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March of the Taliban By Kamran Shafi

Tuesday, 14 Apr, 2009 | 08:07 AM PST

Taliban activists are seen at an entrance of the shrine of the famous saint Pir Baba adjacent to a mosque, which was closed by Taliban after taking it over in Buner. —AP ON Saturday, March 11, a convoy of 10 double-cabin four-wheel drive pick-up trucks loaded with Taliban armed with every description of portable weapons – Kalashnikovs, rocket launchers, heavy machine guns – drove from Daggar the headquarters of Buner district to the villages of Sohawa and Dagai in Buner.

It entered Swabi district at Jhanda village, drove through the district headquarter (the town of Swabi), drove on to the motorway, exited at Mardan, drove through the cantonment of Mardan and, showing their weapons for all to see, went on towards Malakand.

In doing the above, the Taliban broke many laws of the state of Pakistan not least those that prohibit the possession of heavy weapons; showing weapons publicly and so on. They drove through a district HQ of a district they have not yet occupied (but are well on the way sooner rather than later, given the non-governance being exhibited by the ANP non-government of the Frontier); on the federally policed motorway; through an army cantonment – as a matter of fact right past the Punjab Regimental Centre’s shopping plaza containing the usual bakery and pastry-shop run by serving soldiers – and thence through the rest of the crowded city of Mardan which is also the home of the chief minister of the province.

Must have struck the fear of God into the populace of the villages/cities/ towns/cantonments they drove through, these ferocious men who so recently humbled the great Pakistan Army! So what am I going on about, talking of the laws of the state? What state? What laws? Much shame should adhere to the various actors, or shall we call them jokers, who are prancing about on the national stage striking nonsensical attitudes and mouthing pitiable platitudes.

Just as one example, the very same ‘leaders’ of the ANP who just eight days ago admitted on TV that the flogging of poor Chand Bibi had actually happened but that it happened before they signed the (craven) deal with the Taliban, are now saying the flogging never happened! Look at Muslim Khan, the fiery spokesman of the Taliban in Swat who said, again on TV, that the woman was lucky to have got away with a beating – that she should have been stoned to death. He now says there was no beating at all.

As another, the COAS, Gen Ashfaq Kayani says several weeks after the army handed Swat over to the Taliban that it was ready to face any threat, internal or external! Can you even believe any of this? What is happening to this country of ours; how long will we live in denial; when will we realise that if we don’t act now it will all be over; that the Taliban will simply take over the state using the shock and awe that comes from killing wantonly and cruelly.

Let’s go back to the most recent ‘flag march’ the Taliban carried out from Buner to Mardan via Swabi and see its effects already furthering the Taliban’s agenda. Please go to http://buner.com and see what mayhem they are creating there, recruiting jobless youths by encouraging them to ‘take-over’ their respective areas and neighbourhoods. What, pray, would the loquacious Mian Iftikhar, the Frontier’s information minister, say about this latest in a series of coming conquests for the Taliban?

Does he know that Mansehra and Haripur are next on the hit list and that once in Mansehra the Taliban are but a few hours’ drive from the Karakoram Highway? Does someone in the federal non-government know that once they tie up with the Sunni Chilasis who hate the Shia Gilgitis with a passion, there will be havoc of a very special kind in our Northern Areas?

Is Islamabad the Beautiful cognisant of the fact that our great and good friend, China, is already up to here with the Taliban and others of their ilk, who have forever interfered in their restive province of Xinjiang. This interference goes back to the early 1980s when the highway opened to public traffic and I found myself in the company of two American friends at the Chinese customs post which was then located just below the Khunjerab Pass on the Chinese side.

We noticed that our Pakistani companions, most of them bearded young men, were being searched most closely and out came copies of the Quran from their baggage which the Chinese confiscated saying there were enough copies in China. It is too well known to repeat again the charge the Chinese have oft laid at our door that Chinese citizens are trained in guerrilla training camps in the Frontier.

