Max G turn rate (approx.) JF-17 14.4 deg/s vs F-16 13.33 deg/s

[Chak Bamu]

JF-17 2:26:42 - 2:27:07, 25 sec 14.4 deg/s
F-16 2:32:57 - 2:33:24, 27 sec 13.33 deg/s

Yesterday I noted that JF-17 completed 1 turn (360 degrees) from 26:42.5 to 27:05.5 = 23 seconds. F-16 completed 1.5 turns (approximately 540 degrees, can't be certain) from 32:57 to 33:25 = 28 (29?) seconds. I saw the footage again twice today and I can confidently say that both my estimates are correct. The comparison is as expected, but I must note that JF-17 was probably not pulling its max Gs. F-16 was turning appreciably faster (18.9 deg / sec) than JF-17 (15.6 deg / sec).

A friend is claiming that the JF-17 which performed at parade was the one with new engine. It's also proved because the ones who were performing in Karachi were releasing some smoke. @Arsalan @Horus

Quality of fuel could be a factor. Engine tweaking and settings could also make it seem so. Its not that there was no smoke at all. As someone else on another thread has observed (& I agree), taking such a risk on a sensitive day with a new engine is not called for and the probability is quite low.

Do notice that the climb right after low speed high-alpha pass was nothing to be proud of. In veiw of this, a 'new' engine is probably not a great thing. I would rather wait for some proof and hope for a much more powerful new engine.

 

[Arsalan]

A friend is claiming that the JF-17 which performed at parade was the one with new engine. It's also proved because the ones who were performing in Karachi were releasing some smoke. @Arsalan @Horus

As mentioned, this is most probably because those Facebooks experts saw the video of the plane with less visible smoke and decided that this can be a reason enough to start claiming that the engine is a new one and that there is some friend of there friends friend who actually invented that engine.

If we come back to real world, we do know that JF17 is being test flown with WS13 but do you people here think, ANY ONE OF YOU, that flying the plane with an under evaluation engine that have not been inducted and thus not mastered upon as yet on the most important air display of the year make any remote sense? I do not think it does!! If someone here thinks that it makes any sense please do help me understand it as well. Till then, for me, this new engine theory is based on a simple observation that there was little smoke visible and some fanboys though they have acquired bragging rights just as they have made this all important "observation" about smoke!!

@Windjammer @Quwa @TaimiKhan @Dazzler @Oscar @graphican @MastanKhan @Khafee @Rashid Mahmood

 

[Readerdefence]

Well I think I shared a commet before you can buy "Anti Oil burning" chemical agents that prevent oil to burn with fuel and only fuel is burned thus producing no smoke

People use it all time for cars mixed together with oil and added in vehicles , not pretty much the effect is same for Jet Engines as fuel/oil are still used in Jet Engines

Not sure if such chemicals are readily used in Pakistan or Asia
Sold for like 1 buck per bottle effects lasts for 2-3 months normally done together with oil change

Bro you can't use this for jet engines jet A or jet B fuel ️ they use for fighter planes
Basically kerosene oil I'm pretty much sure you can't use this fuel treatment for jf17

Time for people to experiment on old engine and put anti smoke mixture into
oil and run engine ...do it

Order the bottle on Amazon.com ($1-$3.25 per bottle but 2 bottles ) and test it out if it fixes smoke problem worse thing comes , it will make more smoke

All the mixture does it , it makes the oil "less burnable", reduces its capacity to burn which is the main reason why smoke is created from inside the engine (for auto mobiles)

If engine design did not planned for accidental "overmixing" of oil / fuel , it produces a smoke trail.

Here if we take @mastan expertise he might be able to give some clue to us
Thx

 

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As far i watched the jf17 aircrafts were on afterburner's throughout the act ,which is why there was no black smoke

 

[Ultima Thule]

As far i watched the jf17 aircrafts were on afterburner's throughout the act ,which is why there was no black smoke

high alpha pass was without afterburner and smokeless

 

[messiach]

F16 performance is off-mark. Not impressive as in previous years.

JF-17 2:26:42 - 2:27:07, 25 sec 14.4 deg/s
F-16 2:32:57 - 2:33:24, 27 sec 13.33 deg/s

@Windjammer @JamD @gambit

 

[SQ8]

Neither jet was pulling hard.
It is a demonstration for the local crowd over a crowd; safety limits are observed

 

[Panther 57]

Yesterday I noted that JF-17 completed 1 turn (360 degrees) from 26:42.5 to 27:05.5 = 23 seconds. F-16 completed 1.5 turns (approximately 540 degrees, can't be certain) from 32:57 to 33:25 = 28 (29?) seconds. I saw the footage again twice today and I can confidently say that both my estimates are correct. The comparison is as expected, but I must note that JF-17 was probably not pulling its max Gs. F-16 was turning appreciably faster (18.9 deg / sec) than JF-17 (15.6 deg / sec).

it will be incorrect to draw up conclusion on the basis of video of fly past. If at all comparison is to be done it has to be done on the basis of multiple variables like, altitude, speed, g's, angle of bank, etc.

on a different note. It was an impressive show. JF 17 demonstrated that F16 is no more number one.

 

[Chak Bamu]

I was just trying to correct the figures presented by OP. I know a comparison is not that straight forward.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Both are by no means pulling their maximum Gs

how come we never seen any video of JF 17 doing better...ever?

 

[CriticalThought]

i would suggest you to check the turnrate of thunder in one special event this year where thunder will perform madly

Sir, plz elaborate a bit more. You are teasing us poor souls

 

[My-Analogous]

yeah in this demo there is no smoke trail may be Paf cure it and we will see new engine in blk 3 and that will me ultimate killing machine

Now we can't say

 

[CriticalThought]

it will be incorrect to draw up conclusion on the basis of video of fly past. If at all comparison is to be done it has to be done on the basis of multiple variables like, altitude, speed, g's, angle of bank, etc.

on a different note. It was an impressive show. JF 17 demonstrated that F16 is no more number one.

Looking forward to the day when ACM will sit in JF-17B and lead the fly past. That will be the day when officially the reign of F-16 will be over.

 

[Dazzler]

Actually they've done some tweaking to the engine without a doubt. Also, there was one display where thunder completed the full turn in less than 20 seconds.

 

[CriticalThought]

Now we can't say
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