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Cost worry on Rafale and Tejas
Sujan Dutta
New Delhi, July 18: The "stopgap arrangement" to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets from France, as announced by Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his Paris visit in April, is estimated to cost the exchequer about Rs 800 crore per plane plus the cost of weapons and munitions, a defence source has told The Telegraph.

In other words, the 36 planes will cost Rs 28,800 crore.

To add to the air force's worries about depleting force levels, a light combat aircraft (LCA) Tejas that was recently in field trials in Jaisalmer returned to Bangalore with a major technical fault: its undercarriage was down.

The first of the Tejas aircraft had been handed over to the air force in January this year pending a final operational clearance for the plane, which, it was hoped, would come by December. That hope is receding.

The Jaisalmer incident has further sapped the air force's confidence in the LCA. A former air force chief, Air Chief Marshal P.V. Naik, had famously described the LCA as MiG 21-plus. The MiG 21 is of 1970s vintage.

"I wonder if you would go to a car showroom today," said the defence source, "and ask to buy a 1984 model Maruti."

The cost of the Rafale was one of the primary reasons that prompted the Modi government to rethink the contract after seven years of trials.

A contract negotiation committee is still in talks to fix the precise cost of the aircraft. The committee is not going into the technical specifications or trials of the aircraft because that is presumed to have been done during the trials through which the Rafale was selected for the air force's requirement of 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft.

But the air force is worried that the procurement process is not fast enough to meet its requirement of fighter aircraft after it "number-plates" three squadrons by the end of this financial year.

"Number-plating" of squadrons is done after the aircraft of a particular unit are phased out - retired from service - or reallocated to other units to meet their shortages. Technically, the squadrons are still "alive" but they are bereft of planes.

Typically, a fighter squadron in India's air force has 16 aircraft (plus two in reserve). By next March, the air force will have retired about 50 aircraft without adding any fighter jet to its inventory.

Defence minister Manohar Parrikar had said the government would seek to meet the requirement of the air force's fighter fleet by hastening the production of the Tejas. But the Tejas neither has the capabilities the air force requires from a medium multi-role aircraft, nor is operational.

At about Rs 800 crore apiece, the Rafale is not cheap, either. The Sukhoi 30Mki, the most modern aircraft in the air force's inventory, currently costs between Rs 420 and 430 crore, the source said. But it is the time and cost overrun relating to the LCA that is probably more expensive, cumulatively. The LCA was expected to be delivered in 1993.
 
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Undercarriage down?
If only their so called insiders were knowledgeable they would have know what is going on.

Waiting for another article stating

" Tejas has a big breakdown

As one of its screw broke down during fitting."

Prostitutes at their best
 
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Cost worry on Rafale and Tejas
Sujan Dutta
New Delhi, July 18: The "stopgap arrangement" to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets from France, as announced by Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his Paris visit in April, is estimated to cost the exchequer about Rs 800 crore per plane plus the cost of weapons and munitions, a defence source has told The Telegraph.

In other words, the 36 planes will cost Rs 28,800 crore.

To add to the air force's worries about depleting force levels, a light combat aircraft (LCA) Tejas that was recently in field trials in Jaisalmer returned to Bangalore with a major technical fault: its undercarriage was down.

The first of the Tejas aircraft had been handed over to the air force in January this year pending a final operational clearance for the plane, which, it was hoped, would come by December. That hope is receding.

The Jaisalmer incident has further sapped the air force's confidence in the LCA. A former air force chief, Air Chief Marshal P.V. Naik, had famously described the LCA as MiG 21-plus. The MiG 21 is of 1970s vintage.

"I wonder if you would go to a car showroom today," said the defence source, "and ask to buy a 1984 model Maruti."

The cost of the Rafale was one of the primary reasons that prompted the Modi government to rethink the contract after seven years of trials.

A contract negotiation committee is still in talks to fix the precise cost of the aircraft. The committee is not going into the technical specifications or trials of the aircraft because that is presumed to have been done during the trials through which the Rafale was selected for the air force's requirement of 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft.

But the air force is worried that the procurement process is not fast enough to meet its requirement of fighter aircraft after it "number-plates" three squadrons by the end of this financial year.

"Number-plating" of squadrons is done after the aircraft of a particular unit are phased out - retired from service - or reallocated to other units to meet their shortages. Technically, the squadrons are still "alive" but they are bereft of planes.

