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Mao’s Murders
Michael Ezra, January 5th 2014, 12:20 pm
The most memorable historical book I have read in the last few years is Frank Dikötter’s Mao’s Great Famine: The History of China’s Most Devastating Catastrophe, 1958-62 about the manmade famine responsible for tens of millions of deaths in Communist China. (I reviewed the bookhere). Dikötter has recently had published the prequel: The Tragedy of Liberation: A History of the Chinese Revolution 1945-57. It reads like a horror story but sadly it is true.

What is shocking in the book is how many ingenious ways the Communists found of murdering people. They had a lot of practice doing so because as Dikötter explains, “the first decade of Maoism was one of the worst tyrannies in the history of the twentieth century, sending to an early grave at least 5 million civilians and bringing misery to countless more.” With an obvious allusion to Daniel Goldhagen’s description of the Nazis, Dikötter labelled many of Mao’s communist henchmen as “willing executioners.” Even if the Killing was not carried out with gusto, it went on. For as one party official explained to members: “You must hate even if you feel no hatred, you must kill even if you do not wish to kill.” But Mao deemed that the people enjoyed killing. He stated: “The people say that killing counter-revolutionaries is more joyful than a good downpour.” And there is evidence backing up the “willing executioner” label. Dikötter reports on a twenty year old woman who felt “proud and happy” watching a dozen victims be executed in the wake of a rally she had helped organise.

Mao installed and encouraged a reign of terror and relished in the violence. He declared that they would “sweep all the imperialists, warlords, corrupt officials, local tyrants and evil gentry into their graves.” But it was not necessarily the case that those deemed wealthy or landlords were either. Ordinary farmers were killed. “Some victims were knifed, a few decapitated. Chinese pastors were paraded through the street as ‘running dogs of imperialism’, their hands bound behind their backs and a rope around their necks.” Bombed, starved to death, beaten to death, shot, tortured, buried alive, dismembered, throttled to death, strung up from trees, chopped up, hair pulled out, ears bitten off, urinated on, forced to wear dunces caps, stripped and exposed to the cold in winter, trussed up, hung from beams, buried up to the neck and torched, stabbed to death with bayonets, decapitated, choked to death with wire, stoned, forced to sit on their haunches with a kettle of boiling water on their heads, flogged, hanged, forced to cut out their own tongue, knees broken and sodomised. It is not surprising that the party noted that the suicide rate was “incessant.”

People froze to death hiding from the Communists. It was not enough just to kill those deemed landlords, family members and anyone else they might have thought would seek revenge for the killings were also killed. Indiscriminate beatings were common place. In Pingyi county a local official proclaimed, “from now on we should kill somebody at every one of our meetings.” Elsewhere, merely looking suspicious was sufficient to be thrown in prison. One candid report noted that in west Sichuan, “there are extremely few people sentenced to a term of five or more years, as some comrades feel that if a prisoner is given a long sentence, he might as well be killed to save time.” Nor did they hesitate to “beat one to scare the many.”

Children did not escape. Some even under the age of ten were tortured, crippled or maimed for life with some tortured to death. Other children were given away because “the majority of workers lacked food.”

One foreigner who escaped China wrote in her diary, “Don’t let anyone fool you about Communism.” These are wise words. If there is a lesson for the modern day it is this: when communists of all stripes demonstrate in London against government policy and chant “Hang the Tories from the lampposts,” believe them. That is exactly what they will do if they ever get in power.

Dikötter’s book is a worthy read for anyone interested in history and a must read for anyone interested in Communist history. I await his next book on Mao’s Cultural Revolution.
 
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Old news dont drum it up with your indian beat!
We have all the discussions scattered everywhere on pdf alone
They should start something new such as the total number of deaths under the american + nato military operations overseas or the cumulative deaths due to poverty and mass starvation in india
or the grand pilferage and atrocities committed by the British Empire or the extension of the brutal stories of the japanese during WW2

It is on a wrong section to post this anyway!
 
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Mao’s Great Famine: The History of China’s Most Devastating Catastrophe, 1958-62 about the manmade famine responsible for tens of millions of deaths in Communist China. (I reviewed the bookhere).

