Mandela called Jinnah his hero

[Signalian]

the Messenger of ALLAH

Every road of purity leads to him (saw).

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

LOL It was British empire who created Pakistan. Jinnah was just their mouth piece.
And btw, Jinnah is a product of Fabian society and was introduced into politics by Freemasons.

And at the moment USA is still world super power and India is in world's top 5 economy. Where as "Jinnah ka Pakistan" only life line is in CPEC.

It was British Empire who created as follows.
1. USA
2. Canada
3. Caribbean Islands
4. INDIA
5. WHOLE MIDDLE EAST
6. Australia
7. Indo China
If we go by your theory nearly half of the world was created by British. But guess what thats the narrative of those bastards of British who still live in these countries. On the other hand many in above mentioned countries fought for their independence from American continent to Subcontinent and far east. These people gave blood and sweat and tears for independence and now some bastard of British empire is going to lecture and teach different
Now are you that bastard of British empire?
You calling British your daddy and British won't own you what would you call that situation? Because your theory is not accepted by British itself.

 

[Vikki]

So what event led Iqbal to change his mind that Muslims need a separate state when his whole life was in favor of one "Hindustan" that he so much loved? Were muslims were not being persecuted and mistreated when he was in "Hindustan"? Someone as knowledgeable as him should know from beginning that Muslim MUST have their OWN land with their own system. But instead 90% of his life he was in favor of either British or Hindustan.
Also its a little known fact among most of delusional Pakistanis that Iqbal was a Qadiyani. Even if he was at one point and later converted to Islam, what transformation can we notice in him? Did he even perform Hajj, or Ummrah or did he even go to mosque? Most of converts are so influenced by the religion that they pray 5 times a day, become very religious, and become a total different person that even their friends and family dont recognize them.
Thats why when Pakistani muslims accuse Qadiyanis of their leader being a British agent then they have even a better argument that it was Qadiyanis who initiated pro Pakistan movement and Jinniah had closer ties with British empire then Mirza. LOL

Now watch this. According to Ahmadis Iqbal was a Qadiyani until 1931 and according to non-Ahmadi Muslim researchers he was a Ahmadi until 1908.
Even Dr. Israr and Iqbal's son believe that Iqbal was inspired by Mirza Ghulam Ahamd.

Take Malcolm x for example. He was a follower of Nation of Islam which is not really Islam but later during his life he converted to Islam. He took a bullet because he exposed Nation of Islam and we also know he became a Muslim and he even performed Hajj. All these attribute to be a Muslim is absent in Iqbal.
Thats why I believe that Iqbal was indeed a Ahamdi but had to declare himself non-Ahmadi simply to appease non Ahmadi or else he would lose all credibility and following so he had to throw some words against Ahmadis that had no impact. Not only that, but he also belonged to group of so called "Muslims" including Mirza who were recruited by British empire to serve their interest.

Am I against creation of Pakistan? Not really....
By creating Pakistan, British empire actually did India a huge favor other wise India would have been in constant struggle with current major internal problems times 100 and it would be just massive land with two group of religion fighting each other.
I am not suggesting One Hindustan but a Pakistan 2.0 and defuse ticking time bombs that British empire left. First it was a wonderful gift inform of East Pakistan that made no sense to be included with Pakistan that was not only 1000 miles away but also with India smack in the middle . its like designing your house with bedroom in one town and bathroom in another, then kashmir because of which Pakistan may soon end up in stone age while India is in world top 5 economy (yah they dont have enough toilet is what will keep pakistanis in denial of its failure, and another gift would soon be in form of provinces war and then it will be and then you can read wonderful poems written by "SIR" Alama Iqbal and wipe your butt with it.

