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Maoists will overthrow govt much before 2050 : Kishenji

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Hmm. That doesn's seem to jive with the following:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/world/asia/01maoist.html
BBC NEWS | South Asia | India is 'losing Maoist battle'
India warns of growing Maoist control | openDemocracy
Growing Maoist strength in Orissa Indian Vanguard
Growing Indian Maoist Menace, Train Hostage Drama: Who is Responsible? | Trends Updates

If the area shown by the following map is all "swamps" then I must say India has a LOT of swamps...

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Come on Tech maoists in Kerala??till today no Maoist attack was reported here in Kerala..I think the NY time maps linking all agitations by the poor to Maoism...

Trains held hostage... Banks shut down due to Maoist threats... The map above shows their area of influence bordering Hyderabad and Bangalore... I don't know how you conclude the above.

Tech you have any idea how much km the railway streched in to??so if Maoists held a train in a remote place ,is it showing they influvence are increasing??Then why the heck they ranaway when the heard CRPF is arriving??And there are only rumours that Naxals inflitrate the agitations for Thelugana region..no concrete evidence and no attacks on naxal style is ever made...





Tech its November 2009's news..latest news for you Maoists want talks and they are desperate for cease fire..

The TTP has been dismantled by Pakistan Army action over just a few months. In contrast, the Maoist threat and area of influence continues to grow... but yes, I agree that the Maoists are not receiving sophisticated weapons and foreign financial assistance like the TTP is/was.

By the latest actions of Maoists there is a substantial decrease in the support for them,..remember they burned a village because people refused to join them


Really? These are your Home Sec's views:

"We have a long, bloody war ahead,"

"It's quite likely violence will go up in 2010 or 2011,"

Security operations "have not hit even five percent of their hardcore militants,"

“They (Maoists) are working under a plan. They have capacity to bring many sections of the Indian economy to its knees."

For me maoism cannot be crushed only by force ..only devalopment can put an end to it..Yes its will be long and bloody war but my govt is capable of handling it very well
 
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Read this personal story from Newsweek about Jharkhand:

Here's an excerpt:

"The state's writ runs only within city limits." When the Maoists call a general strike, railways cancel trains, truckers get off the streets and people in many parts of the state stay indoors. Ambastha and a group of fellow journalists were robbed on a highway once by a gang of armed Maoists. He and his friends fled the scene and begged for help at a local police station, he says. The cops refused to open their gate. Ambastha warned me not to leave town after dark.

Fear Reigns in India's Maoist-Run Countryside - Newsweek.com

WTF are you posting May 2009 news??..are you not hearing latest news as Brown guy pointed out??
 
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I think ISI should look at the Maoist option (if it hasn't already) to counter what India has done with TTP.
 
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I think ISI should look at the Maoist option (if it hasn't already) to counter what India has done with TTP.

Ya, the Kashmir Insurgency did not do the trick, maybe they should try the Maoists this time!!
 
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Come on Tech maoists in Kerala??till today no Maoist attack was reported here in Kerala..I think the NY time maps linking all agitations by the poor to Maoism...

:lol:

According to the map, even parts of Haryana, Rajasthan, Uttrakhand and Gujarat have been affected by Maoists. :lol:

Also, Maoist influence in central India is defined strictly according to the boundary of Chhatisgarh... as if the Maoists operate along state lines.

That just shattered the credibility of the map.
 
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Let's assume you are correct and the home minister has indeed pointed to the future of "these rebels"

In that case, you are still in for a decade long fight with over 100,000 troops committed. Do you not think this will create massive problems for the economy, stability and future prospects?

My state wiped them in 2 years flat .They simply are not a law and order problem
 
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I think ISI should look at the Maoist option (if it hasn't already) to counter what India has done with TTP.

:lol:

You can try if you wish --

I Am The Real Desh Bhakt: Interview- Kishanji Indian Vanguard

Maoist group salutes tricolour, policemen killed in Mumbai 26/11

The Maoists are Indians and their fight is based along socio-economic lines.

The TTP primarily come from FATA and their fight is based along political lines.

Anyways, go tell your ISI to try influence the Maoists.
 
