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I have to agree.That's the one thing I don't understand is to why do they use Air India. Just have a dedicated aircraft for the PM and President that is maintained by the Air Force, rather than relying on Air India. Which is terrible in such case.
Not to mention that they convert the AI plane every time PM and President has to travel abroad. The plane gets refitted and it usually takes time and money. Not to mention that AI also loses money when they have to divert a whole plane from normal duty. They should follow the US in the sense that they have a dedicated aircraft for the President which is only used by him. I am not saying we have to go all out and shell out money into the plane, but have a basic aircraft for the President and PM at least.I have to agree.
Just like for domestic visits PM has dedicated BBJ's under AirForce, so should IAF operate dedicated long range planes.
Its stupid to keep taking an IA plane.
Well considering he has ruffled some feathers across the border, it is more of need of the hour.sophisticated security to the man on top is a status symbol..but for modi, I guess its very much needed!
It's not only the people across the border who must be considered, I think (its most probably a conspiracy or figment of my imagination) but the real danger can be from western countries.Not to mention that they convert the AI plane every time PM and President has to travel abroad. The plane gets refitted and it usually takes time and money. Not to mention that AI also loses money when they have to divert a whole plane from normal duty. They should follow the US in the sense that they have a dedicated aircraft for the President which is only used by him. I am not saying we have to go all out and shell out money into the plane, but have a basic aircraft for the President and PM at least.
Well considering he has ruffled some feathers across the border, it is more of need of the hour.
I disagree here.Not to mention that they convert the AI plane every time PM and President has to travel abroad. The plane gets refitted and it usually takes time and money. Not to mention that AI also loses money when they have to divert a whole plane from normal duty. They should follow the US in the sense that they have a dedicated aircraft for the President which is only used by him. I am not saying we have to go all out and shell out money into the plane, but have a basic aircraft for the President and PM at least.
Well considering he has ruffled some feathers across the border, it is more of need of the hour.
I agree.It's not only the people across the border who must be considered, I think (its most probably a conspiracy or figment of my imagination) but the real danger can be from western countries.
such terms are used by novices .... we are far more mature in terms of politics to believe in such terminologies. Indian PM irrespective of the party he/she belong to needs to be protected.I agree.
Interests of Nations keep changing with time. We would be as big a fools as our western neighbour if we ever buy the 'allies', 'brother country' and 'all weather friends' crap.
PM needs strict protocols of security. I'd also argue that any plane we buy from the west for this purpose would invariably have a number of bugs installed by 'friends'.
I disagree here.
I think the PM and his Cabinet need to be protected regardless of the cost. God knows we have wasted a lot of money in a lot of places though.
And if for that purpose, dedicated new planes have to be ordered, then they must. As the nation grows stronger, so would the PM ruffle feathers in a lot of countries. There is a need to protect him/her. And our current PM is probably the biggest target India has ever had with massive PR victory awaiting any pig who may succeed in their venture.
So money should not really be the going concern here.
I agree.
Interests of Nations keep changing with time. We would be as big a fools as our western neighbour if we ever buy the 'allies' and 'all weather friends' crap.
PM needs strict protocols of security. I'd also argue that any plane we buy from the west for this purpose would invariably have a number of bugs installed by 'friends'.
The Scorpios that Modi already travels in are armoured but that's irrelevant, the level of armouring that can be done to the Scorpios is still INCREDIBLY inferior to the BMW 7 Series Security's armour. BMW's Security line is known globally for its quality. Even with armouring the Scopios would go for maybe $30,000 the BMW 760 Li Security will come to around $200,000- you get what you pay for.And if he sticks to Scorpio, the SPG may have to order armoured Scorpios.
Agreed, in that case let the SPG do their job and put him in the BMW.Honestly, I don't mind anything as long as he is safe.
Well neither do China, Russia, Brazil, Germany, Japan etc etc point taken but it's a bit unrealistic at this stage to expect India to have a 747 alternative.Thanks to the pathetic performance of Indian aerospace sector, we don't have a domestic alternative to the 747s.
The planes you refer to are the BBJs (Boeing Business Jet) based on the 737:IAF already has a dedicated Air Force One jet for the PM, The Vice-President and the President of India. It is called as Rajdoot and was inducted in 2009 I presume.
AFAIK the SPG/IAF were evaluating purchasing new wide-bodied airliners to replace the 747s but this has not been done yet. None of the 787s were meant for this role as far as I am aware.Oh please, he will use these foreign vehicles, because they are the best wrt protection and performance for high value targets. This has nothing to do with national pride or party politics, but simply with the fact that a nation has to protect it's head and also VIPs of foreign countries that visits India.
