quickly eliminated.
Most people here believe that mechanised forces have been made redundant because of UCAVs because of that conflict but forget to mention that there the tanks were without any effective AD hence they could be easily picked out. Similarly UAVs without proper usage are also useless.
In modern battlefield no system can standout alone and must be synergised to create a symphony. However whenever we discuss a weapon system we attribute godly powers to it. All I wanted to imply was that we should adopt a more sane approach while discussing weapon systems keeping in mind their operational limits and requirements.

I know it’s off-topic but it’s related to the core issue which we are facing here in PDF: While many believe we can only be on par with India through an arms race, the PAF showed the opposite during the Pakistan China Air Force exercise, where PAF-7PG demonstrated tactics to confront and defend against SU-27 - J-11series. Also in 1965 (as references: Men of Steel 6 armoured Division in the 1965 war Major General Abrar Hussain) and 1971 wars (as reference: In the Ring and on its Feet- Air Cdre M Kaiser Tufail) The Pakistan Army and Air force were capable of doing more with less military equipment.


See below and understand the impact of Human-tactics-strategy-training:

China Pakistan air force joint exercises J-7PG J-11B-simulated SU-30MKI​

The PAF Pilot says: "So we split at the close range, we arrange the complete formation in such a manner, that we are representing simultaneously, a multi-directional threat to the adversary, to the hostile, now it will be very difficult to the hostile coming in hot to decipher or to make his mind either to engage this one, this one or this one. So this is, what we call a targeting dilemma".

So now I would love to see the technical experts in data comparing arguing with this PAF Pilot, that his plan is antique, and he should straight jump off his combat suit, the war is lost.


/www.rediff.com/news/special/the-daredevil-fighter-pilot-who-survived-a-pakistani-bullet/20150909.htm

Here is another great example for ground warfare, Indian source:

The Pattons have an anti-aircraft gun on top. We attacked them and they fired back. S K Sharma was hit at no 3, I was hit too. I was diving and this tank was shooting at me.The bullet which hit me, came through the side of the aircraft, grazed my shoulder completely and disappeared behind my head.
The noise in the airplane suddenly increased because the canopy had burst and I saw my overall getting soaked in blood.
I didn't know where the bullet went. Our plan was to carry out 4, 5 attacks and this happened in my second attack....."

Watch closely the past war history of other developing countries and the actually ongoing war, The Ukraine Pilots were not capable to sustain the Russian military impact and pressure to take their fighter jets in the air, opposite example the Pakistan Air Force did give the Indian Air force in east Pakistan 1971 war a bloody fight, before surrender.

Many of us haven't participated in any war, including me, some have served and they speak volumes and a realistic language in their military analytics, very less even have handled or operated daily a machine at its peak it might be a car or household machine or a computer and smartphone.

The Janbaaz Force- under the aspect of Men and their machines in the context of Drones and Helicopter as mentioned by @Desert Fox 1 :

My point is: If you are capable to operate a machine, even if it's not on pare with the enemy equipment, but continuously operating it despite the psychological pressure (such as bullet impact, the blood of injured, grenade explosions etc.) and impact of the battlefield, to maintain it and to use every function of the machine to its limits, then you can defend and hold your bay, today Pakistani Forces have reached a military-technical level more than to defend, they can reach success in the battlefield by inflicting heavy losses to men and material of the hostile forces. More the Pakistani Force are capable of damaging the adversary to an unimaginable level.

@Deino​

 

[Joe Shearer]

Excellent. I suggest, we open a separate sticky thread, titled Indian Army ORBAT in the Pakistan Army section, and would be more clarifying if you can point the Corps facing Pakistan, which ones are for China and which ones facing Bangladesh or others.
This way a very clear picture would be available, and in future we can plot these formations on an Indian map and post also for a visual ORBAT of IA.

Lets work on it.

@Nilgiri had done some kind of visual ORBAT for our discussions with @PanzerKiel. I wonder whether that might be helpful.

 

[Inception-06]

@jhungary I have written a little bit about human and machines in the above post. Would you like to comment it ? It would be a great honour for us I don’t expect that you favour any side, but it’s a great contribution for the readers and Members, who have other views. I am not an expert but, trying my best to learn from everyone being it Indians like @Joe Shearer or @Nilgiri ( I think that was his name) or any other nation, I am absolutely not discriminate, when someone can have great analytical discussion.

 

[jhungary]

@jhungary I have written a little bit about human and machines in the above post. Would you like to comment it ? It would be great honor for, I don’t expect that you davor any side, but it’s a great contribution for the readers and Members, who have other views.

Will do it tomorrow. It's 3 am here

 

[TaimiKhan]

@Nilgiri had done some kind of visual ORBAT for our discussions with @PanzerKiel. I wonder whether that might be helpful.

Link to the post ??

 

[Joe Shearer]

Link to the post ??

Just give me a little time. Perhaps an hour? Two of the four participants are no longer with us, a third is aloof and out of reach, and there's nobody here but this chicken.

@jhungary I have written a little bit about human and machines in the above post. Would you like to comment it ? It would be great a honor for us I don’t expect that you favour any side, but it’s a great contribution for the readers and Members, who have other views. I am not an expert but, trying my best to learn from everyone being it Indians like @Joe Shearer or @Nilgri ( I think that was his name), I am absolutely not discriminate, when someone can have great analytical discussion.

@Nilgiri

I rather fear he has left permanently. Not sure, but think so.

 

[Inception-06]

It’s not off topic because the Pakistani Military’s adversary is the Indian Military, so it makes absolutely sense to involve Indian Members and Indian military potential in this discussion, to get a brighter and more realistic picture for any future conflict, god forbids, but the world shows at the moment something else.
We can’t always have discussions, where we just applaud the Pakistani military capabilities without a view and analysis and involvement of Indian inputs. @Signalian hat started this offensive consequently years ago I will continue it, because of the actual ongoing war in war Europe. I wish @Zarvan and @iLION12345_1 @Desert Fox 1 would participate.

@Joe Shearer Sir, I and some other analysts, respected and gentlemen would like to read your perspective.

After seeing the escalation of the Ukraine and Russian war. Pakistan and India have both similary equipment of the ex-soviet or Russian and Ukraine origin. What are the Indian doctrines regarding the combine warfare of Indian mechanised and armoured Units ? Do you think that the Indian logistical and Reconnaissance -surveillance doctrine, discipline and drill’s are equally to the Pakistani or have even a edge in some fields or maybe are totally superior ? How would you rate and dossier the Pakistani combine warfare of the mechanised and armour units in relation clashing the Indian military.

Best regards to all