Major reason for sufferings of Indian Muslims

[hussain0216]

We also need to discuss areas of India where Indian Muslims can form the areas of majority

These are naturally occurring


So a chunk of Kerala
Areas where Assam and Bengal touch Bangladesh
Kashmir
Hyderabad
Western UP


See the point is, a small area of local majority is better then nothing but it's STILL a threat because it's not enough

That just gives the hindutva mobs a target where they will find all the Muslims

The areas of majority need to be COUNTRY sized, whole regions full of the faithful

 

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

We also need to discuss areas of India where Indian Muslims can form the areas of majority

These are naturally occurring


So a chunk of Kerala
Areas where Assam and Bengal touch Bangladesh
Kashmir
Hyderabad
Western UP


See the point is, a small area of local majority is better then nothing but it's STILL a threat because it's not enough

That just gives the hindutva mobs a target where they will find all the Muslims

The areas of majority need to be COUNTRY sized, whole regions full of the faithful

doing hijrah within India and move to areas you mentioned is what i would do if i was an indian muslim. but these leaders of indians muslims arent preaching this yet as far i know. maybe they will if things get worse, like anti-muslim riots.

 

[waz]

Another thread on victimhood, Facepalm.
and the mods with casual racism. I mean what society Pakistanis producing that they so much indoctrinated which allow them to do such casual racism. And society not even voice against it.

India will definitely survive, there is a lot of racism happen in India too, but atleast people have freedom & power to voice against it. but the society these guys producing, only God can save them.

Racism, where?
If you want to sit back and not face the threat thats hurtling towards you like an out of control freight train then so be it.
As for Pakistani society and what it produces, I can tell you that it doesn't have a man who organised the mass genocide of a minority sitting as the PM.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

Racism, where?
If you want to sit back and not face the threat thats hurtling towards you like an out of control freight train then so be it.
As for Pakistani society and what it produces, I can tell you that it doesn't have a man who organised the mass genocide of a minority sitting as the PM.

We indeed face the threats that's coming from Pakistan and this whole thread is proof of that what we need to deal with and where we need to push, and how to utilize that. And don't worry, we are pushing back. I am pretty sure soon Bangladesh file the case against Pakistan for war crimes in ICC. Then let's see who done the genocide. In a country where violence is so much mainstreamed talking about genocide in other countries. that is so laughable.

For racism, if you are unable to understand what you doing, then it's good for us, and it's the best we got separated, it's good riddance, most of the indoctrinated filth left India. You guys are so much ideological, that even see self interest through the prism of ideology.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Migration is painful and that's the number one reason most Indian Muslims didn't migrate to Pakistan between 1947-early 50s. And yet millions did migrate despite the very believable theories that the new state of Pakistan would not survive for long.

Migration never was part of the partition plan. If all the Muslims of the British Raj had migrated to the few provinces [Sindh, Punjab, NWFP, East Bengal] which voted for Pakistan the new country would have been drowned in people. If migration [population transfer] had been part of partition then land would have had to be adjusted accordingly.

The reality is nobody expected or planned for large scale killing and riots. The orgy of killing is what precipitated the wave of migrants. Meaning most migrants moved because of compulsion and NOT choice. Later after the fact stories of self sacrifice blah, blah have been constructed to build the edifice. No doubt that did apply to some individuals but vast majority migrated because of no higher ideals but simple FEAR.

Going back to the dea of Muslims suffering in India we must try to understand that as wider issue in India as opposed to through the prism of India/Pak rivalry. I don't think Indian Muslims suffered more than other groups like Dalits although of late under Modi the Muslims are being made conspicious. But fact is Muslim suffering has to be seen through the lens of poverty along with other groups like Dalits.

I feal the Indian Muslim issue is latched on to by Pakistani Mohajis to validate their hijrat in 1947. To validate that means they have to find the Indian Muslims as suffering. Furthermore this subject also gets attention by the religious lobbies who always like to look at the world in the binary of Muslim/Hindu. For them there is no Pakistan or India but Hindu realm and Muslim realm. This in effect negates the very idea of nation states. The extreme fringe of this thought has nurtured groups like ISIS or Al Qaeda or TTP who believe in the idea of trans-national global ummah where states are haram and entities like Pakistan Army are working for global Zionist American order.

it's the best we got separated, it's good riddance, most of the indoctrinated filth left India. You guys are so much ideological, that even see self interest through the prism of ideology.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

BTW, I don't understand why you guys doing propaganda based on ideology on a Pakistani website, which almost have no Indian visitors, only enthusiast like me who want to check defence development on that side of the border.