Didnt know Iqbal was a qadiyani...that is new for me...even more surprising from your post is he never went to mosque or performed hajj.
I know Jinnah was a non practtising shiite muslim though.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

It was British Empire who created as follows.
1. USA
2. Canada
3. Caribbean Islands
4. INDIA
5. WHOLE MIDDLE EAST
6. Australia
7. Indo China
If we go by your theory nearly half of the world was created by British. But guess what thats the narrative of those bastards of British who still live in these countries. On the other hand many in above mentioned countries fought for their independence from American continent to Subcontinent and far east. These people gave blood and sweat and tears for independence and now some bastard of British empire is going to lecture and teach different
Now are you that bastard of British empire?
You calling British your daddy and British won't own you what would you call that situation? Because your theory is not accepted by British itself.

Ever heard of American Revolutionary War? The Americans kicked the Britishers out of their nation where as it was Pakistani founding fathers who encourage locals to fight wars for the British "MASTER". oooo the irony lol.
It was though during later years that US became an ally with Britain.
BTW you need to go and read a thing or two about how much your founding fathers Jinnah, Iqbal, Sir syed, aga khan praised Britishers, so call them the B of British empire.

Canada, Australia were founded by goras, so of course they are going to have closer ties with British empire.

And yes, every single nation were created by British empire during 19th century.

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

Ever heard of American Revolutionary War? The Americans kicked the Britishers out of their nation where as it was Pakistani founding fathers who encourage locals to fight wars for the British "MASTER". oooo the irony lol.
It was though during later years that US became an ally with Britain.
BTW you need to go and read a thing or two about how much your founding fathers Jinnah, Iqbal, Sir syed, aga khan praised Britishers, so call them the B of British empire.

Canada, Australia were founded by goras, so of course they are going to have closer ties with British empire.

And yes, every single nation were created by British empire during 19th century.

Lol now all of sudden you remember all history of revolutionary war. What was war of 1857 in India against Bristish? Ever heard of that? I guess you are descent from those who called British their Masters therefore you forgot that part of subcontinental history. As I stated earlier you are part of that left over bastard network by British.
I used the word Bastard for a purpose if you get my drift.
A slave whenever freed is a free man and wouldn't go look for another master.
A bastard on the other hand can never get over the fact and always looking for a daddy and always hostage to that mentality of that moment.
We muslims ruled subcontinent before British came they stayed there for 200 years and kicked out. Now that 200 years of British rule left many Bastards all over the sub continent which are still living on that memory of short love affair between their mommy and someone who was over for short period of time.
You talk shit about Pakistan be prepared to get every thing that you own disrespected and cursed out.

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

BTW you need to go and read a thing or two about how much your founding fathers Jinnah, Iqbal, Sir syed, aga khan praised Britishers, so call them the B of British empire.

Praising someone makes someone someone's slave? Really is that your great formula to tackle history?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Lol now all of sudden you remember all history of revolutionary war. What was war of 1857 in India against Bristish? Ever heard of that? I guess you are descent from those who called British their Masters therefore you forgot that part of subcontinental history. As I stated earlier you are part of that left over bastard network by British.
I used the word Bastard for a purpose if you get my drift.
A slave whenever freed is a free man and wouldn't go look for another master.
A bastard on the other hand can never get over the fact and always looking for a daddy and always hostage to that mentality of that moment.
We muslims ruled subcontinent before British came they stayed there for 200 years and kicked out. Now that 200 years of British rule left many Bastards all over the sub continent which are still living on that memory of short love affair between their mommy and someone who was over for short period of time.
You talk shit about Pakistan be prepared to get every thing that you own disrespected and cursed out.

LOL I understand your frustration but you have completely portrayed your founding fathers.
War of independence 1857 were fought by Muslims Hindus and Sikhs against British rule and that was the only time when people of the sub-continent fought British "Masters". Pakistan had NOTHING to do with this as concept of Pakistan came almost 80 years after this movement.
It was people like "SIR" Syed Ahmad Ali khan, Aga Kha, Iqbal, Jinnah etc who praised the British empire most of their life and in fact encouraged local Muslims to obey the British masters and fight wars for the master. No one started talking about a separate nation for Muslims until the British Masters approved the plan.

Praising someone makes someone someone's slave? Really is that your great formula to tackle history?