Typically, a fighter squadron in India's air force has 16 aircraft (plus two in reserve). By next March, the air force will have retired about 50 aircraft without adding any fighter jet to its inventory.

Defence minister Manohar Parrikar had said the government would seek to meet the requirement of the air force's fighter fleet by hastening the production of the Tejas. But the Tejas neither has the capabilities the air force requires from a medium multi-role aircraft, nor is operational.

At about Rs 800 crore apiece, the Rafale is not cheap, either. The Sukhoi 30Mki, the most modern aircraft in the air force's inventory, currently costs between Rs 420 and 430 crore, the source said. But it is the time and cost overrun relating to the LCA that is probably more expensive, cumulatively. The LCA was expected to be delivered in 1993.


WTF? What a kind of reporting is this?

To add to the air force's worries about depleting force levels, a light combat aircraft (LCA) Tejas that was recently in field trials in Jaisalmer returned to Bangalore with a major technical fault: its undercarriage was down.

The undercarriage or the landing gears are supposed to be 'down' during landings,AFAIK :P
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A former air force chief, Air Chief Marshal P.V. Naik, had famously described the LCA as MiG 21-plus. The MiG 21 is of 1970s vintage.

Yet another sloppy reporting. The reporter makes it sound like an insult ,than a compliment.
P.V Naik said that Tejas would be filling the 'medium and low level aircraft role in the IAF, which MiG-21 used to fill'.
Explaining the parameters on which he called the LCA Mk II as MiG 21 + + aircraft, the Naik said, "This means first in endurance, second in performance, third in load carrying, fourth is the number of weapons it can deliver. Fifth is the weight with which it can navigate with and the vintage of the aircraft or avionics and sixth is radar."

"I wonder if you would go to a car showroom today," said the defence source, "and ask to buy a 1984 model Maruti."

I bet the presstitude put that out of his imagination.


Rest of the article is the usual stuff one finds over every reports.

No see folks, numerous other sources will start reporting things based on this single report :hitwall:
 
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Highlighted part pretty much nailed it. If the previous air chief had that opinion, what hope is there that the current would have any different? but guys seriously don't give a **** to what I say just keep at it please.


Cost worry on Rafale and Tejas
Sujan Dutta
New Delhi, July 18: The "stopgap arrangement" to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets from France, as announced by Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his Paris visit in April, is estimated to cost the exchequer about Rs 800 crore per plane plus the cost of weapons and munitions, a defence source has told The Telegraph.

In other words, the 36 planes will cost Rs 28,800 crore.

To add to the air force's worries about depleting force levels, a light combat aircraft (LCA) Tejas that was recently in field trials in Jaisalmer returned to Bangalore with a major technical fault: its undercarriage was down.

The first of the Tejas aircraft had been handed over to the air force in January this year pending a final operational clearance for the plane, which, it was hoped, would come by December. That hope is receding.

The Jaisalmer incident has further sapped the air force's confidence in the LCA. A former air force chief, Air Chief Marshal P.V. Naik, had famously described the LCA as MiG 21-plus. The MiG 21 is of 1970s vintage.

"I wonder if you would go to a car showroom today," said the defence source, "and ask to buy a 1984 model Maruti."

The cost of the Rafale was one of the primary reasons that prompted the Modi government to rethink the contract after seven years of trials.

A contract negotiation committee is still in talks to fix the precise cost of the aircraft. The committee is not going into the technical specifications or trials of the aircraft because that is presumed to have been done during the trials through which the Rafale was selected for the air force's requirement of 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft.

But the air force is worried that the procurement process is not fast enough to meet its requirement of fighter aircraft after it "number-plates" three squadrons by the end of this financial year.

"Number-plating" of squadrons is done after the aircraft of a particular unit are phased out - retired from service - or reallocated to other units to meet their shortages. Technically, the squadrons are still "alive" but they are bereft of planes.

Typically, a fighter squadron in India's air force has 16 aircraft (plus two in reserve). By next March, the air force will have retired about 50 aircraft without adding any fighter jet to its inventory.

Defence minister Manohar Parrikar had said the government would seek to meet the requirement of the air force's fighter fleet by hastening the production of the Tejas. But the Tejas neither has the capabilities the air force requires from a medium multi-role aircraft, nor is operational.