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:lol:

According to the map, even parts of Haryana, Rajasthan, Uttrakhand and Gujarat have been affected by Maoists. :lol:

Also, Maoist influence in central India is defined strictly according to the boundary of Chhatisgarh... as if the Maoists operate along state lines.

That just shattered the credibility of the map.

I think all these claims of 45% of land being controlled by Maoists is because these guys are linking all the agitations across India to the Maoism..:hitwall:
 
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Now it is clear you are desperate. Before you speak of statistics, you should look at general history...

For example...

Walter Duranty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Malcolm Muggeridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Gareth Jones Soviet Union Newspaper Articles 1930-33


Starvation and famine are trademarks of the incompetency of communists at economics. The first thing a communist will do for his beliefs is to become a liar.

Then can you explain the demographics of China? after all, other countries losing 10% of their population, and then refusing international food aid, during a famine, do not double in population within 20 years.

compare ethiopia:

1 million died 1984-1985 (this is 1/40th of the population at the time)
population 48 million 1988
Ethiopian Population —
population 77 million 2008

average fertility rate: 5.4 children born/woman

Demographics of Ethiopia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

population has not doubled in 20 years.

china:
# 1960: 648,000,000
# 1970: 820,000,000
# 1975: 924,000,000
# 1980: 984,000,000
# 1990: 1,147,000,000

maximum fertility rate was 5.0 in 1970.

One-child policy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

so please tell me, if china lost 10% of its population and has a lower fertility rate at the time than ethiopia, how can china almost double its population in 25 years (after implementation of 1 child policy as well) when ethiopia which lost 2% of its population with a higher birth rate, fail to double its population in the same timespan?

in addition, china recieved no international food aid during the "famine" that killed apparently 10% of the population and demographics recovered a few years later (compared with the Republic of China where there was almost no population growth but a fertility rate comparable to africa today)? in fact historical data refutes your assumption that communist parties mismanage the economy - the Republic of China, an ardent US supporting government, presided over a much larger famine as evidenced by data and specific cases (Henan Famine 1942).

# 1850: 412,000,000
# 1950: 552,000,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Mainland_China#Population

could it be that the "famine" in china defies all patterns of previous famines in places with similar average fertility rates? but in science we have a rule that says the simplest explaination is correct.

so, is the famine in china unique for not impacting demographics at all even though 10% of the population was killed, no food aid was recieved and the growth in chinese population defies historical data of times of REAL starvation (1850-1950)... or that the famine if it existed, killed much less than the west claimed?
 
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Then can you explain the demographics of China? after all, other countries losing 10% of their population, and then refusing international food aid, during a famine, do not double in population within 20 years.

compare ethiopia:

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so please tell me, if china lost 10% of its population and has a lower fertility rate at the time than ethiopia, how can china almost double its population in 25 years (after implementation of 1 child policy as well) when ethiopia which lost 2% of its population with a higher birth rate, fail to double its population in the same timespan?
Let me guess...You are making this argument based on the assumption that the mother died IMMEDIATELY after the birth of her child?

:rofl:

China experienced an overall decline in mortality rate and to this day, China has one of the higher life expectancy figure in Asia. Look at this at a smaller scale...I have two parents and am the only child. By the time I married and have my own family also with only one child, my parents are still living and probably still in the work force. Their replacement birth rate is unequal, there is only me but two of them. The desire is to have parity, of course, but even if there is a lower birth rate, we are talking about a time span of decades until someone dies. The result is that over that time span, we will have a population increase despite the lower replacement birth rate due to increased longevity. My family unit has too low a birth replacement rate, only me to replace my parents and my child to replace me and my wife, but overall our family count doubled from the time of my birth until the birth of my own child.

Crude Birth Rate
The Crude Birth Rate and Crude Death Rate are both measured by the rate of births or deaths respectively among a population of 1000. The CBR and CDR are determined by taking the total number of births or deaths in a population and dividing both values by a number to obtain the rate per 10000.

For China, the post 'Great Leap Foward' and the 'one child per family' policy population increase cannot deny the existence of families who had more than one child, hid that illegal birth from the government and raised that extra child in secret. By the time he or she is an adult, his or her illegal birth become irrelevant and he or she will be counted into the general population. Your Ethiopia argument failed because Africa's CDR does not offset its CBR the way China's figures has.