I did not call them slave, I call them British empire stooges. A slave is forced to work, a stooge works for their master's interest.

 

[Silverblaze]

LOL It was British empire who created Pakistan. Jinnah was just their mouth piece.
And btw, Jinnah is a product of Fabian society and was introduced into politics by Freemasons.

And at the moment USA is still world super power and India is in world's top 5 economy. Where as "Jinnah ka Pakistan" only life line is in CPEC.

The british were keen to transfer power to congress as they had already included them in the interim govt in 1946 without any single AIML member. They wanted a single govt to inherit them and become a part of the common wealth. Even UK PM attlee admitted in parliament on the eve of partition, that they had tried very hard to keep India 'united'.

Mountbatten openly criticized and resisted Jinnah's(R.A) Pakistan 'scheme'. In his interviews he clearly mentions how he would have postponed Pakistan's creation had he known Jinnah's (R.A) health condition. Mountbatten and many british were not convinced of the 'soundness' of Pakistan. He repeatedly mentions that Pakistan should not have been born and is destined to fail.

In the late 1930s the congress party had 3% of muslim representation where the population of muslims was over 30%. Congress made no efforts to include muslims and consisted of many openly anti muslim hindu nationalists and never tried to sideline them. It was a hindu club.

Muslim league was nowhere, it was this hindutva ideology that alienated many including Jinnah (R.A). Jinnah (R.A) actually used to criticize the muslim league for spreading sectarianism and doing politics on religion. But congress's attitude convinced him to leave.


These are all facts.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

The british were keen to transfer power to congress as they had already included them in the interim govt in 1946 without any single AIML member. They wanted a single govt to inherit them and become a part of the common wealth. Even UK PM attlee admitted in parliament on the eve of partition, that they had tried very hard to keep India 'united'.

Mountbatten openly criticized and resisted Jinnah's(R.A) Pakistan 'scheme'. In his interviews he clearly mentions how he would have postponed Pakistan's creation had he known Jinnah's (R.A) health condition. Mountbatten and many british were not convinced of the 'soundness' of Pakistan. He repeatedly mentions that Pakistan should not have been born and is destined to fail.

In the late 1930s the congress party had 3% of muslim representation where the population of muslims was over 30%. Congress made no efforts to include muslims and consisted of many openly anti muslim hindu nationalists and never tried to sideline them. It was a hindu club.

Muslim league was nowhere, it was this hindutva ideology that alienated many including Jinnah (R.A). Jinnah (R.A) actually used to criticize the muslim league for spreading sectarianism and doing politics on religion. But congress's attitude convinced him to leave.


These are all facts.

Typical Pakistani distorted propaganda history.
To begin with AIML was a British empire tool that was a breeding ground for British empire loyalists and Muslim freemasons. So no thank you, British empire did not just make their decisions based on conversations of few people lol. These stories are just to make fool out of delusional people who live in fools paradise.

Read this 10 times, meditate, ask new questions to yourself, and then I will educate you bit more about your founding fathers freemasonry links.

So how did Britishers achieve this???? see below...

Nonetheless, multiracial lodges in India gradually became morecommon, as at least a fifth of all the lodges operating in India during the 1870s included an indigenous element.
Masonry began to serve as a meeting ground between colonisers and colonised, and through its teachings it was thought that racial tensions could be calmed.
The British only made the brotherhood accessible to Indians because they thought it would help strengthen the empire.
This idea culminated in 1877, when the Prince of Whales (English GrandMaster) visited Bombay to lay the foundation stone of the Elphinstone docks. The Masonicceremony included English, Parsi, Muslim and Hindu Masons, and the Prince officially congratulatedhis fellow Masons on the flourishing conditions of the Craft in India.
By the end of the nineteenthcentury, Masonry in India was facilitating European and Indian public interactions, and according toMasons in London, this aided in making Indians loyal subjects to Queen Victoria.
Thus Masonry was central to the expansion and maintenance of the British Empire,especially after 1857, when mechanisms to control indigenous populations were needed more than ever by the British state.