At about Rs 800 crore apiece, the Rafale is not cheap, either. The Sukhoi 30Mki, the most modern aircraft in the air force's inventory, currently costs between Rs 420 and 430 crore, the source said. But it is the time and cost overrun relating to the LCA that is probably more expensive, cumulatively. The LCA was expected to be delivered in 1993.
 
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Highlighted part pretty much nailed it. If the previous air chief had that opinion, what hope is there that the current would have any different? but guys seriously don't give a **** to what I say just keep at it please.

"I wonder if you would go to a car showroom today," said the defence source, "and ask to buy a 1984 model Maruti."

The air chief marshal didn't say that, in fact no one knows who actually said it.

And this what the air chief marshal actually said about Tejas:

BANGALORE (PTI): Indian Air Force Chief Air Chief Marshal P V Naik has said the indigenously manufactured Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) would be an advanced version of the MiG 21 fighters, which have been the mainstay of the force and are on their way to be phased out in near future.

"Considering the technologies involved, it (LCA Mk II) will be a MiG 21 + + aircraft and it will render yeoman service to the IAF," he said when asked about his assessment of the aircraft.
The IAF chief was talking to reporters on the sidelines of a function to grant Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) to the LCA here.

Explaining the parameters on which he called the LCA Mk II as MiG 21 + + aircraft, the Naik said, "This means first in endurance, second in performance, third in load carrying, fourth is the number of weapons it can deliver. Fifth is the weight with which it can navigate with and the vintage of the aircraft or avionics and sixth is radar."

Asked to compare the aircraft with its contemporaries, Naik said it would be just short of Swedish Gripen NG single engine aircraft.

On the role to be played by the LCAs in the IAF, he said an air force requires high, medium and low end aircraft to perform its tasks and the indigenous fighter would be used to fill in the gaps at the "medium and low" level.

IAF has placed orders for 40 LCAs in IOC mode and is expected to procure another 160 LCA Mk II later in the decade.
 
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WTF? What a kind of reporting is this?



The undercarriage or the landing gears are supposed to be 'down' during landings,AFAIK :P
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Yet another sloppy reporting. The reporter makes it sound like an insult ,than a compliment.
P.V Naik said that Tejas would be filling the 'medium and low level aircraft role in the IAF, which MiG-21 used to fill'.
Explaining the parameters on which he called the LCA Mk II as MiG 21 + + aircraft, the Naik said, "This means first in endurance, second in performance, third in load carrying, fourth is the number of weapons it can deliver. Fifth is the weight with which it can navigate with and the vintage of the aircraft or avionics and sixth is radar."



I bet the presstitude put that out of his imagination.


Rest of the article is the usual stuff one finds over every reports.

No see folks, numerous other sources will start reporting things based on this single report :hitwall:

May be just a technical fault where landing gear wouldn't have retracted back in.
And as usual blown out of proportion.
 
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This article is just paid news with an agenda

These days anybody with an agenda can write anything
 
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Relax bro!!!!!!

Jets break then they get fixed and start flying again. Its a useless article. The author didn't even specify the issue" UNDERCARRIAGE IS DOWN", such a broad statement. don't pay any mind to this.
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What's the fukin big deal about an undercarriage not retracting? This is the first time it has happened after thousands of flying hours of the LCA! In contrast, the swanky new American Boeing 787s have had this problem since its induction!

The clueless author knows not what he's ranting about! A little knowledge is a dangerous thing!
 
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May be just a technical fault where landing gear wouldn't have retracted back in.
And as usual blown out of proportion.

We should wait for reports with more clarity and more trusted sources bro. But the thing is that, now several other sources will start 're-reporting' it based on this half-baked article.

Also, everyone,please take a look at this:

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^^^^article from The New Indian Express, written by Hemant Kumar Rout claiming the Pinaka had a 'poor show during the kargil', essentially branding the Pinaka as a failure.

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^^^ The same author(Hemant Kumar Rout), the same newspaper 'The New Indian Express', saying the 'Pinaka was successful in Kargil'.:devil:
 
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Well that's pretty pathetic reporting TBH.

Undercarriage not retracting can be due to a multitude of problems which don't have anything to do with the aircraft itself.

Faulty maintenance, locking pin not being removed, lax maintenance etc. Or simply a hydraulic failure or FOD...

This article is just stretching it a bit too far...

Tejas is becoming the F-35 of the IAF!
 
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