Many Haqqani Commanders Killed in NW OPS - Pak Army

[VCheng]

You're repeating the nonsense pentagon is reporting without back themselves up with evidence, much like they did with Iraq.

Sir, you may call it nonsense, but the people who read it and make the decisions do not. That is what is important.

 

[Mitro]

Pentagon what a joke afghan warlord use them to eliminate their rivals and make them look like fools

 

[Jungibaaz]

The same "methodology" (sourcing exclusively from NDS, Afghan military and Karzai officials with axes to grind with Pakistan) was used in the BBC documentary "Secret Pakistan", with almost no effort to obtain the opposing point of view from Pakistani officials - hardly the definition of objectivity.

The BBC pulled the same crap again recently. Another documentary about Britain's role in Helmand. Yet again, of the 5-10 given to Pakistan role over the 2 hour long 2 part documentary. Not a single Pakistani point of view presented, not one. Just Amrullah Saleh a few British officers, Americans, not a single Pakistani. It naturally follows, that any audience member with any powers of deduction would see Pakistan as the bad guy, and part of the reason they failed. Good documentary, it told some hard truths, but garbage when it came to Pakistan. In fact, in that 'Secret Pakistan: Double Cross' documentary, I was so pissed off at that shoddy excuse for journalism I wrote a letter to one of the guys in charge back when it came out.

But like Oscar said, it's to be expected when you have drug dealers, drug addicts, war lords, sheep and all with a tribal identity and rivalries to comment on Pakistan and provide whatever credible intel they can. Hell, this is from the same Afghan security apparatus, where there was a case a few years ago, an ANA soldier willingly called out false co-ordinates for an airstrike that would have killed a British unit of troops in another sector, because of the accompanying Afghan officer in that sector he had some rivalries with.

 

[A.M.]

I'm still not sold on this. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if the PA really has cut all lies with the Taliban.

 

[Selous]

I'm still not sold on this. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if the PA really has cut all lies with the Taliban.

And why should they cut ties with assets that have deniability ? We need to face the fact that if Pakistan and India ever get into a conflict situation Pakistan will have to fight an asymmetric war to counter India's edge in numbers and technology. And these mountain men are about as good as you can get when it comes to asymmetric warfare. We will eventually need them and don't forget that once all is said and done they are still our people.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

And why should they cut ties with assets that have deniability ? We need to face the fact that if Pakistan and India ever get into a conflict situation Pakistan will have to fight an asymmetric war to counter India's edge in numbers and technology. And these mountain men are about as good as you can get when it comes to asymmetric warfare. We will eventually need them and don't forget that once all is said and done they are still our people.

I strongly disagree - the Pakistani military has no need for "insurgents" in a conventional war with India. The economic damage caused by allowing a chaotic and lawless region to exist far exceeds that amount the Pakistani Army would have to spend to expand its size by another 50,000 soldiers, if you really think additional manpower is needed.

 

[Selous]

I strongly disagree - the Pakistani military has no need for "insurgents" in a conventional war with India. The economic damage caused by allowing a chaotic and lawless region to exist far exceeds that amount the Pakistani Army would have to spend to expand its size by another 50,000 soldiers, if you really think additional manpower is needed.

Sir I am not talking about numbers...I am talking about skills and knowledge of asymmetric warfare. We have a slim chance of winning against India in a normal conventional war...and I believe that the next major war against India will be a war for survival, for both India and Pakistan, perhaps more so for India...a war for water resources. Both countries are going to run out of water soon if the current trend holds. We cannot afford to have an enemy within our borders. COIN warfare has very seldom been successful (in fact the the only example I can think of is Northern Ireland...and that was more a war for hearts and minds that was won by the Brits). The governments of Pakistan have historically not treated the people in the conflict zones very fairly. It's high time we grew up and acted like men. Resolve the conflicts. Spread justice.
And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favour of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favour, brothers. Quran [3:103]

 

[OrionHunter]

“There is no such thing mentioned in the Pentagon report. Pakistan army is not using militants anywhere for so called proxy wars,” said the senior army officer.

In case he's not aware, I would like to remind him of the LeT and JeM militants that are pushed across into Kashmir especially before winter sets in which is a proxy war being waged against India.

If not, what are they being employed for? Social service?

Here's proof...NDTV exclusive: First images of terrorists killed at LoC in Keran, Photo Gallery

Nuff said.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Sir I am not talking about numbers...I am talking about skills and knowledge of asymmetric warfare.