 

[Vikki]

Typical Pakistani distorted propaganda history.
To begin with AIML was a British empire tool that was a breeding ground for British empire loyalists and Muslim freemasons. So no thank you, British empire did not just based their decisions based on conversations of few people lol. These stories are just to make fool out of delusional people who live to live in fools paradise.

Read this 10 times, meditate, ask new questions to yourself, and then I will educate you bit more about your founding fathers freemasonry links.

So how did Britishers achieve this???? see below...

Brother the letter or speech or whatever you posted of macaulay is fake.

The Infamous Macaulay Speech That Never Was

A quotation supposedly culled from a speech by Thomas Babington Macaulay is a staple of social media forwards and has even been quoted by senior Indian politicians. But is it authentic?

m.thewire.in

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Brother the letter or speech or whatever you posted of macaulay is fake.

The Infamous Macaulay Speech That Never Was

A quotation supposedly culled from a speech by Thomas Babington Macaulay is a staple of social media forwards and has even been quoted by senior Indian politicians. But is it authentic?

m.thewire.in

ok deleted.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

@Silverblaze

do you know what fabian society is?

Before the Fabians, communism was a pastime of wild-eyed labor activists promising bloody revolution. The Society helped introduce the idea of incremental democratic socialism – not just in the sense of Bernie Sanders, but in the sense of the entire modern welfare state. In the process, they pretty much invented the demographic of champagne-sipping socialist intellectuals. Famous Society members included George Bernard Shaw, Muhammed Ali Jinnah, Jawaharlal Nehru, and Tony Blair; Fabian ideas were imported wholesale into the economic policies guiding newly-independent India, Nigeria, Egypt, Syria, among others.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

@Silverblaze

do you know what fabian society is?

Before the Fabians, communism was a pastime of wild-eyed labor activists promising bloody revolution. The Society helped introduce the idea of incremental democratic socialism – not just in the sense of Bernie Sanders, but in the sense of the entire modern welfare state. In the process, they pretty much invented the demographic of champagne-sipping socialist intellectuals. Famous Society members included George Bernard Shaw, Muhammed Ali Jinnah, Jawaharlal Nehru, and Tony Blair; Fabian ideas were imported wholesale into the economic policies guiding newly-independent India, Nigeria, Egypt, Syria, among others.

I will answer each and every point of yours tomorrow in sha Allah with the proper understanding of history.

Wait for it.

 

[Psychic]

Aww the crackpot theories of mythbuster.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Iqbal is the guy who was Knighted by the Queen and never uttered a word against British rule

Read these two poems, they portray his feelings about British occupation quite well.

(Bang-e-Dra-034) Tasveer-e-Dard (تصÙÛر درد) The Portrait Of Anguish

allama iqbal poetry, allama iqbal urdu english poetry, poem, shikwa, iblees, jawab shikwa, allama iqbal persian farsi poetry, shayari, allama iqbal shayari, stanza, couplet, shair, shaheen, islam, pakistan, rumi

iqbalurdu.blogspot.com

(Zarb-e-Kaleem-182) Ghulamon Ki Namaz

Read Complete Urdu & Persian Poetry of Allama Iqbal with Roman Urdu, English Translations & Urdu Explanations. Ashaar Ka Tarjuma aur Tashreeh

iqbalurdu.blogspot.com

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...Two years after the publication of the Secrets of the Self (1924 an English translation of Asrar-i Khudi by Reynold A. Nicholson of Cambridge University, the British Government, recognising his scholarship and poetic talent, knighted Iqbal.


Iqbal did not seek this honour and it came to him unsolicited. In this he was an exception because his other contemporaries, Mian Fazl-i Hussain, Sikandar Hayat Khan and Shaikh Abdul Qadir, had earned their Knighthood by sterling service to the colonial power.


Fazl-i Hussain’s and Sikandar Hayat’s entire career was spent in the service of the British rule. The apathy which existed between Iqbal and these two gentlemen was mainly attributable to this cause.


