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Massive Foreign Aid to India Continues

Mr Datta-Ray, former editor of the Statesman, has "humorously postulated what the answer would be to anyone questioning British aid to India, saying that the likely retort would be along the lines of: “Well, after they’ve paid for their military and space programmes, there’s very little left for food. Hardly their fault is it you fascist, racist, holocaust denier!”

Here' the rest of the piece:

India’s foremost journalist and supernumerary fellow of Corpus Christi College, Oxford, has called for the ending of British foreign aid to India, calling it demeaning for his country.

Writing in the Indian Telegraph, Mr Sunanda K Datta-Ray said that it was “demeaning for a country to accept foreign money as it is to export economic refugees, whether highly qualified professionals to America or labourers to Singapore.”

Mr Datta-Ray, former editor of The Statesman in Calcutta and New Delhi, correspondent for the International Herald Tribune and Time magazine, and editorial consultant to Singapore’s The Straits Times newspaper, added that “surrendering British aid would remove an unnecessary irritant. It would also be good for India’s self-respect.”

He went on to reveal that India actually has its own foreign aid programme, called the “Indian Technical and Economic Cooperation” programme. It was launched in 1964 and now helps 156 countries, including Afghanistan.

The bizarre situation has therefore arisen where British taxpayers give untold millions to India, whose government in turn dishes out foreign aid to other countries.

“Many Britons feel that their country cannot afford to lavish £825 million on India over three years,” Mr Datta-Ray said, pointing out that the British taxpayer had already provided India with £1,045 million in aid over the previous five years.

Mr Datta-Ray then humorously postulated what the answer would be to anyone questioning British aid to India, saying that the likely retort would be along the lines of: “Well, after they’ve paid for their military and space programmes, there’s very little left for food. Hardly their fault is it you fascist, racist, holocaust denier!”

He also pointed out some harsh economic realities: the International Monetary Fund fears Britain’s public debt might double to a record 100 percent of the gross domestic product over the next five years and that unemployment (2.4 million without jobs) is at a 14-year high in the UK.

“The image of grinding poverty dies hard despite the US ruling that while Pakistan and Bangladesh are ‘developing’ countries, India is a ‘transforming’ nation (which justified slashing American aid by 35 percent to $81 million) and analysts constantly coupling India with China as the economic powers of the future,” he continued.

“India should now review the entire aid programme and the cost in terms of image, repayment and conditionalities,” he said.

* The British National Party has made it very clear that there will be no foreign aid of any sort paid out while British citizens suffer poverty and the lack of essential services.

This is in stark contrast to the Labour and Tory parties, both of whom have undertaken to increase foreign aid despite British people suffering economically.

The British National Party — Blog — Foremost Indian Journalist Calls for End of ?Demeaning? British Aid to India


Mr.Haq you are at again?

Most Indians on this forum never denied India receiving aid, so there is no point in you posting new articles from web, but what we are arguing is that Indian economy is no longer reliant on external aid. The more important question to us is not how much aid we are receiving, but what kind of aid we are receiving, in which sectors and on whose terms.

In India today aid plays more of a supportive role. We are no longer reliant on external assistance for the financing of our planned outlays or for gross capital formation. We have done away with food aid, with tied aid and areas where GOI has substantial control.

Moreover, multilateral assistance that India receives today accounts for 70 % of the total external assistance, out of which, 64% comprises of non-concessional loans at market rate
 
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The intent is to talk about foreign aid received by India and issues related to it.

Indian's have been walking through the 'Pakistan receives aid' door long before Haq started posting, there really has been no shortage of it so I would appreciate if people focused on India in this thread.

The problem arise from the fact that so many Indians have denigrated Pakistan over foreign aid that most Indians don't like admitting that India is a recipient and has been a major recipient in the past.

The same case with poverty and other social issues - too many Indians have been brought up to believe Pakistan is Somalia and so far down the ladder from India, that there is no way Pakistan could compare favorably (or equally) on various socio-economic indicators.

Hence the knee jerk reactions against such posts.

On some threads I have noticed a positive trend, posters have accepted India's failings and talked about potential changes and improvements, and clarification of the stats posted by Haq.