For example...

List of countries by death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Look at China's CDR (7.1 per 1K) compared to Ethiopia (11.5 per 1K).

Now we look at the CBR of both countries just for 1970 alone...

UNICEF - China - Statistics
Crude birth rate, 1970 33

UNICEF - Ethiopia - Statistics
Crude birth rate, 1970 47

See the great disparity between the two countries? We can go a little more detailed...

UNdata | record view | Crude death rate (per 1,000 population)
China 1965-1970 Estimate variant 10.9
Ethiopia 1965-1970 Estimate variant 21.8
United States of America 1965-1970 Estimate variant 9.5

That is the CDR for three countries in the same 5-yr time span.

Now we look at the CBR...

UNdata | record view | Crude birth rate (per 1,000 population)
China 1965-1970 Estimate variant 36.9
Ethiopia 1965-1970 Estimate variant 47.7
United States of America 1965-1970 Estimate variant 17.7

As we can see within that 5-yr time span, it is the CBR-CDR ratio that mattered. Ethiopia's and China's birth-to-death ratio was roughly 3:1, higher than America's 2:1.

Now we add in life expectancy...

UNdata | record view | Life expectancy at birth, both sexes combined (years)
China 1965-1970 Estimate variant 59.6
Ethiopia 1965-1970 Estimate variant 42.1
United States of America 1965-1970 Estimate variant 70.4

Mortality rate is independent of the CDR because...

Mortality rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The number of deaths per 1000 people can be higher for developed nations than in less-developed countries, despite life expectancy being higher in developed countries due to standards of health being better. This happens because developed countries typically have a completely different population age distribution, with a much higher proportion of older people, due to both lower recent birth rates and lower mortality rates.

Can be, not must.

From post WW II to 1975, China's life expectancy increased from 35 yrs to 63 yrs...

China 1970-1975 Estimate variant 63.2
Ethiopia 1970-1975 Estimate variant 43.5
United States of America 1970-1975 Estimate variant 71.5

...But Ethiopia's life expectancy remain statistically unchanged as we can see with 1965-1970 and 1970-1975. Not only that, Africa is known for having a continuous history of natural and manmade disasters and when faced with these events, we can have movements by large groups over time as they tried to escape their misfortunes. This would affect Ethiopia's population count, therefore rendered Ethiopia ineffective in your feeble argument to remove the communists' guilt from China's famine.

China's life expectancy pretty much doubled, which lowered the CDR over time, which explain:

- The steady population increase despite the 'one child per family' policy,

...And...

- How the famine's horrific deaths were recoverable.

This make the famine largely irrelevant to your argument and should be examined as a standalone event. The famine was a communist induced tragedy that you cannot tap dance around. Numbers do not lie but people do. And communists, be they Chinese, Russians or <whoever>, are the greatest liars of all to date.
 
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Naxals are free to 'dream' overthrowing of Indian State: Pillai

NEW DELHI: The Centre on Sunday rubbished the claims of a Maoist leader to overthrow the Indian state before 2050 saying they are free to "dream" and asserted that talks can happen only when they abjure violence.

"They can dream. They have the privilege to dream in a democracy. We have made our position absolutely clear. The Home Minister has stated that he would expect CPI (Maoist) to make a categorical statement that they would abjure violence and once that categorical statement is received in ministry of home affairs, we will be prepared to talk," home secretary G K Pillai told reporters here.

Pillai's statement has come after top Naxal leader Koteswar Rao alias Kishenji last night claimed that they could overthrow Indian state much before the year 2050.

"We will overthrow the Indian government much before 2050," Kishenji has said. He claimed the Maoists had their own army with the help of which they would overthrow the Indian state much before 2050.

Pillai during a seminar here on Friday said, "The overthrow of the Indian state is not something they are willing to do tomorrow or the day after. Their strategy, according to a booklet they circulated, is that they are looking for at 2050, some documents say in 2060".

linky - Naxals are free to 'dream' overthrowing of Indian State: Pillai - India - The Times of India
 
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I think ISI should look at the Maoist option (if it hasn't already) to counter what India has done with TTP.

Dude what are you doing in Canada, such a brilliant thinker should be there in ISI head quarter.
 
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