The hostility between Iqbal and the British rulers is well port-rayed by Azim Hussain, Fazl-i Husain’s son.


On the authority of his father’s diaries, Azim Hussain tells us:


"In 1924 Fazl-i-Hussain urged Sir Malcolm Hailey to raise Iqbal to the Bench, but while the case was under consideration Dr. Iqbal alienated the sympathies of officials by unrestrained criticism of the Government. . . . On his [Iqbal’s] return to India (from the Round Table Conference), he severely criticized the work of the Muslim Delegation, a criticism greatly resented by the Secretary of State because it belittled the proceedings of the Conference."


The Viceroy was also appropriately angry and only reluctantly agreed to send Iqbal to the Round Table Conference. "While the Conference was in progress," writes Azim Hussain, "he [Iqbal] re-signed and returned to India, and denounced the British Government in the strongest possible terms in his address to the Muslim League at Allahbad."[7] Not surprisingly, therefore, the Viceroy refused to appoint Iqbal as member of the Public Service Commission or as Agent of India to South Africa.[8]

It is inconceivable that Iqbal could ever have come to terms with British rulers. He regarded slavery as the greatest misfortune that could befall a man, while a free man in his eyes was a "living miracle in himself".[9]

IQBAL’S RELATION WITH THE BRITISH IMPERIAL POWER

He is a perfect example of what mirza ghulam ahmad was to British empire. They used "freedom of expression" as a tool to give local illusion that these leaders are truly against British rule.

Look above. I have refuted this.

And then Jinnah is the guy who was brought into highlight by Freemasons, and goras who were looking to empower some local individuals that would serve their exit strategy by dividing nations according to their interest.

Conspiracy theory, nothing more.

WAS MUHAMMAD ALI JINNAH A FREEMASON?

There are ongoing speculations nowadays on the Internet, regarding the issue whether the Quaid (Muhammad Ali Jinnah) was a Freemason. And b...

deenalhaqcouncil.blogspot.com

Read this to correct your misconceptions.


Thanks for the share brother. it shows that Quaid e Azam admired Allama Iqbal very much. He was pursuaded by him to come to British South Asia.

"The letters which form the subject of this booklet were written to me by the sage, philosopher and national poet of Islam, the late Dr. Sir Muhammad Iqbal, during the period May 1936 to November1937, a few months before his death. "

foreword written by Muhammad Ali Jinnah on 13 letters by Iqbal to him.

Jinnah was biased towards Iqbal.

He won't accept it, even if he has to declare Jinnah a Biased person.

He will only accept neutral sources sitting outside the borders of this country.

I can bet.

The relationship of Allama Iqbal with Quaid e Azam was like teacher and student, a sheikh and his mureed. Allama Iqbal was mufakkar e Pakistan, while Quaid e Azam carried on the task as a soldier in pursuit of the holy cause.

Jinnah and Ghandi were two sides of the same coin.

Gross exaggeration.

One is a man of esteemed character who never blackmailed or used tricks against his opponents. Quaid e Azam.

The other was a false faqeer who used an image to gain notoriety, bully Muslims into submission, while his personal life was full of scandals. Gandhi.

So what event led Iqbal to change his mind that Muslims need a separate state when his whole life was in favor of one "Hindustan" that he so much loved? Were muslims were not being persecuted and mistreated when he was in "Hindustan"? Someone as knowledgeable as him should know from beginning that Muslim MUST have their OWN land with their own system

Look at the first link which details the struggles he faced in the 1930s in seeking autonomy for states, and faced backlash and vilification for it. He realized that Muslims were not safe unless we were free.