We have ordered Boeing Dreamliners for the VIP role, but Air Indias financial problems are a curse imo. They are already leasing some of their Dreamliners, although not the VIP once, but it still will cause issues, they might be better of, if diverted directly under IAF.
Only head of state that uses Jaguars is the UK PM and that is due to tradition more than anything else. As far as head of state cars go the Germans- Mercades and BMW- dominate and it makes perfect sense for the SPG to have selected the 7 Series for the PM.Why not Jaguars? owned by Tata who also have Range Rovers would be very nice indeed! I like the 7 series though and these look like the new shapes!
Agreed. It would be far cheaper in the long run and safer as well. Right now every time the PM/Pres needs to go abroad an Air India 747 is taken out of circulation, spends up to a week being reconfigured and the same on the return to Air India it causes interruption to Air India's fleet management schedules not to mention if it was a wholly owned IAF a/c they would have custody of the bird 24/7 and would know everything the planes did down to the second. The current system of chartering AI planes is just not efficient.That's the one thing I don't understand is to why do they use Air India. Just have a dedicated aircraft for the PM and President that is maintained by the Air Force, rather than relying on Air India. Which is terrible in such case.
I'm sorry but utter utter nonsense bro. The Germans are world leaders in this field, if you start compromising on the PM's security just for some pathetic PR stunt then you deserve to see him dead. Luckily the SPG is smarter than this. The number of Heads of states using German vehicles as their official cars must be 80-90%.I think he must use Indian made cars. Indian made cars can be modified to be as safe as these BMWs. If the head of state can't use nation's cars then this is a matter of shame in my view.
I disagree here.
I think the PM and his Cabinet need to be protected regardless of the cost. God knows we have wasted a lot of money in a lot of places though.
And if for that purpose, dedicated new planes have to be ordered, then they must. As the nation grows stronger, so would the PM ruffle feathers in a lot of countries. There is a need to protect him/her. And our current PM is probably the biggest target India has ever had with massive PR victory awaiting any pig who may succeed in their venture.
So money should not really be the going concern here.
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It's not only the people across the border who must be considered, I think (its most probably a conspiracy or figment of my imagination) but the real danger can be from western countries.
I agree.
Interests of Nations keep changing with time. We would be as big a fools as our western neighbour if we ever buy the 'allies', 'brother country' and 'all weather friends' crap.
PM needs strict protocols of security. I'd also argue that any plane we buy from the west for this purpose would invariably have a number of bugs installed by 'friends'.
Modi is by far the most under threat PM in India's history:Well considering he has ruffled some feathers across the border, it is more of need of the hour.
This is not nonsense!!!I'm sorry but utter utter nonsense bro. The Germans are world leaders in this field, if you start compromising on the PM's security just for some pathetic PR stunt then you deserve to see him dead. Luckily the SPG is smarter than this. The number of Heads of states using German vehicles as their official cars must be 80-90%.
jlr is not really Indian, its made in uk.This is not nonsense!!!
If the British Prime Minister can use a Jaguar Land Rover vehicle for security, I am sure it would Indian security standards. JLR is Indian. I agree using a Scorpio or some other Indian made SUV is prolly not a good idea.
But the end of the day, cars can be modified. An Indian made SUV can be just as safe as the BMWs after massive modifications in materials and design. But yes that might end up being far more expensive.
Many parts of Mahindra and Tata cars, almost 30-40% are imported from Japan, Germany, Korea and China. We still refer to them as Indian cars. JLR is Indian owned, that's all that matters.jlr is not really Indian, its made in uk.
scorpio and amby are Indian.. may be pm should stick to amby..![]()
Just because JLR is owned by an Indian company does NOT mean the products it has are a result of indian know-how, largely they are down to British and German engineering. I'm sorry but Indian products largely are inferior to those in the West due to the desire to keep costs down and the lack of the sort of stringent safety standards in the West. The Scorpio gets, what, 1-2 stars from EURO NCAP? The STANDARD BMW 7 Series gets 5 stars.This is not nonsense!!!
If the British Prime Minister can use a Jaguar Land Rover vehicle for security, I am sure it would Indian security standards. JLR is Indian. I agree using a Scorpio or some other Indian made SUV is prolly not a
Irrelevant- the ONLY head of state/PM using JLR vehicles as his official vehicle is the PM of the UK for image purposes (Jaguar is still seen as a British brand). The question arises, why is he the only one? Simply the German products are MUCH better. The UK PM faces significantly less threats to his safety than an Indian PM and Modi at that (who's threat perception is now on another level).Many parts of Mahindra and Tata cars, almost 30-40% are imported from Japan, Germany, Korea and China. We still refer to them as Indian cars. JLR is Indian owned, that's all that matters.
PS, JLR is slowly being indigenised.