So, has our FO, ‘unaware’ that it usually is about matters that concern the country that it supposedly serves, taken stock of how the Chinese might react to the march of the Taliban? How will they do when they see that the Taliban are advancing, unchecked, to threaten the one land link China has with Pakistan, and through it with the rest of the world, not forgetting Gwadar? And that once there, given the fact that they face no real opposition from the great Pakistan Army, it is but a day’s drive to the Chinese border itself?

Have our Napoleons and Guderians and Rommels given any thought to any of the above? Where are they and our hopelessly inadequate government in Islamabad the Beautiful in all of this? Have they even begun to realise the gravity of the situation our country is faced with? That if they don’t act fast the Taliban will pick up enough recruits to seriously threaten them and their ill-led and poorly motivated troops? Whilst they might well think that they are safe in their palatial villas guarded night and day by weapons-toting guards and barricades and tens of servants, all it will take is one beheaded body per cantonment every second day for their guards to throw in the towel.

On the ‘bloody civilian’ side, Shah Mehmood Qureshi has been talking down to the Indians most recently in words that are a lot of hot air and bluster. On Swat: ‘The whole of Swat is neither under Taliban control nor is being attacked by them’! On the ISI: ‘Without ISI’s help you (India?!) could not have apprehended the 700 or so Al Qaeda operatives’. As to his first statement the minister obviously needs to read the papers/see TV. For the second I can only say that he is mightily ignorant if he means the 700 as part of those that Musharraf sold to the Americans for $5000 each. Of whom at least 90 per cent have been proved to be innocent by none other than their jailors in Guantanamo. So have a heart, minister.

There is a great furore going on in our self-righteous media about how Pakistan will not accept aid under any conditionality. In the first place it will starve, which isn’t a bad idea at all considering that our brass hats will come crashing down to reality; in the second, let’s see if we have a country by then!

In the meantime, could the non-government of the ANP please resign for its acts of omission and commission re: Swat and Buner.

kshafi1@yahoo.co.uk
 
I agree with it :tup: day by day im getting worried now.
 
I wonder whether all this would have as much impetus without those drone strikes.

Somehow I think a lot of the "sting" in the Taliban's tail would be lost if it weren't for those foolhardy indiscriminate bombing methods.
 
I wonder whether all this would have as much impetus without those drone strikes.

Somehow I think a lot of the "sting" in the Taliban's tail would be lost if it weren't for those foolhardy indiscriminate bombing methods.

We can debate this till Kingdom come but the reality is that the taliban now has a nest to spawn its Armies. Every poor brainwashed loon from over the world will slowly and eventually make his way to this and the adjacent areas and I see soon the Taliban becomming emboldened to drive around freely. Just give it two more years and see how bold the Taliban becomes.

Regards
 
Speaking of drones, lets see if our Mods will allow readers to see this and not delete it late at night:


Drones are a red herring!



Tuesday, April 14, 2009
Anjum Niaz

The writer is a freelance journalist with over twenty years of experience in national and international reporting

"The drones don't fly out of Pakistan," grandly declares President Asif Zardari. It makes headline news. On the same day our army chief expresses similar sentiments. Earlier Prime Minister Gilani and Nawaz Sharif make brave declarations against the drones. Are Pakistanis meant to jump up with joy when our leaders – civilian and military make such statements? Listen, the drones are a red herring. Don't get embroiled in them. It's mere public posturing. We have mixed up our priorities. Outsiders think this country is in its death throes. Pakistan is lurching towards chaos. Our rulers are numbed into inaction. Meanwhile the Don Quixotes of our media are tilting at windmills, riding with their lances to kill the giant who is their perceived enemy. Little do they know that this giant whose other name is the United States of America has our rulers' license to kill. Al Qaeda is their target. If the drones fail to eliminate these foreign thugs, America will hunt them down with boots on the ground.

Will then our armchair jihadis, mushrooming in our television sets, go out and fight the Americans man-to-man?

