Majority Muslims want Sharia law in their countries: Study

[Pak-Man]

Sure.

Will believe it when I see it. People often change when they see money, fame and power.

Power corrupts.

over generalization,your argument is invalid.

 

[Pboy]

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over generalization,your argument is invalid.

Not really. We have always seen it.

In Pakistan, US, Iran, KSA, India, Norway, Sweden, You name it...

Power corrupts and people change. And it happens with the people made democratic system as well in the Sharia system in for example Iran.

Though im optimistic that we'll see a person like that soon, but not someone who can lead and implement a sharia system fairly.

Thats just my opinion on this topic. We're all entitled to our opinion.

 

[FaujHistorian]

I disagree too(with these two countries),and those two countries are illegitimate in my eyes.Islam has been present for over 1400 years and you can only think of those two countries means you don't know the history of shriah governance.

FYI. All the Khalifas were as good or as bad as their contemporaries. Even Khalifa Rashideen had messed up governments.

Only 1 out of 4 Khalifas lived to his natural death. Everyone else was murdered on the job.

It was a time of great chaos, not unlike of what is going on in Yemen, or Somalia, or Afghanistan, or FATA today. Lots and lots of infighting, and terror was the norm back then.

We the Pakistanis just put a green silk cloth on everything called Khalifa and forget or ignore the nuthouse their governance period was. Just check out Abbasis, mamlooks, mogals, Turks and you name it.

Islam may have been around for one thousand four hundred years, but it has no model of government for 21st century

And you know. It should not have any model of the government.

Religious text should just give general guidelines. And then let the people living in a particular time, to figure out the details.

Just like one should not expect Quran to give aircraft design or travel rules,

you should not expect Quran to give banking rules

or you should not expect Quran to give system of education universities etc.

all these things are particular to a time, and they all become obsolete or amended.

This is why it is futile to force Quran to give something it was never meant to give.



Muslims today are making the same mistakes that medieval Christians made in the past. They too tried to set up government in the name of bible. Look what happened to them.

No wonder most of the Christians countries have now abandoned the idea of using bible at the core of their government system and use it only as a symbol.

Pakistanis too will perhaps figure this out in 500 years that Quran is a symbol, and general set of guidelines.

And not supposed to be put at the core of government.


Thank you

 

[livingdead]

I assume you're talking about old times when Shariah law worked due to having the right persons?

You cant use it now, so many years after. The world has changed, the people has changed.

You will never find a great, pious leader for now who will implement the system fairly

Do you agree with the punishment for theft(chopping off hands), if it is implemented fairly, with right persons deciding? To me the law itself is brutal, no matter how fair the implementation might be.

 

[cyphercide]

Do you agree with the punishment for theft(chopping off hands), if it is implemented fairly, with right persons deciding? To me the law itself is brutal, no matter how fair the implementation might be.

Did you....?


Stop advocating the Islamic Jehadi cause......

 

[Pboy]

Do you agree with the punishment for theft(chopping off hands), if it is implemented fairly, with right persons deciding? To me the law itself is brutal, no matter how fair the implementation might be.

In Islam Allah(swt) forgives you if you really repent, therfore I think a jail sentence with fine or just one of them is good. I dont really like the ideas of chopping off hands, stoning to death etc.

Did you....?


Stop advocating the Islamic Jehadi cause......

lol what?

Random comment.......

 

[Pak-Man]

Muslims today are making the same mistakes that medieval Christians made in the past. They too tried to set up government in the name of bible. Look what happened to them.

except that;in that same time, Muslims lived under shariah and were making advancements in science,math,medicine, astronomy and the knowledge we preserved gave birth to their Renascence. How ironic that you missed that.

 

[livingdead]

In Islam Allah(swt) forgives you if you really repent, therfore I think a jail sentence with fine or just one of them is good. I dont really like the ideas of chopping off hands, stoning to death etc.

well then you should clearly say so, instead of blaming it on implementation only.

Many of these laws belong to a different time, as society progressed we made better laws that replaced these laws. we have no data to compare how well they worked then (for reducing crime among other things).
However we do know the countries they are in force now or recent past, are not really good advt for bringing them back.

 

[RangerPK]

My dear poster,

your post unfortunately is a living proof that Islamists are stuck in the cave ages. or perhaps a bit modern stone age.


1.
Wake up and see that now-a-days aka in modern economy every citizen pays taxes regardless of their religion. Please stop using stone age traditions.