That really should be all that needs to be done on the part of Indians to put their view across.

Of course there should be no need for multiple threads on the same issue. One thread to discuss poverty, another to discuss aid, power, etc. should be enough, and I think we should be mature enough to accept failings and discuss things rationally.


That’s fine Agno, Please also advise Mr. Haq not to bring in Pakistan and stick to the thread
 
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Is it not true that Mr Haq Started a thread with exact same thing in past just maybe 1 month back.

This is not the first thread he is starting on same topic, what is the point. Also it is not that he is repeating is thread for first time either.
 
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We have pointed this out in every thread but Riaz does not get the point. The reference to borrowing clearly mentions soft loans and still if a person is desperate to misinterpret and ill represent facts, then people in this forum will loose interest in making the same points over and over again.

:cheers:

The evasive approach used by Riaz is known to many members here. When he does not have an answer like the question I posed in a thread that was recently closed : KSE Vs BSE/NSE.

> I presented the market cap of top scrips in KSE , BSE.
> He said BSE is hyped and over valued.
> I asked him to forget about market value and consider book value
> this was to couter his hype, BS
> I was asked why I quoted market value in the first place
> No answer for the comparison of Book value was presented.

The above pattern is common and unless that changes this thread will remain a ranting ground for self proclaimed psuedo intellectuals.

Unfortunately, it is you and some of you "thankers" who are too embarrassed to admit the reality of India as just another developing nation going through growing pains and seeking help to deal with its massive problems of poverty, malnutrition, lack of basic hygiene etc. Any talk of foreign aid that you hear from Indians (and others) is as it applies to Pakistan, not to "Shining India".

Instead of acknowledging the real problems of India, some of which are similar to Pakistan which you and other chauvinistic Indians harp on, you try and obscure the facts.

For example, you keep fighting the fact that India still receives more foreign aid than Pakistan. You also deny the fact that soft loans are in fact aid given to poor developing nations, and that most foreign aid to developing nations, including India and Pakistan, is in fact in the form of soft loans and very little of it is outright grants.

Karan, to his credit, is the only Indian poster who has acknowledged that India still receives more foreign aid than Pakistan in absolute amount, not in per capita terms, although even in per capita terms, aid to Pakistan is minuscule relative to other aid recipients in the world.

Here are the figures Karan quoted recently in another thread:

Economic Aid to India: $1,724,000,000
Economic Aid to Pak : $1,666,000,000

Economic aid - recipient 2010 country ranks, By Rank
 
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We have pointed this out in every thread but Riaz does not get the point. The reference to borrowing clearly mentions soft loans and still if a person is desperate to misinterpret and ill represent facts, then people in this forum will loose interest in making the same points over and over again.

:cheers:

The evasive approach used by Riaz is known to many members here. When he does not have an answer like the question I posed in a thread that was recently closed : KSE Vs BSE/NSE.

> I presented the market cap of top scrips in KSE , BSE.
> He said BSE is hyped and over valued.
> I asked him to forget about market value and consider book value
> this was to couter his hype, BS
> I was asked why I quoted market value in the first place
> No answer for the comparison of Book value was presented.

The above pattern is common and unless that changes this thread will remain a ranting ground for self proclaimed psuedo intellectuals.

Unfortunately, it is you and some of you "thankers" who are too embarrassed to admit the reality of India as just another developing nation going through growing pains and seeking help to deal with its massive problems of poverty, malnutrition, lack of basic hygiene etc. Any talk of foreign aid that you hear from Indians (and others) is as it applies to Pakistan, not to "Shining India".

Instead of acknowledging the real problems of India, some of which are similar to Pakistan which you and other chauvinistic Indians harp on, you try and obscure the facts.

For example, you keep fighting the fact that India still receives more foreign aid than Pakistan. You also deny the fact that soft loans are in fact aid given to poor developing nations, and that most foreign aid to developing nations, including India and Pakistan, is in fact in the form of soft loans and very little of it is outright grants.

