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Pakistan and India were one country till 1947. after India got freedom british, india and pakistan were divided into two countries...
If everybody goes toward history then British also reserves right to demand this part of Land...
This tiny Israel reserves right to Live free and to defend any attack...... Same case for Palestine... but Nobody have right to create militants....

Your militant my freedom fighter- does it make sense?- it should-
Iraqis were called terrorists- insurgents- millitants and what not when they tried to get their dountry back from amrikan imperialism-
About British part- british invaded countries through out their history- where from the palestinians come from?-
They are the people of the land- its the israeli who came to existance after WW2- calling jews from different part of the world- so to increase the numbers and hold the occupation-
 
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Gibberish and only gibberish from Modiphobic Pakistanies.

Really is that all you can say? I am not Modiphobic I am religious nutters dripping with blood phobic. Then yes call me phobic; I am phobic against hate mongers and killers - so I am RSSphobic and TTPhobic - they are both cults of hate.

The only problem is that the TTP is but a few thousand. The RSS is an organisation moulded upon the fascists of Europe, and has millions of hate filled adherents. Not too good for having relations with the West, Israel and USA when your soon to be PM will be card carrying Hitler and Holocaust admirer.
 
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Your militant my freedom fighter- does it make sense?- it should-

Freedom fighter is other thing but firing rockets and killing the civilian on other side are not freedom fighter... they are terrorist....
They are Fasaadis, creating unrest.... freedom fighter does not attack on civilian and , hiding behind the children is not part of freedom fighter...
 
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@ Liquidmetal
See what do you've to say about it now..... ??
And so sorry to say that in ur reply u mentioned very few muslims support violence but actually its totally opposite to that man.

Sarjen, I know why you feel this. However this is the reply of 1 person and believe me that most, if not all condemn the violence that the groups like TTP and the various factions in the Mid-East. We do not want anything to do with these people.

What happened in Kenya was a disgrace, this is not Islam but some other religion, those people are not Muslim. The same can be said of the TTP - for example justifying the attacks on the Churches - that was nothing but a crime.

What I am trying to do is get to a point where we the Muslims can admit our mistakes of the past and stop repeating them ad nauseum, to look at different map, rather than the one that has failed to resolve our differences between us.

It is hardly possible for any force to be created that can challenge Israel. There is no need to, maybe we need to challenge them to peace, to sit on or hands and quietly ask for rights, maybe if we took inspiration from Mandela etc we may win a home for the beleagured Palestinians and once you start anything is possible. Ask the Egyptians.
 
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Pakistan and India were one country till 1947. after India got freedom british, india and pakistan were divided into two countries...
If everybody goes toward history then British also reserves right to demand this part of Land...
This tiny Israel reserves right to Live free and to defend any attack...... Same case for Palestine... but Nobody have right to create militants....
For sec I thought you were smart, after reading this I realized your just a smartass. You don't know history. You don.t know what your talking bout. Your just trying to be politically correct.
 
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Both nations have nothing to gain from each other. So its pretty useless an exercise. Getting the Iranians to make peacewith them would affect them more as Iran actually has reach in the region.
 
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I know where your sentiments come from but it is almost 50 years since Jerusalem was taken by the Israelis and they are a stakeholder in that city just as all of us people of the book are. We need to take inspiration from the Jews, look at how much they endured and yet still came back.

The reality is this, if we continue down the road of being at loggerheads, the right wing nuts are the real winners and we have not done justice to the Palestinians. The reality is this that Arafat himself had formed relations with Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey etc have diplomatic relations thus it makes no sense to have the current status quo.

If we want a settlement, then we, the Muslims will have to walk down the hard road of peace offer the Israelis something they cannot refuse - peace, secure borders, trade, Hamas to lay down arms and become partners in this betiful land. Much for all side - win win and the alternative is further losses for the ummah.
Mr no peace with Israel and those traitors who will make peace they would become history only way of peace is Palestinian state with capital as jersulam until than war will continue Mr and traitors along with their kafir supporters will be wiped out
 
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Well isn't Pakistan betraying Islam and their muslims by thinking of peace with Israel. all muslims counteries are self declared representative / protector of islam and wage war to other religion from their territory.

So what make PAK change its tune with Israel ? hard reality.
 