Allama Iqbal's famous Allahabad address. http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/txt_iqbal_1930.html

It cannot be denied that Islam, regarded as an ethical ideal plus a certain kind of polity – by which expression I mean a social structure regulated by a legal system and animated by a specific ethical ideal – has been the chief formative factor in the life-history of the Muslims of India. It has furnished those basic emotions and loyalties which gradually unify scattered individuals and groups, and finally transform them into a well-defined people, possessing a moral consciousness of their own. Indeed it is not an exaggeration to say that India is perhaps the only country in the world where Islam, as a people-building force, has worked at its best. In India, as elsewhere, the structure of Islam as a society is almost entirely due to the working of Islam as a culture inspired by a specific ethical ideal. What I mean to say is that Muslim society, with its remarkable homogeneity and inner unity, has grown to be what it is, under the pressure of the laws and institutions associated with the culture of Islam.

But instead 90% of his life he was in favor of either British or Hindustan.
Also its a little known fact among most of delusional Pakistanis that Iqbal was a Qadiyani. Even if he was at one point and later converted to Islam, what transformation can we notice in him? Did he even perform Hajj, or Ummrah or did he even go to mosque?

False information.

Islamic scholar and thinker Abul Hassan Ali Nadwi wrote about Allama Iqbal: "Muhammad Iqbal, the poet of Islam and the philosopher of the age, lived with passionate love of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and an ardent affection to Madinah, the Prophet’s city. He sang about this in his poems. During his last days, Iqbal was tearful whenever he mentioned the holy city. He did not have the physical capability to go to Makkah and Madinah to perform Haj and visit the Prophet’s (pbuh) grave due to an age-related ailment. However, he decided to perform Haj, defying the advice of doctors and friends. But his determination was very strong and this enabled him to perform Haj and visit the Prophet’s grave."

Most of converts are so influenced by the religion that they pray 5 times a day, become very religious, and become a total different person that even their friends and family dont recognize them.
Thats why when Pakistani muslims accuse Qadiyanis of their leader being a British agent then they have even a better argument that it was Qadiyanis who initiated pro Pakistan movement and Jinniah had closer ties with British empire then Mirza. LOL

Neither was Ahmadiyya,

Now watch this. According to Ahmadis Iqbal was a Qadiyani until 1931 and according to non-Ahmadi Muslim researchers he was a Ahmadi until 1908.
Even Dr. Israr and Iqbal's son believe that Iqbal was inspired by Mirza Ghulam Ahamd.

You can read the conclusion of his soul-searching, or listen to it from the sources you quoted. He realized early on that the Ahmadiyyas were misguided, and had nothing to do with them.

If you read fake Ahmadiyya sources, they will always create lies to further their religion, nothing new.

Take Malcolm x for example. He was a follower of Nation of Islam which is not really Islam but later during his life he converted to Islam. He took a bullet because he exposed Nation of Islam and we also know he became a Muslim and he even performed Hajj. All these attribute to be a Muslim is absent in Iqbal.

Allama Iqbal cleansed the hearts of Muslims and gave us a purpose. If you read his workds with faith in your heart and a willingness to learn, many u can experience that as well.

He worked until the end of his life to rid the Muslims of the apathy, hopelessness, and pessimism that they had become accustomed to, as a result of British subjugation.

Thats why I believe that Iqbal was indeed a Ahamdi but had to declare himself non-Ahmadi simply to appease non Ahmadi or else he would lose all credibility and following so he had to throw some words against Ahmadis that had no impact. Not only that, but he also belonged to group of so called "Muslims" including Mirza who were recruited by British empire to serve their interest.

Conspiracy theory, nothing more. Who are you to make this claim?

Read his 1930 Allahabad address and his hostile tone afterwards towards the British for siding with the Hindus against Muslim interests.

First it was a wonderful gift inform of East Pakistan that made no sense to be included with Pakistan that was not only 1000 miles away but also with India smack in the middle . its like designing your house with bedroom in one town and bathroom in another, then kashmir because of which Pakistan may soon end up in stone age while India is in world top 5 economy (yah they dont have enough toilet is what will keep pakistanis in denial of its failure, and another gift would soon be in form of provinces war and then it will be and then you can read wonderful poems written by "SIR" Alama Iqbal and wipe your butt with it.