Karan, to his credit, is the only Indian poster who has acknowledged that India still receives more foreign aid than Pakistan in absolute amount, not in per capita terms, although even in per capita terms, aid to Pakistan is minuscule relative to other aid recipients in the world.

Here are the figures Karan quoted recently in another thread:

Economic Aid to India: $1,724,000,000
Economic Aid to Pak : $1,666,000,000

Economic aid - recipient 2010 country ranks, By Rank
 
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Unfortunately, it is you and some of you "thankers" who are too embarrassed to admit the reality of India as just another developing nation going through growing pains and seeking help to deal with its massive problems of poverty, malnutrition, lack of basic hygiene etc. Any talk of foreign aid that you hear from Indians (and others) is as it applies to Pakistan, not to "Shining India".

Instead of acknowledging the real problems of India, some of which are similar to Pakistan which you and other chauvinistic Indians harp on, you try and obscure the facts.

For example, you keep fighting the fact that India still receives more foreign aid than Pakistan. You also deny the fact that soft loans are in fact aid given to poor developing nations, and that most foreign aid to developing nations, including India and Pakistan, is in fact in the form of soft loans and very little of it is outright grants.

Karan, to his credit, is the only Indian poster who has acknowledged that India still receives more foreign aid than Pakistan in absolute amount, not in per capita terms, although even in per capita terms, aid to Pakistan is minuscule relative to other aid recipients in the world.

Here are the figures Karan quoted recently in another thread:

Economic Aid to India: $1,724,000,000
Economic Aid to Pak : $1,666,000,000

Economic aid - recipient 2010 country ranks, By Rank


well well well look is who is back...
ok the link u gave above looks so amateurish to begin with...it actually looks like designed by someone taking lessons in html..thats not the issue here...i had a look at the site and let me give u something back

this was on indian economy and foreign aid
India Aid - Flags, Maps, Economy, History, Climate, Natural Resources, Current Issues, International Agreements, Population, Social Statistics, Political System

and this on pakistan
Pakistan Foreign Aid - Flags, Maps, Economy, History, Climate, Natural Resources, Current Issues, International Agreements, Population, Social Statistics, Political System

and the data is from 1994 and 1995!!!
just the size of the economy sections for both countries tell u a big story

how on earth do u find sites like these??? u got way too much time in ur hands!!!:victory::victory::victory:
 
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Unfortunately, it is you and some of you "thankers" who are too embarrassed to admit the reality of India as just another developing nation going through growing pains and seeking help to deal with its massive problems of poverty, malnutrition, lack of basic hygiene etc. Any talk of foreign aid that you hear from Indians (and others) is as it applies to Pakistan, not to "Shining India".

Fortunately it is only you and some other hard-core bashers who assume that every Indian thins that India is a super power. Make a straw man and then pretend to demolish it. Even on this forum, the thread dedicated to developments in india is labeled "India Developing - Still a long way to go".

BTW the party which used "India Shining" campeign - lost the election, now what does that tell you.

Instead of acknowledging the real problems of India, some of which are similar to Pakistan which you and other chauvinistic Indians harp on, you try and obscure the facts.
Can you even count how many times Indian posters have replied to you saying we are both in a pathetic social state. When we compare our per capita income (India/Pakistan) do we not see how miniscule the difference is.

For example, you keep fighting the fact that India still receives more foreign aid than Pakistan. You also deny the fact that soft loans are in fact aid given to poor developing nations, and that most foreign aid to developing nations, including India and Pakistan, is in fact in the form of soft loans and very little of it is outright grants.

Karan, to his credit, is the only Indian poster who has acknowledged that India still receives more foreign aid than Pakistan in absolute amount, not in per capita terms, although even in per capita terms, aid to Pakistan is minuscule relative to other aid recipients in the world.

Here are the figures Karan quoted recently in another thread:

Economic Aid to India: $1,724,000,000
Economic Aid to Pak : $1,666,000,000

Economic aid - recipient 2010 country ranks, By Rank
I hope since you acknowledge the same, and now are revealing stats as if it was a quiz... we can agree to close the thread and move onto the next issue in your next thread.
 