Those "skills and knowledge of asymmetric warfare" were honed by the Tribal's under CIA/ISI/PA tutelage. In the absence of the CIA, it is the Pakistani military that is the primary repository of those "skills and knowledge", which it can transfer to its own units as needed. Pakistan does not need a Tribal insurgent force for the application of "asymmetric warfare skills".

We have a slim chance of winning against India in a normal conventional war...and I believe that the next major war against India will be a war for survival, for both India and Pakistan, perhaps more so for India...a war for water resources.

Pakistan will gain little to no advantage from fielding an undisciplined and rag-tag bunch of Tribal fighters. If the goal is to conduct asymmetric warfare behind enemy lines during a conventional war, then that job is still better tasked to the professional units of the PA/PAF/PN raised and trained for that purpose.

Both countries are going to run out of water soon if the current trend holds. We cannot afford to have an enemy within our borders. COIN warfare has very seldom been successful (in fact the the only example I can think of is Northern Ireland...and that was more a war for hearts and minds that was won by the Brits). The governments of Pakistan have historically not treated the people in the conflict zones very fairly. It's high time we grew up and acted like men. Resolve the conflicts. Spread justice.

The conflict can be solved with the insurgents surrendering, laying down their arms, renouncing violence and accepting the democratic process as outlined in the constitution of Pakistan, barring which they should be hunted down and killed liked the rabid dogs they are.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

In case he's not aware, I would like to remind him of the LeT and JeM militants that are pushed across into Kashmir especially before winter sets in which is a proxy war being waged against India.

A claim that remains an Indian media concoction (without credible evidence to substantiate it) much like the nonsensical claims of "hundreds of terrorists waiting on launching pads" (apparently someone installed rocket boosters up their arses), "Border Action Teams" etc.

If not, what are they being employed for? Social service?

They are not being employed by Pakistani institutions for anything - their mere existence does not inherently mean that they are "employed by the military".

Here's proof...NDTV exclusive: First images of terrorists killed at LoC in Keran, Photo Gallery
Nuff said.

How exactly do pictures of dead people substantiate your claim that "militants are being pushed into Kashmir by the Pakistani Army"? Did the Indian Army hire the sixth sense director who can "see dead people"?

Yep, you said 'nuff' alright, but most of what you said was unsubstantiated nonsense.

 

[Samandri]

ISPR should issue the names of those commanders.

 

[Indian Patriot]

The Pakistanis spent so much time and effort in creating the Taliban to use it as a weapon. Now the weapon has turned against them and Pakistan is the target of the ancient Pashtun vendetta. When you dig a grave for others then chances are you would be the first to fall in it.

 

[CyberForce786]

The Pakistanis spent so much time and effort in creating the Taliban to use it as a weapon. Now the weapon has turned against them and Pakistan is the target of the ancient Pashtun vendetta. When you dig a grave for others then chances are you would be the first to fall in it.

Always twisting history....
If you don't have knowledge let me help you....

Pakistan support Afghan Freedom Fighters against Soviet Union, which has a name of
Islamic Unity of Afghanistan Mujahideen
(Commonly Known as Seven Party Allianz)
Not even a single commander from this allianz is against Pakistan....

The constituents of the Peshavar Seven alliance: Khalis faction (Khalis), Hezbi Islami (Hekmatyar), Jamiat-i-Islami (Rabbani), and Islamic Union for the Liberation of Afghanistan (Sayyaf), and the traditionalists: National Islamic Front for Afghanistan (Gailani), Afghanistan National Liberation Front (Mojaddedi), and Revolutionary Islamic Movement (Mohammadi).

And above list doesn't include Abdullah Umar/Mullah Umar, Baitullah Mehsud, Hakeem Ullah Mehsud, Shahid Ullah Shahid and so on, most of these are/were production of Guantanamo....

So your theory of nonsense that, what we created attack us is totally failed....

 

[imran_punjabi]

The Pakistanis spent so much time and effort in creating the Taliban to use it as a weapon. Now the weapon has turned against them and Pakistan is the target of the ancient Pashtun vendetta. When you dig a grave for others then chances are you would be the first to fall in it.

First of all this is not true this is bullshit! and 2ndly if so, then do you think that india dosn't use proxy groups against Pakistan? I don't know why some dumb indians think that this is one sided game, and infact every country use proxy for their rival even , Afghanistan and India are Providing safe heavens to TTP in Kunar and Nuristan.

 

[SMC]

The Pakistanis spent so much time and effort in creating the Taliban to use it as a weapon. Now the weapon has turned against them and Pakistan is the target of the ancient Pashtun vendetta. When you dig a grave for others then chances are you would be the first to fall in it.

You bharatis must be the biggest simpletons in the history... always oversimplifying things to the extent that the original context is completely lost.