"More than 70 United States military advisers and technical specialists are secretly working in Pakistan to help its armed forces battle Al Qaeda and the Taliban in the country's lawless tribal areas," according to American military officials quoted in the New York Times. The paper claims that they are training Pakistani Army and paramilitary troops, "providing them with intelligence and advising on combat tactics." This "secret task force" is being overseen by the "United States Central Command and Special Operations Command" according to the paper. The Times further goes on to claim citing an unnamed senior Pakistani military official that a "new Pakistani commando unit within the Frontier Corps paramilitary force has used information from the CIA and other sources to kill or capture as many as 60 militants in the past seven months, including at least five high-ranking commanders, a senior Pakistani military official said."


So what's the brouhaha about?

Holbrooke, 67 is the brouhaha. "Admiral Mullen, cerebral and soft-spoken, often seemed more the diplomat, and Mr. Holbrooke, brash and overbearing, the one with four stars," is how the New York Times describes the duo's engagement in the region recently. It's being said Holbrooke is badly shaken hearing the people in this region support the Taliban. He's flummoxed.

Who can deny that the militants have infiltrated all across Pakistan. They are threatening Islamabad. But our blinkered media continues to drone on about drone attacks not questioning their rulers why they speak with forked tongues. Why are they not taking the citizenry into confidence? Vigilantism is our only survival. The initiated must move beyond the drones and fight to save Pakistan. A nuclear country of 170 million does not "disintegrate" or does it? We're being reminded that we are on artificial respiration and the plug can be pulled out any minute. The Americans and the British have their finger on the hot button. It will be a three-way war, between the US, Taliban and our military guarding our nuclear assets. "The Americans will take out the nuclear arsenal, throw us to the Taliban and calmly walk away," is the common perception among people whose hearts and heads are in the right place.

Red lines, cyber trenches, surveillance satellites, predator reapers, boots on ground, arm-twisting, carrot and stick stories, backchannel negotiations and media leaks dominate our days and nights. Global recession has taken a back seat. Individual bankruptcies are passé. Who cares if families have lost their savings and homes? Who cares if the world is throwing up starving people by the second? Instead all eyes are on Pakistan. The word "disintegration" is pandered across the Atlantic. Pakistan has become the "sick man of the world" just as the Ottoman Empire had become the "sick man of Europe" in the 19th century because it had fallen into a state of decrepitude. Eventually it collapsed.

Will Pakistan also collapse?

When the American administration plans action against a country, it first tests the waters in its own media. "The year 2009 is the year of delivery by Pakistan. If that doesn't happen, the Americans have their own plan of action," Shaheen Sehbai reports from Washington. The countdown has begun. Foreign Minister Shah Mahmud Qureshi can holler down Holbrooke at the press conference or Geneal Kayani can be best friends with his counterpart Admiral Mike Mullen, but Godzilla is getting ready to trample all over our sovereignty.

Today, the Taliban and the Americans appear in charge of Pakistan's future. Not the bulky finance adviser Shaukat Tareen who should be exercised, as the Americans call it, about the impending budget. Should he not be sweating over his figures unless he plans to duck the budget speech next month? Or like Zardari, does he await the largesse promised by the Friends of Pakistan later this month in Tokyo. Those 'friendly' billions will put food on our tables, so to say. And if they don't come in time, will the poor eat grass? Or will Zardari government sign on the dotted line as ordered by America to get that promised $1.5 billion?

War rooms have been erected across Pakistan and the world. We are in the eye of the storm. Life plays out moment to moment. The media has the best war rooms. In Pakistan their guns are aimed at America. And in America, the US media's guns are aimed at Pakistan Army and its ISI. In Britain, Pakistani youth of Pushtun origin are being watched. They are accused of being Taliban supporters. A popular TV host of a late night show in Islamabad insists that we go to war against America. It's the Americans we should fight, not the Taliban, he insists. Many of his callers agree with the jihadis. General (r) Hamid Gul cites the RAW, MI 5, Mossad and CIA working in tandem to destroy Pakistan. He continues to push his plan of forming a lashkar and attack India (the source of all our ills including insurgency in Balochistan). Baitullah Mehsud has offered to command the lashkar.