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yes i gone through the link,and really we r 1 postition above pakistan in having 'this so called aid's'

Economic Aid to India: $1,724,000,000- 11th
Economic Aid to Pak : $1,666,000,000- 12 th

but what suprised me the most is presence of china on 13th position even above Ethiopia

Economic aid to china:$ 1,641,000,000-13 th
Economic aid to ethiopia: $ 1,600,000,000-14 th

and many pakistani here says that china is no more a third world country,and i think they will still differ in china's case that was no aid that was soft loan:rofl:

the funniest fact is that even congo,ghana and mozambique r below china in taking aids, also a lot of other african nations(i will not name india as it is already poor)

ok coming back to topic why is that the date of information is not specified

it is also not stated the time frame (from each yr to which)

the most intresting fact this information claims to b taken from cia world factbook which i have seen in this forum rejected by most of the pakistani members citing as fabricated information
 
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Unfortunately, it is you and some of you "thankers" who are too embarrassed to admit the reality of India as just another developing nation going through growing pains and seeking help to deal with its massive problems of poverty, malnutrition, lack of basic hygiene etc. Any talk of foreign aid that you hear from Indians (and others) is as it applies to Pakistan, not to "Shining India".

Instead of acknowledging the real problems of India, some of which are similar to Pakistan which you and other chauvinistic Indians harp on, you try and obscure the facts.

For example, you keep fighting the fact that India still receives more foreign aid than Pakistan. You also deny the fact that soft loans are in fact aid given to poor developing nations, and that most foreign aid to developing nations, including India and Pakistan, is in fact in the form of soft loans and very little of it is outright grants.

Karan, to his credit, is the only Indian poster who has acknowledged that India still receives more foreign aid than Pakistan in absolute amount, not in per capita terms, although even in per capita terms, aid to Pakistan is minuscule relative to other aid recipients in the world.

Here are the figures Karan quoted recently in another thread:

Economic Aid to India: $1,724,000,000

Economic Aid to Pak : $1,666,000,000


Economic aid - recipient 2010 country ranks, By Rank

It is not only the "Rank" as Pakistan with nearly One-Seventh the Population-Economy is receiving 95% in terms of Amount and 6.78 Times on a Per Capita Basis.
 
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Unfortunately, it is you and some of you "thankers" who are too embarrassed to admit the reality of India as just another developing nation going through growing pains and seeking help to deal with its massive problems of poverty, malnutrition, lack of basic hygiene etc. Any talk of foreign aid that you hear from Indians (and others) is as it applies to Pakistan, not to "Shining India".

Instead of acknowledging the real problems of India, some of which are similar to Pakistan which you and other chauvinistic Indians harp on, you try and obscure the facts.

For example, you keep fighting the fact that India still receives more foreign aid than Pakistan. You also deny the fact that soft loans are in fact aid given to poor developing nations, and that most foreign aid to developing nations, including India and Pakistan, is in fact in the form of soft loans and very little of it is outright grants.

Karan, to his credit, is the only Indian poster who has acknowledged that India still receives more foreign aid than Pakistan in absolute amount, not in per capita terms, although even in per capita terms, aid to Pakistan is minuscule relative to other aid recipients in the world.

Here are the figures Karan quoted recently in another thread:

Economic Aid to India: $1,724,000,000
Economic Aid to Pak : $1,666,000,000

Economic aid - recipient 2010 country ranks, By Rank

Just so that we all are on the same page

1. India is a developing country and uses aid

2. Pakistan is a developing country and uses aid

3. Aid to India has been decreasing year on year over last decade

4. Aid to Pakistan had been decreasing year on year till 2007 post which there has been a steep upsurge in the aid provided to Pakistan. Key contributors are severe liquidity crisis in the country magnified by economic crisis and WOT

5. Absolute Aid numbers are not a good indicator of the country's dependence on Aid. Case in Point, China received more Aid than India or Pakistan in 2008 :azn:
(Economic aid - recipient 2010 country ranks, By Rank)


