Major DNA ancestry database now correctly lists Pakistanis as Central Asian

[Pakhtoon yum]

Hello friend, though I disagree with some of your statements and consider them historically inaccurate, I believe it is best not to continue this "discussion" as it has turned into a divisive argument , which was not of my intention. If I offended you, please forgive me. At the end of the day, all that matters is we are both Muslim and Pakistani brothers.

Not offended at all. Just discussing and sorry if I lost my cool. I'm going through some stressful times and I'm afraid I might have took it out on you. Sorry.

 

[Progressive1]

we are pakistanis , i dont care we are in africa, east asia or central asia.

 

[Hamza913]

but Hindkowan (Hazara region-not Afghan ones) are ethnic Pukhtoons

Most of them are not lol.

 

[W.11]

Punjabi version? That's the pakhtoon version. People of kpk and quetta have worn this type for a very long time. Shelwar kameez only got popular in Punjab after 1947, otherwise they wore their lungi thing. Stop trying to down play other ethnicities

Im not gonna argue whether pashtuns wore shalwar kameez or Punjabis, but here are some evidences that Kurta(slit shirt like kameez) and baggy trousers like shalwar were in fashion in india or atleast north west india since 11th century

Al Biruni states;

So according to alberuni, shalwar kameez were in fashion in india.

there are also artistic depictions of kurtas and shalwars for instance

this figure is from gupta period, india, and one can clearly observe slits on both sides of the tunic the female is wearing.

secondly, the baggy trousers are depicted in an art piece from 8-10th centuries AD

https://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/fineart/people/faculty/flood_PDFs/Conflict and Cosmopolitanism.pdf

it is clearly mentioned that the indian figures are wearing baggy trousers along with kurta.

 

[W.11]

In line with scientific research findings, people of Pakistan origin are now listed as Central Asian in one of the largest and most reputed commercially available ancestry DNA testing databases.

AncestryDNA now lists all ethnic Pakistanis in the Central Asia - South category, as this is now the accepted norm in scientific research papers. Following the same norms, Afghanistan and Tajikistan are also included in the same category. I had earlier also reported the scientific research findings and papers concerning Pakistan, but seeing it now included in a major commercial ancestry genetic test is quite interesting.

The personal DNA testing company adds the following specific details for the region:



Images depicting the geographic region

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an ameteur can observe this map and declare it as complete BS. just check our the part where indonesian papua island part of new guinea is merged together with the colonial type demarcation of a straight line, this is not a natural demarcation of two diff ethnicities but represents the colonial politics.

secondly if you look closely the iranian balochistan is separated in the map from pakistan balochistan, again which is entirely not possible, the egyptian genetic map is also drawn just like a political boundary and national borders of egypt which is just colonialism.

linguistics and genetics are the two last frontiers of colonial imperialism ad are largely moulded in favour of western european narrative.

regards

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Im not gonna argue whether pashtuns wore shalwar kameez or Punjabis, but here are some evidences that Kurta(slit shirt like kameez) and baggy trousers like shalwar were in fashion in india or atleast north west india since 11th century

Al Biruni states;

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So according to alberuni, shalwar kameez were in fashion in india.

there are also artistic depictions of kurtas and shalwars for instance

this figure is from gupta period, india, and one can clearly observe slits on both sides of the tunic the female is wearing.

secondly, the baggy trousers are depicted in an art piece from 8-10th centuries AD

https://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/fineart/people/faculty/flood_PDFs/Conflict and Cosmopolitanism.pdf

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it is clearly mentioned that the indian figures are wearing baggy trousers along with kurta.

Your point being? Also wtf is india? There was no India then

 

[W.11]

Your point being?

my point is, you cannot argue that shalwar kameez was a pashtun dress based on these facts and that the people of punjab only used to wear lungi before 1947.

regards

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Im not gonna argue whether pashtuns wore shalwar kameez or Punjabis, but here are some evidences that Kurta(slit shirt like kameez) and baggy trousers like shalwar were in fashion in india or atleast north west india since 11th century

Al Biruni states;

View attachment 586811

So according to alberuni, shalwar kameez were in fashion in india.

there are also artistic depictions of kurtas and shalwars for instance

this figure is from gupta period, india, and one can clearly observe slits on both sides of the tunic the female is wearing.

secondly, the baggy trousers are depicted in an art piece from 8-10th centuries AD

https://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/fineart/people/faculty/flood_PDFs/Conflict and Cosmopolitanism.pdf

View attachment 586813
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it is clearly mentioned that the indian figures are wearing baggy trousers along with kurta.

That Gupta depiction is rare, hence it was most likely an illustration of a foreign woman, likely a Kushan.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

my point is, you cannot argue that shalwar kameez was a pashtun dress based on these facts and that the people of punjab only used to wear lungi before 1947.

regards

Majority they did yes.

 

[W.11]

That Gupta depiction is rare, hence it was most likely an illustration of a foreign woman, likely a Kushan.

so where is a kushan dress illustration which elaborates on two slits on the dress?

regards

 

[Indus Pakistan]

in india or atleast north west india since 11th century

Is this Haryana/Indian Sikh Punjab etc your talking about? Look below at the box and clarify kindly.

 

[W.11]

Is this Haryana/Indian Sikh Punjab etc your talking about? Look below at the box and clarify kindly.

sindh and probably punjab as well etc according to elephant artifact, im not sure about al biruni's geography, which region he is refering to.

regards

 

[Indus Pakistan]

sindh and probably punjab as well etc according to elephant artifact, im not sure about al biruni's geography, which region he is refering to.

regards

You mean South/East Pakistan. Look below. Not fcukin India.

 

[Dubious]

There are recent studies too which say the same thing. I just posted what I could easily find online. Besides this source, I posted another source. Further, just because they are old doesn't mean they are not true. Even Talwar E Pakistani accepts that this is the most popular theory even at present if not the most widely accepted.

Actually coz they are old, they are doubtful! Science has been advancing and A LOT of studies have been "replaced" / "revisited" and a lot of areas have been reclassified/ repackaged!

 

[W.11]

Actually coz they are old, they are doubtful! Science has been advancing and A LOT of studies have been "replaced" / "revisited" and a lot of areas have been reclassified/ repackaged!

so what is the latest reclassification of IVC?

https://www.jstor.org/stable/41927733?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Clyde Ahmad has published as well.

The Dravidian theory is the most widely accepted theory about the IVC now. There are many more sources on the internet about this besides what I posted.

to be honest, ''dravidian theory'' isnt much of a theory either, there is zero material evidence for ''dravidian culture'', most we know is the megalithic one from dravidian south india which cannot in any way be linked to indus valley civilization.

regards