"It's looking increasingly difficult to save ourselves from the mess we have created," writes a Pakistani from abroad. "The Israelis are professionals at what they do. I remember how we Muslims used to defend the suicide bombings in Israel and now we are getting the taste of the same medicine. How times have changed! We need to reflect on our society and the hatred that we breed for each other in the name of God."

Gen Petraeus, commander for Iraq and Afghanistan, has told a Senate panel recently that militants in Pakistan "could literally take down their state" if left unchallenged. "How does this end?" asks a weary senator. Michele Flournoy, the under-secretary of defence for policy, replies: "a key point of defining success is when both the Afghans and the Pakistanis have both the capability and the will to deal with the remaining threat themselves." Gen Petraeus "echoes" Ms Flournoy. "The task will be for them to shoulder the responsibilities of their own security."
The latest impression leaking out from Washington DC is that neither President Zardari nor General Kayani are willing to embrace serious counterinsurgency measures being forwarded by the Americans. The army chief meanwhile is in Saudi Arabia and the Emirates holding important meetings.

Will our General bring back a blank cheque from the Saudis and the wealthy Gulf States or will he bring back a tacit agreement from them that US drone attacks must only target the Taliban/Al-Qaeda insurgents? If we get real lucky, the army chief may bring back borrowed drones to shake off America. Let us kill the militants ourselves.[/SIZE]



Email: aniaz@fas.harvard.edu
 
I have always liked this columnist. He does not cloud the issue, and is very frank and blunt with his views. They are mostly accurate. In this particular case - I wish he was wrong.
 
We can debate this till Kingdom come but the reality is that the taliban now has a nest to spawn its Armies. Every poor brainwashed loon from over the world will slowly and eventually make his way to this and the adjacent areas and I see soon the Taliban becomming emboldened to drive around freely. Just give it two more years and see how bold the Taliban becomes.

Regards

Isn't that the purpose, to debate?

The Taliban is spawning, I'd agree, and one needs to look at the reasons why this ideology has crept across the border.

Understanding the situation is better than seeing it in context free technicolor.

The first step to a remedy is recognition, the second is understanding. The war next door plays a big part, and one cannot ignore the contribution, or the unfair "persecution" as some see it, of the drone strikes.
 
Isn't that the purpose, to debate?

The Taliban is spawning, I'd agree, and one needs to look at the reasons why this ideology has crept across the border.

Understanding the situation is better than seeing it in context free technicolor.

The first step to a remedy is recognition, the second is understanding. The war next door plays a big part, and one cannot ignore the contribution, or the unfair "persecution" as some see it, of the drone strikes.

Well certain debates are like the chicken or the egg came first ! The Americans and the drone attacks are here to stay but whether they were the catalyst to the Swat deal capitulation can never be co-related. The PA had a chance to neutralise BM and that should have been done long ago. Now he is multi headed hydra Pakistan has to live with.

Regards
 
Isn't that the purpose, to debate?

The Taliban is spawning, I'd agree, and one needs to look at the reasons why this ideology has crept across the border.

Understanding the situation is better than seeing it in context free technicolor.

The first step to a remedy is recognition, the second is understanding. The war next door plays a big part, and one cannot ignore the contribution, or the unfair "persecution" as some see it, of the drone strikes.

simple, i guss power flows from the barrel of a gun?;)
 
"Power flows from the barrel of a gun"?

Well, sure, of course -- see Talib has already decided where he stands, he's armed and hateful -- some here, in the guise of discussion, seek to obfuscate, to confuse Pakistanis further, to make them easy prey to the Islamist terrorist. -- Or they are Agent provacteur.