If you want to do ideological propaganda, then atleast do where Indians read. What benefit you guys gain from doing here? It's like creating echo chamber, while achieving nothing. Just my simple observation over this thread.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

We indeed face the threats that's coming from Pakistan

Whilst I don't agree with everything you said but within your post was some gems. It is very true about the toxic idealogical thinking which is widespread in some groups in Pakistan that is doing so much damage to the country. May I ask which part of India you are from?

 

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

website, which almost have no Indian visitors

are you having a laugh? almost no indian visitors? this website has so many indians that it should change its name to Desi Defence Forum.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

Whilst I don't agree with everything you said but within your post was some gems. It is very true about the toxic idealogical thinking which is widespread in some groups in Pakistan that is doing so much damage to the country. May I ask which part of India you are from?

I have no problem if you guys want to talk shit against Indians, and want to break India. I get that, but what I don't get why you want to see your enemy from ideological PoV? What you gain by that? And talking about creating national policies based on that.

Seriously you guys losing the battle from the get-go, when you bring religion into it. Its a lost cause, and we see what happened with Pakistan in the Middle East when they thought ideology should be in foreign policy, instead of ruthless realpolitik.

And I am from new Delhi, thank you.

are you having a laugh? almost no indian visitors? this website has so many indians that it should change its name to Desi Defence Forum.

If you want to change our nationalist indoctrination of people like me in any serious way, then best of luck to you.

 

[waz]

We indeed face the threats that's coming from Pakistan and this whole thread is proof of that what we need to deal with and where we need to push, and how to utilize that. And don't worry, we are pushing back. I am pretty sure soon Bangladesh file the case against Pakistan for war crimes in ICC. Then let's see who done the genocide. In a country where violence is so much mainstreamed talking about genocide in other countries. that is so laughable.

For racism, if you are unable to understand what you doing, then it's good for us, and it's the best we got separated, it's good riddance, most of the indoctrinated filth left India. You guys are so much ideological, that even see self interest through the prism of ideology.

I knew a cowardly reply was coming, I just didn't think it would be this meek.

Pakistan isn't sharpening its swords and Trishuls to cut the throats of Indian Muslim children. Pakistan isn't organising squads to pick out the homes of pretty Muslim girls to rape during riots. Pakistan isn't burning Masjids to the ground. Pakistan isn't reducing to ashes your businesses, everything from factories to food stalls during pogroms. Pakistan isn't killing Muslim men on a whim of eating beef or doing 'love jihad'.

You're a typical example of the rot within the Indian Muslim community i.e. the one who still yells at Pakistan when his head is on the platter of the Sanghi hordes. You dance to the tune of your masters whilst they plan for your removal.
Bangladesh genocide, why the hell are you bringing that in, have you seen what your forces are doing in Kashmir? It's far worse and on a longer scale.
As for separation, what do you mean 'good riddance', we were always here, and never wanted to be part of your country. We saw to that with the bullet and bayonet, something you might want to learn about, considering you are top of the hit list.
You call the ones who left indoctrinated filth, the only filth I see is the cowardly filth I am replying to. You're not worthy for tying the shoes of the genius of Dr Muhammad Raziuddin Siddiqu. Go google him and his achievements, and to call him indoctrinated is hilarious, just like your post.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

I knew a cowardly reply was coming, I just didn't think it would be this meek.

Pakistan isn't sharpening its swords and Trishuls to cut the throats of Indian Muslim children. Pakistan isn't organising squads to pick out the homes of pretty Muslim girls to rape during riots. Pakistan isn't burning Masjids to the ground. Pakistan isn't reducing to ashes your businesses, everything from factories to food stalls during pogroms. Pakistan isn't killing Muslim men on a whim of eating beef or doing 'love jihad'.