How many Chinese population living 1958-1962 mainland of China? 600million(0.6billion) Chinese. If tens of millions of deaths is truth, it means 1/5~1/6 Chinese died almost every Chinese family has 1~2 member(their grandpa/grandma + parents + children) died during that years.

A unreliable data.
 
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Mao was the biggest murderers and still there are terrorist organization in his name doing the same.
 
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Mr Ezra is certainly a school level literature fan. He would also cry when he reads History of US or any history of singled out country. Chinese famine was a result of cold war: Western blockade, Soviet pressure and natural disasters. Mao's mistake played a role as well.

Human cruelty has been best revealed by white Europeans and Altai-originated Huns & Mongols in the history.
 
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Mao did not actively commit murders. He started and promoted not well thought out policies. His intention was not murder but to give his fellow Chinese a better life. That coupled with natural disasters killed many.

If he did murder, so was the Irish potato famine, the great depression, etc.
 
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This sounds like a book written by a squirrel drunken off tabloid fuel and attracts readers who don't even have an elementary understanding of history.

Seriously, Chinese life expectancy jumped from 35 at 1949 to 60 at 1960. That gotta be some really weird "murders" to increase the life expectancy by quarter of a century. And the whole "worst in Chinese history" bit is frankly, bull crap. The famine from 1959 to 1962 is the worst in PRC history, which means 1949 and onward. However, if you take 1949 and counter the 50 years before that, on average, there is a famine of this magnitude EVERY SINGLE FREAKING YEAR. Seriously, famine isn't exactly uncommon occurrences for pre-industrialized nations. For example, there is the 1948 India famine. There is the Russian-Ukraine Famine in the 30s. Heck, there is a famine in US as well during the great depression.

Seriously, how exact did Mao "murder" people? What command did he give? What did he do during the famine? I know marijuana just become legal in a few states, but that doesn't mean you should be writing things when you are high.
 
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Bullshiit!
A survey showed that more than 90% Chinese love and respecte Mao even he had made some mistakes,
We know what a great man he is, You can dislike Mao, but you dont have the right to insult the leader of Chinese people, with fabricated rumors as an accusation
 
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All I can say is real life is not comic strip or novel. It is complicated. It is never simple as black and white, good vs evil.
Don't believe in this sensational propaganda.
 
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People kept bringing ridiculous figures such as 30 million/60 million/100 million dead during Mao's reign. However, these numbers are never backed by any official statistics and most of them were pulled out by oversea "democracy" movements. The truth of the matter is that record keeping from 1950's to 1970's was quite poor, and you can't refute or prove ridiculous numbers either way. The only thing for certain is that Chinese population increased from roughly 400 million to 800 millions by the time of Mao's death.

I dislike Mao, and most of my family hated him. His failures as a leader and his hunger for power were well documented. However, when you need to make up lies to "expose" Mao, you've lost any sensible person's support. Is the truth not powerful enough by itself?
 
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murderers have the intention to kill ,Mao didn't have that intention.He made some terrible mistakes,but that didn't make him a murderer,after all ,He laid a foundation for a united modern China.
 
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People kept bringing ridiculous figures such as 30 million/60 million/100 million dead during Mao's reign. However, these numbers are never backed by any official statistics and most of them were pulled out by oversea "democracy" movements. The truth of the matter is that record keeping from 1950's to 1970's was quite poor, and you can't refute or prove ridiculous numbers either way. The only thing for certain is that Chinese population increased from roughly 400 million to 800 millions by the time of Mao's death.

I dislike Mao, and most of my family hated him. His failures as a leader and his hunger for power were well documented. However, when you need to make up lies to "expose" Mao, you've lost any sensible person's support. Is the truth not powerful enough by itself?
So you are saying that when Yang Jisheng...

Tombstone: The Great Chinese Famine, 1958-1962: Yang Jisheng, Edward Friedman, Stacy Mosher, Jian Guo, Roderick MacFarquhar: 9780374277932: Amazon.com: Books

...Interviewed his fellow Chinese who lived through that time, he was interviewing people who were duped by the 'democracy movement' back then?
 
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