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Well isn't Pakistan betraying Islam and their muslims by thinking of peace with Israel. all muslims counteries are self declared representative / protector of islam and wage war to other religion from their territory.

So what make PAK change its tune with Israel ? hard reality.

Making peace with Israel does not go against any aspect of Islam, in fact Islam wants peace and respect for all people, regardless of faith.

The reality is that the Palestinians themselves have diplomatic relations with Israel, so does Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, Lebanon. Also the GCC arabs have indirect relations with Israel and Saudi Arabia is in harmony with Israel - both have similar interests - syria, Iran, Hezbollah and hence may have been cooperating under the radar. SA wants the US to stop the Iranian bomb as much Israel and so on.

Thus the reality that there is absolutely no reason to rethink Israel-Palestine problem and come up with a workable and acceptable two nations. The status of Jerusalem will need to be discussed and some arrangement made. An arrangement that works for all three stakeholders of this city.

If we do not work towards peace, then watch as whatever land has been left for the Palestinians also being gobbled up by the right wing Israelis who will continously point to their security and morally shut the mouth of the world powers.

We need to reclaim the moral ground and show we are a mature bunch willing to seek and implement peaceful solutions.
 
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Well isn't Pakistan betraying Islam and their muslims by thinking of peace with Israel. all muslims counteries are self declared representative / protector of islam and wage war to other religion from their territory.

So what make PAK change its tune with Israel ? hard reality.

Who the hell wants peace Israel, we hate jews any fair opinion poll would show 90 percent plus of pakistanis want israel burned into the ground

A post on a forum from the few percent that doesn't, doesn't mean anything

The politicians who make peace with Israel will be hanging from his balls by a lamppost the next day

20 percent of Israel is Muslim keep the number growing keep the hatred strong and they will be broken eventually
 
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Poll: Jewish majority more important than West Bank sovereignty - National Israel News | Haaretz


Almost two-thirds of Israeli Jews believe it is more important for their country to maintain a Jewish majority than to maintain sovereignty over the West Bank. Only 21 percent feel maintaining sovereignty over the West Bank is more important than preserving the Jewish majority and 7 percent believe both are equally important.

These were among the findings of the 2013 Israeli Democracy Index, published Sunday by the Guttman Center for Surveys at the Israel Democracy Institute. The index, released annually since 2003, measures trends in public opinion.

The findings also indicate what might be considered a softening in attitudes of Jewish Israelis toward the country’s Arab citizens. About 44 percent of Jewish respondents said this year that they favored government policies that encourage Arab emigration, down from 51 percent in 2010 and 54 percent in 2009 – the last two times this question was asked in the survey.

Similarly, the survey shows that Arabs no longer top the list of neighbors Israeli Jews would consider undesirable, replaced now by foreign workers. Almost 57 percent of Jewish respondents said that having foreign workers as neighbors would bother them. Next in line among those considered undesirable neighbors for Israeli Jews were an Arab family (48 percent), a homosexual couple (30.5 percent), ultra-Orthodox Jews (21 percent) and Shabbat desecrators (10 percent).

Slightly over 46 percent of Arab respondents said that having homosexual neighbors would bother them. Next in line among those considered undesirable neighbors for Arab Israelis were a Jewish family (42 percent) and foreign workers (31 percent).

The Israeli Democracy Index bases itself on a representative sample of 1,000 Israeli adults. The following are some other key findings published on Sunday:

A substantial majority of Jewish Israelis (63 percent) believes soldiers do not have the right to refuse to serve in the West Bank because they oppose the occupation. Slightly over half believe soldiers do not have the right to disobey an order to evacuate settlements either.

More than half of Israeli Jews (52 percent) believe that human and civil rights organizations, such as the Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) and B’Tselem, harm the state, while 36 percent disagree.

Overall, young Israeli Jews are more patriotic and right-wing in their leanings than their elders.

Close to half (49 percent) of all Israeli Jews believe that Jewish citizens should have more rights than non-Jewish citizens.

Most Jews feel that critical national decisions should be determined by a Jewish majority, both on matters of peace and security (67 percent) and on socioeconomic issues (57 percent).

Roughly one out of every three Israeli Jews (31 percent) believes that only Jews should determine the outcome of a referendum on peace that includes withdrawal from the West Bank.

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LOL! Yeah make peace with these peace loving people! :rofl:
 
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