Ch. Rehmat Ali was opposed to that. It was added at the insistence of the Bengali MB leaders. It was a mistake, we know that now.

As for Kashmir, we were deceived by the British and Hindus. It was deliberately being delayed to give India a chance to take it over. Their plans only partially succeeded.

Please do not be abusive to our Walis like Allama Iqbal and Quaid e Azam, RahmatAllahu alayhuma.

Whenever Jinnah (R.A) is admired by people a certain section from the religious right and ethnic parties try to diminish his stature.

Jinnah (R.A) was and is our founder get over it.

Ameen. Certain groups want to portray him negatively. Look at Hoodbhoys statements against him. Liberals are not innocent either, and may be the worse culprits.

I cant reply every post with detail reply but I do want to mentioned to you that it was mostly Hindus and Sikhs that fought war for British then Muslims... So to say that Jinnah asked Indian Muslims to fight for Britishers and in return they got a deal for a independent state is a joke.

This is false. Do you remember Muslims who were send to places like Turkey, Burma, and WW2? You can create another thread to learn more. I would be interested to learn more about this.

I did my research outside the propaganda that was passed on to us by British empire. What I found out that what ever they wanted to accomplish they achieved it by empowering local so called muslims and turned them into leaders.
This is a perfect strategy that no other empires used for their favor.

In what interest was it for them to create Pakistan? They feared a new Muslim state forming, but Quaid e Azam kept up the demand, with backing of the majority of the Muslims after ML won 1945 elections in Muslim regions.

The election that created Pakistan

The Muslim League’s victory in 1946 owed as much to local discontent and loyalties as it did to widespread support for

www.dawn.com

Lol did they even struggle? Did Jinnah not lived 90% of his life as an English gentlemen? Was he not a British empire mouth piece?

Look above.

These are not strange theories, its just called thinking outside the box.

They are fringe and dangerous. They support enemy propaganda.

Which part of his life should I embrace? The one until he remained as a Qadiyani? Or where he praised British Empire? Or the one in which he praised Hindustan? Or the agnostic life he lived and never set a foot in a mosque let alone perform Hajj or Ummrah?
His importance should only remain as a poet and should not be associated as a leader or some sort of a religious figure. Even many western non muslim writers have published many books and researches in Islam's favor so should we also declare them Muslims?

Allama Iqbal RA was also a traditional scholar of Islam, who obtained his ijazah in the classical war, through his teacher, another Islamic scholar. He learned Eastern philosophy (Rumi, Hafiz, etc.) and also attained detailed knowledge of Western philosophy.

He was able to give Islam a voice to fight back against other ideologies which sought to supplant Islam.

LOL It was British empire who created Pakistan. Jinnah was just their mouth piece.
And btw, Jinnah is a product of Fabian society and was introduced into politics by Freemasons.

And at the moment USA is still world super power and India is in world's top 5 economy. Where as "Jinnah ka Pakistan" only life line is in CPEC.

Conspiracy theories again. I answered that point above.

Your toxic pessimism is really a black hole which does not help us in anyway in resolving our problems.

People like you only abuse and belittle those who have helped us in the past and those who wish to help us move forward.

Bargained by Jinnah? Yai koi

khana hai jis ki "bargaining" ho? lol
To be honest, Pakistan is a product of British experiment gone bad (on purpose)... they actually did that with many other nations. East Pakistan, Kashmir, provinces, cast system etc are careful planned ticking time B (dont want to say the whole word) by wonderful British empire.

I just hate both India and Pakistan. lol

We can fight Jihad bil qalam. He was called Quaid e Azam for a leader. Quaid actually is a word for an Arab war leader, as opposed to a Sheikh who is a political head.

Pakistan needs to be ironed out, that is all.

Just counter my argument point by point instead of asking me to read or watch some hero worship propaganda.

One source was a sample of Allama Iqbal and his positive philosophy, in his own words.

The other was a scholarly discussion of the nature of Allama Iqbals relationship with Quaid e Azam.