2. - 5. These suggestions again bring so much bad name to our beautiful religion because you are associating all of us to bunch of beduins hell bent on chopping hands and feet.

People now have moved forward, way beyond stone age. We now have practices such as "rule of law", "Innocent until proven guilty", and "little or no capital" punishment.

Your examples are so limited and so outdated in the general sense of modern jurisprudence, that I urge you to study some modern law before putting stuff on paper.


6. there were no banks and financial system was practically limited to barter trade. So please don't poke your head into something you have no idea.

7. If you don't like particular food or drink item, don't eat or drink it. In this age of global tourism and global culture, let others eat or drink what they want.

In summary my dear,

try to live in 21st century instead of pushing everyone into riding camels and living in sand and bug infested tents.

These are precisely the utterings that bring so much bad name to our beautiful religion and lumps all of us to bunch of moronic Mullahs and Aytaullahs.

Muslims have already suffered so much in the hands of Mullahs and Ayatullahs, so please stop pushing us further into the depths of poverty, ignorance, and jahiliyya. This is what hypocrites used to do to early Muslims. Quit doing the work of munafiqs.


Thank you

If somebody robbed me at gunpoint, if given the opportunity I would kill that person, cutting his hands is giving him another chance at life while rendering him harmless, win win situation for all.

I don't want drunkards walking on the streets, being near me or m children,( if I have any) I won't mind if some body beat them up for it.

Edit: why shouldn't rapist be killed? If some body rapes a woman he should be kept alive for it? Kill that person ASAP. No room for rapists in our society.


These suggestions again bring so much bad name to our beautiful religion

So we should care what the non Muslims think about us?

Do Americans care what the world or non Muslims think when they legalize gay sex, homosexual marriages and legalization of pornography industry?

Why should I dictate my life over what other non Muslims from other countries are thinking? Why should I become a slave of their thoughts? That would be quite pathetic wouldn't it...

By the way, the laws I stated have nothing to do with Nargis's dancing career, no body is stoping her from doing that, her fan boys can relax now.

 

[FaujHistorian]

except that;in that same time, Muslims lived under shariah and were making advancements in science,math,medicine, astronomy and the knowledge we preserved gave birth to their Renascence. How ironic that you missed that.

OK my dear dear poster.

Here is some basic basic history for your kind information.


Muslim science period ended by 1000 AD (roughly) and the decline got into full swing.


European Renaissance mostly happened in 1400-1700 AD.
--- There is almost 4 centuries worth of difference.


some may argue that an earlier European Renaissance happened in 12th century.

---- Even then there is a different of many centuries between the death of so called Muslim science (if there ever was religion-sanctioned science) and the European Renaissance.


Please keep the history in mind before claiming something. Just sunni-sunnari gup shup will not help.


Thank you

 

[EXPERIMENT]

except that;in that same time, Muslims lived under shariah and were making advancements in science,math,medicine, astronomy and the knowledge we preserved gave birth to their Renascence. How ironic that you missed that.

No making advancements in science is only natural for example if I create something(say a telescope) it will be improved upon the next time around. Religion in general has mostly held science back. The religious (Christianity in this case) notion " The earth is the centre of the universe" held back Astronomy for hundreds of years because it did not agree with religious teachings. There have been studies conducted that if it was not for religion we would have reached this level of science about 1000 years ago. I.E. the laptop I type on would have been used by my ancient ancestors and today we would probably be chatting on this forum except you would have been on some prison planet outside the solar system.

 

[Pak-Man]

OK my dear dear poster.

Here is some basic basic history for your kind information.


Muslim science period ended by 1000 AD (roughly) and the decline got into full swing.


European Renaissance mostly happened in 1400-1700 AD.
--- There is almost 4 centuries worth of difference.


some may argue that an earlier European Renaissance happened in 12th century.

---- Even then there is a different of many centuries between the death of so called Muslim science (if there ever was religion-sanctioned science) and the European Renaissance.


Please keep the history in mind before claiming something. Just sunni-sunnari gup shup will not help.


Thank you

If everything I learned in college,school,documentaries and books are sunni-sunnari,than what is factual?I know,fuji historian,he is the source of all knowledge

 

[FaujHistorian]

.....If somebody robbed me at gunpoint, if given the opportunity I would kill that person, cutting his hands is giving him another chance at life while rendering him harmless, win win situation for all.

I don't want drunkards walking on the streets, being near me or m children,( if I have any) I won't mind if some body beat them up for it.