You're a typical example of the rot within the Indian Muslim community i.e. the one who still yells at Pakistan when his head is on the platter of the Sanghi hordes. You dance to the tune of your masters whilst they plan for your removal.
Bangladesh genocide, why the hell are you bringing that in, have you seen what your forces are doing in Kashmir? It's far worse and on a longer scale.
As for separation, what do you mean 'good riddance', we were always here, and never wanted to be part of your country. We saw to that with the bullet and bayonet, something you might want to learn about, considering you are top of the hit list.
You call the ones who left indoctrinated filth, the only filth I see is the cowardly filth I am replying to. You're not worthy to tying the shoes of the genius of Dr Muhammad Raziuddin Siddiqu. Go google him and his achievements, and to call him indoctrinated is hilarious, just like your post.

Seriously again? I guess it's good for us. And we are sharpening our swords and Trishul, but not for Indian Muslims, we are Indian citizens. But for someone else, I can give you 110% guarantee on that. So let's wait and watch.

And I don't need a certificate from you, at least from people who roam around and do casual racism. We are proud Indian Muslims. And this is Indian-Muslim, not Muslim-Indians. And once Pakistanis understand they are Pakistani-Muslims instead of Muslim-Pakistani, they start to achieve their goal.

But I don't see that is happening n my lifetime, and I am in my 20s. Only I see soon Pakistani will be declaring maulana maudidi as Father of the nation.

 

[Iltutmish]

We are proud Indian Muslims.

You mean proud Indian Shiites. Yeah, this is what you are.

 

[waz]

Seriously again? I guess it's good for us. And we are sharpening our swords and Trishul, but not for Indian Muslims, we are Indian citizens. But for someone else, I can give you 110% guarantee on that. So let's wait and watch.

If that's us why don't you bring it? You already tried in 2019 and got the sh*t knocked out of you, with the world laughing, whilst the wreaks of your airforce were still smouldering. We also see what's going on in the LOC.
You lot talk a big fight, haven't got the will to carry it out.

And I don't need a certificate from you, at least from people who roam around and do casual racism. We are proud Indian Muslims. And this is Indian-Muslim, not Muslim-Indians. And once Pakistanis understand they are Pakistani-Muslims instead of Muslim-Pakistani, they start to achieve their goal.

But I don't see that is happening n my lifetime, and I am in my 20s. Only I see soon Pakistani will be declaring maulana maudidi as Father of the nation.

Keep insulting Pakistan, just make sure you turn your back the the sanghis hordes come. It's a pro tip, don't take it to heart.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

If that's us why don't you bring it? You already tried in 2019 and got the sh*t knocked out of you, with the world laughing, whilst the wreaks of your airforce were still smouldering. We also see what's going on in the LOC.
You lot talk a big fight, haven't got the will to carry it out.

You think that was the end-game? At least read the policy papers coming out from China, those guys do far far better analysis of India than you guys, even without understanding Indian culture. Might be they don't bring ideology into it.

Keep insulting Pakistan, just make sure you turn your back the the sanghis hordes come. It's a pro tip, don't take it to heart.

Faceplam, this is how you break India.

You mean proud Indian Shiites. Yeah, this is what you are.

Ahh, first it was sanghi, now Shia, next what? And then you guys say we are not ideological

 

[Jobless Jack]

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Reality

1. 200 million Muslims are just 4.9% of 88 lakh state and central govt employees

2. Not a single Muslim among 303 MP's of BJP

3. Muslims are only 1% in armed forces ( Not a single Muslim in RAW)

4. In faculties of different universities, Muslims are only 3.7%

5. In foreign office, Muslims are just 3.2%

6. From 1999 to 2013, Muslim representation in police has remained b/w 3 to 4%

7. The postal department had 2.7 lakh employees of whom 5% are Muslim, most in Group D

8. There is no Muslim minister in 15 of 28 states. In the remaining 13 states, there's only one Muslim minister





( Indian Muslims have tried to prove their loyalty every day to Hindu masters yet they are butchered on streets like vegetables, they are raped at will, lynched for fun but they think they are better than Pakistani Muslims )

As Quaid said " Indian Muslims will spend rest of their loves proving loyalty to Hindus"



At the same time I feel extremely offended when people on this forum talk about accommodating the Indian muslims in Pakistan. No Thankyou!!

They chose nationalism and secularism over Islam.

May allah forgive.