Why do I say this? Pakistan is in great danger, it's army refuses to act to protect Pakistanis, in fact it's army is itself ******* from the inside because Islamists have infilrated that institutoion as well -- each day a peice of Pakistan is going to the Islamist terrorist -- all the while it's army commander is feted in small rich Island protectorates -- and what of our forum members, shall the admin and Mods bear no responisbility towards it's members, shall they have no responsibility to the truth? Shall the Admin and Mods not be a part of a solution which allows Pakistanis to come together, to recognize the threat, to respond to the danger??

Instead of consolidating the nature of the threat, while Pakistan burns, admin and Mods prefer that Pakistanis be kept busy in "discussion" -- No where do you see a urgency to make a value judgement --

Why is a value judgment necessary?

Obviously, to rationalize and justify a stand.

So why would our mods not want us to take a stand already? when would be a good time for that? when nothing is left of Pakistan?

Navel gazing has it's place - now is the time to consoldiate, unite and ACT.
 
Well my heartiest congratulations to the Taliban. Looks like they have finally found a new home after being chased out of Afghanistan. Good for them.
 
I see soon the Taliban becomming emboldened to drive around freely. Just give it two more years and see how bold the Taliban becomes.

I disagree.

It is more likely that an Iraq type scenario will develop. The local population will realize the miscreants pose a threat to their interests similar to how the Iraqis realized how disadvantageous their alliance with Al-Qaeda was. Currently a large section of people are sympathizers more than supporters and as knowledge of Taliban activities enters the public domain such as the lashing incident sympathies will dampen. In Iraq whereas the US military had decimated and then dissolved the Iraqi Army; the Pakistan Army is intact and much more potent. Denial is just the first step, but public opinion is turning in the right direction I believe. It is unlikely the Taliban will be as strong as you envisage as time passes.
 
I disagree.

It is more likely that an Iraq type scenario will develop. The local population will realize the miscreants pose a threat to their interests similar to how the Iraqis realized how disadvantageous their alliance with Al-Qaeda was. Currently a large section of people are sympathizers more than supporters and as knowledge of Taliban activities enters the public domain such as the lashing incident sympathies will dampen. In Iraq whereas the US military had decimated and then dissolved the Iraqi Army; the Pakistan Army is intact and much more potent. Denial is just the first step, but public opinion is turning in the right direction I believe. It is unlikely the Taliban will be as strong as you envisage as time passes.

I think one of the mistakes people make often is this thinking that what works in Iraq works in Afghanistan.

Iraq was bought off, and deals were struck with Al Sadr that brought about the peace.

I don't see the same thing happening with the Taliban, it's completely different.

As for public opinion, how many people in Swat have a television set? It doesn't matter what you or I think, it's the perception amongst the tribal elders or just about anyone who carries weaponry in a tribe that is important, many of them work on "pidgeon information". Even if the whole world's public opinion was swayed, but not theirs, then it doesn't matter what happens, the ideology will spread.
 
You are mistaken, as you seem to have forgotten that Al Sadr is Shia Cleric and his influence is unlikely to have much effect on the Sunis. It was mainly the Sunnis who constituted the bulk and concentration of the violent insurgency and they were pacified through the Awakening which basically happened because the tribal chieftains and local leaders realized that Al-Qaeda ideology was unacceptable to their way of life and their own long term interests. Societies as a whole accept and reject ideologies and trends, the long term implications of Taliban/Al-Qaeda rule make it unsustainable. This is what the Sunni Iraqis, despite the unwelcome American presence, concluded. This fact can further be attested by the surprising ease with which the Taliban were evicted from Afghanistan in 2001 as well. I doubt the realization that dawned on the locals depended solely on the number of television sets they possessed. The Iraqi Sunni tribes in many ways are not so different from our own. Also it would be wrong to assume that whatever happened in Iraq can never recur anywhere, especially since so many factors are the same.
 
Muse's last post and my reply probably belong more appropriately here

They are related articles on the same event. Not the same, though. Anyway, my thoughts.

Thanks.
 

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