6 India's per Capita aid = $1.5. (Rank 160/173 in the list of highest per capita aid receivers)

7 Pakistan's per Capita aid = $9.7 (Rank 127/173 in the list of highest per capita aid receivers)

8 India receives 0.1% of its GDP or 1% of its Central govt annual expenditure as aid

9. Pakistan receives 1.0% of its GDP or 7% of its Fedral govt expenditure as aid
 
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Just so that we all are on the same page

1. India is a developing country and uses aid

2. Pakistan is a developing country and uses aid

3. Aid to India has been decreasing year on year over last decade

4. Aid to Pakistan had been decreasing year on year till 2007 post which there has been a steep upsurge in the aid provided to Pakistan. Key contributors are severe liquidity crisis in the country magnified by economic crisis and WOT

5. Absolute Aid numbers are not a good indicator of the country's dependence on Aid. Case in Point, China received more Aid than India or Pakistan in 2008 :azn:
(Economic aid - recipient 2010 country ranks, By Rank)


6 India's per Capita aid = $1.5. (Rank 160/173 in the list of highest per capita aid receivers)

7 Pakistan's per Capita aid = $9.7 (Rank 127/173 in the list of highest per capita aid receivers)

8 India receives 0.1% of its GDP or 1% of its Central govt annual expenditure as aid

9. Pakistan receives 1.0% of its GDP or 7% of its Fedral govt expenditure as aid

Foreign aid receipts, including soft loans, to Pakistan have also been falling as percent of GDP for decades. In the 1960s, it was as high as 8-10% of GDP, and now it's a couple of percent or less.
 
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Unfortunately, it is you and some of you "thankers" who are too embarrassed to admit the reality of India as just another developing nation going through growing pains and seeking help to deal with its massive problems of poverty, malnutrition, lack of basic hygiene etc. Any talk of foreign aid that you hear from Indians (and others) is as it applies to Pakistan, not to "Shining India".

Instead of acknowledging the real problems of India, some of which are similar to Pakistan which you and other chauvinistic Indians harp on, you try and obscure the facts.

For example, you keep fighting the fact that India still receives more foreign aid than Pakistan. You also deny the fact that soft loans are in fact aid given to poor developing nations, and that most foreign aid to developing nations, including India and Pakistan, is in fact in the form of soft loans and very little of it is outright grants.

Karan, to his credit, is the only Indian poster who has acknowledged that India still receives more foreign aid than Pakistan in absolute amount, not in per capita terms, although even in per capita terms, aid to Pakistan is minuscule relative to other aid recipients in the world.

Here are the figures Karan quoted recently in another thread:

Economic Aid to India: $1,724,000,000
Economic Aid to Pak : $1,666,000,000

Economic aid - recipient 2010 country ranks, By Rank

You are blind in your goal !
Let us put some things in perspective :azn:

Economic Aid
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India: $1,724,000,000
Pakistan : $1,666,000,000

Land mass Area
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India : 2,973,190 Sq Km
Pakistan : 778,720 Sq Km

Aid per unit Sq Km
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India : $ 580
Pakistan :$ 2140
 
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Agno, you are so right about rants in such discussions.. But it swings equally both ways....;)

Excuse me! Where is the rant? I find it very amusing that telling the truth is rant for you. Have Indian members not been calling Pakistan beggar? Do you need proof? There are hundreds of posts from Indian members regarding that. So look before you speak.

Regards
 
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Foreign aid receipts, including soft loans, to Pakistan have also been falling as percent of GDP for decades. In the 1960s, it was as high as 8-10% of GDP, and now it's a couple of percent or less.

Do you know what is the Aid in terms of India's GDP ?
Not a few percentage points but a fraction of a single percent. Why is it that you have double standards ?
 
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You are blind in your goal !
Let us put some things in perspective :azn:

Economic Aid
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India: $1,724,000,000
Pakistan : $1,666,000,000

Land mass Area
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India : 2,973,190 Sq Km
Pakistan : 778,720 Sq Km

Aid per unit Sq Km
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India : $ 580
Pakistan :$ 2140

I see there is some progress here!

You have moved from denying that India receives any aid at all ( or calling it just normal loans), to pointing out that India does not get enough of it and could use more.
 
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