Neither was hero worship, and the video is sourced with facts throughout. If interested in truth, please look.

Ever heard of American Revolutionary War? The Americans kicked the Britishers out of their nation where as it was Pakistani founding fathers who encourage locals to fight wars for the British "MASTER". oooo the irony lol.
It was though during later years that US became an ally with Britain.

We proved our right to exist when we fought the combined Indian and British forces immediately after partition.

BTW you need to go and read a thing or two about how much your founding fathers Jinnah, Iqbal, Sir syed, aga khan praised Britishers, so call them the B of British empire.

Again, unwarranted abuse. They learned what was beneficial from their enemy, to eventually defeat their enemy. This is completely inline with the teachings of Islam. Rasulllah saws said "go as far as China for knowledge."

War of independence 1857 were fought by Muslims Hindus and Sikhs against British rule and that was the only time when people of the sub-continent fought British "Masters". Pakistan had NOTHING to do with this as concept of Pakistan came almost 80 years after this movement.

What happened with Tipu Sultan? What about the small Muslim rulers throughout the subcontinent who fought the British?

It was people like "SIR" Syed Ahmad Ali khan, Aga Kha, Iqbal, Jinnah etc who praised the British empire most of their life and in fact encouraged local Muslims to obey the British masters and fight wars for the master. No one started talking about a separate nation for Muslims until the British Masters approved the plan.

Allama Iqbal pushed it on the British in 1930, and he did not stop demanding it. Neither did his supporters like Quaid e Azam, Maulana Shabbir Usmani, and others.

British had no choice. Why they going to have Muslims declare jihad on them while they were weak? Think about it.

I did not call them slave, I call them British empire stooges. A slave is forced to work, a stooge works for their master's interest.

You are the one who is mentally enslaved. You have accepted enemy propaganda.

The british were keen to transfer power to congress as they had already included them in the interim govt in 1946 without any single AIML member. They wanted a single govt to inherit them and become a part of the common wealth. Even UK PM attlee admitted in parliament on the eve of partition, that they had tried very hard to keep India 'united'.

Mountbatten openly criticized and resisted Jinnah's(R.A) Pakistan 'scheme'. In his interviews he clearly mentions how he would have postponed Pakistan's creation had he known Jinnah's (R.A) health condition. Mountbatten and many british were not convinced of the 'soundness' of Pakistan. He repeatedly mentions that Pakistan should not have been born and is destined to fail.

In the late 1930s the congress party had 3% of muslim representation where the population of muslims was over 30%. Congress made no efforts to include muslims and consisted of many openly anti muslim hindu nationalists and never tried to sideline them. It was a hindu club.

Muslim league was nowhere, it was this hindutva ideology that alienated many including Jinnah (R.A). Jinnah (R.A) actually used to criticize the muslim league for spreading sectarianism and doing politics on religion. But congress's attitude convinced him to leave.


These are all facts.

Thanks for sharing.

Typical Pakistani distorted propaganda history.
To begin with AIML was a British empire tool that was a breeding ground for British empire loyalists and Muslim freemasons. So no thank you, British empire did not just make their decisions based on conversations of few people lol. These stories are just to make fool out of delusional people who live in fools paradise.

Read this 10 times, meditate, ask new questions to yourself, and then I will educate you bit more about your founding fathers freemasonry links.

So how did Britishers achieve this???? see below...

Read my first 2 links. I already answered your points here.

do you know what fabian society is?

Before the Fabians, communism was a pastime of wild-eyed labor activists promising bloody revolution. The Society helped introduce the idea of incremental democratic socialism – not just in the sense of Bernie Sanders, but in the sense of the entire modern welfare state. In the process, they pretty much invented the demographic of champagne-sipping socialist intellectuals. Famous Society members included George Bernard Shaw, Muhammed Ali Jinnah, Jawaharlal Nehru, and Tony Blair; Fabian ideas were imported wholesale into the economic policies guiding newly-independent India, Nigeria, Egypt, Syria, among others.

This was my third link, please check again and educate yourself.