Majority Pakistanis want legislation to be influenced by Islam, survey reveals

[Norwegian]

Sovereignty belongs to Allah. Will of the people has no place in an Islamic state. So you see, Democracy cannot be Islamic.

Exactly. There is no such thing as Islamic democracy. Islamic Laws can only be interpreted by Islamic clerics not majority of the people. In democracy laws are made by people's representatives by the will of the people. Not by some Islamic scholar based on his views on Islam.

 

[Spectre]

Are Qadianis equal citizens?



Followers of Pakistan movement were fighting on two fronts:

• Struggle against the British
• Struggle against the Congress

The idea of Pakistan was not to implement sharia but independence from British and Hindu domination. The rest is history

Hindus don't even dominate in India and all Indian citizens are considered equal moresoever Indian Muslims get special dispensations which none of the other faiths do. May be Pakistan as envisioned by Jinnah would have been a worthy result but sadly it no longer exists and has been dead since the early 70s.

TBH though I dont really care about anything post '47, your country - your rules..I just take umbrage when falsehoods are bandied about Independence Movements.

 

[Norwegian]

But they were also the ones who understood the idea of nationhood and sovereignty later spearheading the campaign for independence. Muslims were either too poor or too much into fighting for their own rights.
So yes, the rebellious muslims fighting and hindus collaborating with british its a lie

It's ironic that the leaders of Pakistan movement were all educated in British schools haha

Hindus don't even dominate in India and all Indian citizens are considered equal moresoever Indian Muslims get special dispensations which none of the other faiths do. May be Pakistan as envisioned by Jinnah would have been a worthy result but sadly it no longer exists and has been dead since the early 70s.

And qadianis are not considered kafir in India. Add that to the list

 

[RAMPAGE]

Sure it was. The first caliph wasn't supported by followers of Ali. They kept revolting until Ali was declared Caliph. And after his assassination completely moved away from Khilafat to form their own system of Imamat.

Let me help you out. Some Arab tribes refused to pay Zakat as soon as they heard of Muhammad SAW's death. Many false prophets surfaced at the same time.

 

[Moonlight]

Care to help out a mominah in distress? @Moonlight No offence intended.

As per my research, it's not like you are forbidden to live with non Muslims. Anyhow, gimme the details please.

 

[Norwegian]

Let me help you out. Some Arab tribes refused to pay Zakat as soon as they heard of Muhammad SAW's death. Many false prophets surfaced at the same time.

So much for ONE Islam non sense. Arabs loyalty was with prophet Muhammad and not his followers. When he died so the loyalties died with him. Revolt against them was a natural outcome and they used prophets like Musailma for their cause.

 

[Spectre]

And qadianis are not considered kafir in India. Add that to the list

That concept "Kafir" itself should not exist and rightly doesn't in most of the secular democratic countries but it is unfair to compare as Pakistan is not a secular country.

 

[livingdead]

It's ironic that the leaders of Pakistan movement were all educated in British schools haha

the priorities were different.

Upper caste hindus were leading congress party but had pan indian appeal
lower caste hindus had their own issues, Ambedkar, the biggest leader of lower caste hindus spent all his time fighting the upper caste hindus(within congress) and not british as such. For him british were the saviours(my words not his). He would have probably wanted a separate country, if it was achievable.
Muslims had issues too, they were treated badly by upper caste hindus. No wonder prominent muslim voices were against hindus and not infavour of independence as such.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

So who to decide who is practicing right Islam? Certainly not Parliamentarians as they are Muslims too from various sects.

This is similar to Christianity. Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Anglican

Islam in Shia and Sunni sects.

The four Sunni schools of law (madhahib) - the Hanafi, the Maliki, the Shafi'i and the Hanbali - are sometimes mistakenly understood as different sects, but they are not.

Can you say that they are not practising their religion correctly ? NO... Why because it is their belief that they are doing it correctly.

 

[Norwegian]

That concept "Kafir" itself should not exist and rightly doesn't in most of the secular democratic countries but it is unfair to compare as Pakistan is not a secular country.

It's not even a democracy but Islamic state that allows public choose it's leaders every 4 years. In Pakistan majority of people believe as long you are allowed to vote it's a democratic country. When in fact democracy is much more than just elections.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Fish&Chips are Jewish Cuisine not British.

Fish must have a back bone...without that is not permitted under Torah

 

[Norwegian]

This is similar to Christianity. Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Anglican

Islam in Shia and Sunni sects.

The four Sunni schools of law (madhahib) - the Hanafi, the Maliki, the Shafi'i and the Hanbali - are sometimes mistakenly understood as different sects, but they are not.

Can you say that they are not practising their religion correctly ? NO... Why because it is their belief that they are doing it correctly.

Pakistani parliamentarians believed qadianis were not practicing right Islam so they used Takfir against them and forced them out of Islam. Wondering why they didn't ban followers of Taliban same way.

 

[Spectre]

It's not even a democracy but Islamic state that allows public choose it's leaders every 4 years. In Pakistan majority of people believe as long you are allowed to vote it's a democratic country. When in fact democracy is much more than just elections.

Technically, Pakistan is a parliamentary democracy and in such a system - majority can impose their will however they want it. Now advanced democracies have safeguards built in to ensure that minorities are not discriminated against and treated equally as the majorities with no roadblocks whatsover present for their advancement.

One thing I would agree though and that is in a democracy all citizens should be equal.

As such Pakistan is a curious case of theocracy which is also a democracy.

 

[SALMAN F]

Stupidy has no limit

 

[RAMPAGE]

As per my research, it's not like you are forbidden to live with non Muslims. Anyhow, gimme the details please.

http://www.islamicislamic.com/living_in_foreign_country.htm#1._IMMIGRATING_TO_A_NON-MUSLIM_COUNTRY_

https://islamqa.info/en/13363