Edit: why shouldn't rapist be killed? If some body rapes a woman he should be kept alive for it? Kill that person ASAP. No room for rapists in our society.
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Your examples show that you live in a really really bad neighborhood nay terrible country, where the following things are norm rather than exception.

1. Everyone is getting robbed at gun point thus leaving no space to walk for even for one person who doesn't rob at gun point (that will be you! right?)
2. Every boy and girl, every man and woman, every grandma and grand pa all are getting raped day and night thus leaving no place where someone's pants are up, and shalwar is not down except for one person who doesn't rape or get raped (that will be you! right?)
3. Drunks are walking in the streets overflowing thus leaving no room for one person who doesn't drink (that will be you! right?)

So my dear, if you are the only person not robbing, raping, drinking in your country, then I highly suggest you beg, plead, take political asylum in Canada just like our favorite daaaaktar Qadree.

Because in such a society, no hand chopping, killing or ban on drinking will work. Because judges, liar lawyers, policemen everyone is "doing it" even though they profess Islamism.


Thank you

If everything I learned in college,school,documentaries and books are sunni-sunnari,than what is factual?I know,fuji historian,he is the source of all knowledge

Dear poster,

I put in years and time period to counter your argument.

Now please put some of your data based on your education in "college,school,documentaries and books" and show I made a mistake.

Thank you

 

[RangerPK]

Your examples show that you live in a really really bad neighborhood, where the following things are exception than the norm.

1. Everyone is getting robbed at gun point thus leaving no space to walk for even for one person who doesn't rob at gun point (that will be you! right?)
2. Everyone boys and girls are getting raped thus leaving no place where someone's pants are up, and shalwar is not down for one person who doesn't rape (that will be you! right?)
3. Drunks are walking in the streets overflowing thus leaving no room for one person who doesn't drink (that will be you! right?)

So my dear, if you are the only person not robbing, raping, drinking in your country, then I highly suggest you beg, plead, take political asylum in Canada just like our favorite daaaaktar Qadree.

Because in such a society, no hand chopping, killing or ban on drinking will work. Because judges, liar lawyers, policemen everyone is "doing it" even though they profess Islamism.


Thank you



Dear poster,

I put in years and time period to counter your argument.

Now please put some of your data based on your education in "college,school,documentaries and books" and show I made a mistake.

Thank you

What the hell did you just write?

I don't understand what you said, but from what I can understand? You say

Every one robs, so lets not punish the robbers?

Everyone rapes, ( wtf?) so let's not punish the rapists?

Everyone is a drunkard, lets not punish the drunkards?

That's just seriously messed up logic, and quite disgusting.

Free for all rape society, is this what you are suggesting?

Kill the rapists ASAp, the only problem who has with this is the rapist or his potential rapist friends..

I would personally like to kill all the robbers on the streets, cutting their hands seems like an acceptable compromise.

I won't mind seeing drunkards beaten up, they are quite a mess.... I have no problem with that.

 

[FaujHistorian]

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Kill the rapists ASAp, the only problem who has with this is the rapist or his potential rapist friends..

I would personally like to kill all the robbers on the streets, cutting their hands seems like an acceptable compromise.

I won't mind seeing drunkards beaten up, they are quite a mess.... I have no problem with that.

OK OK. Please calm down dear.

It is not personal. Is it? or Isn't?


Your approach is called many names where the "justice" system is based on primitive ideas such as: Vigilantism, Tribalism, adhocism, etc. etc.


These approaches are applicable when a civilized society is no longer possible, there is no government, no justice system, no police, no rangers, no army. No roads, no formal cities, and no water supply system, no schools, and obviously no colleges.

Perhaps like Islamic Emirates of Afghanistan, Somalia, or Yemen, or perhaps UN-Islamic Emirates like Congo, or Sierra Leon to name a few.

In such primitive places, people are doing what you want to do in Pakistan.


So you must realize your model is not so-called Islamic, but instead just a primitive stone age set of rules and traditions.


And you may be a popular guy for advocating stone age rules and traditions in all those places that want to be like stone age tribals, or want to look like stone age tribals, or want to live like stone age tribals.


But I urge you not to bring this vigilantism discussion in civilized societies or intellectual groups.

People will laugh out loud at you. OK they may not LOL on you because they may be too gracious to give you a break.

But please mend your ways, and quit advocating primitive tribal vigilante life style.


Thank you.