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I did some Googling and found an interesting news piece about Denel. The company was apparently in talks at some point around 2013 with Pakistan over an A-Darter "production contract" worth $180 million U.S.

Note, this is outdated, doesn't mean anything today, but it is just a neat bit of info. Don't take it for anything more...but it does indicate we've been talking to that company a few years ago, and we were willing to think about taking things a few steps further than just off-the-shelf purchases.

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Denel Dynamics is responsible for the A-Darter missile production contract, and values this work at R700 million in 2013. The A-Darter project is 81% complete. In its report, Denel mentioned an A-Darter production contract with Pakistan, valued at R2.6 billion in 2013.

State owned aerospace and defence company Denel has secured R5 billion worth of export orders during the 2011/2012 financial year and will execute these over the next five to seven years. It is also pursuing tens of billions of rands worth of future projects.

Denel has numerous domestic and foreign contracts in the works, the group announced during its presentation of its financial results last week. Denel made a R41 million profit during the 2011/2012 financial year ending March 31.

In its annual general meeting report, Denel outlined its cardinal campaigns that require stakeholder support in 2012 and 2013. These campaigns are valued at over R10 billion in 2012 and R15 billion in 2013.

In South Africa, Denel is working on several major projects, including the Hoefyster production contract, which is being undertaken by Denel Land Systems (DLS) – this campaign is valued at R8.4 billion. It will see the South African National Defence Force acquire 264 Badger infantry combat vehicles.

In its synopsis report of Denel’s financial results, auditing firm Ernst & Young noted that Hoefyster is 73% complete and on track, but 6% behind on contractual deliveries, although no penalties have been incurred. “Management is confident that the second phase of the contract will be finalised in 2012/2013.”

Denel Land Systems is also working on the GI-30 CamGun for the Badger and turrets for the Malaysian armed forces. Denel in the last financial year received an advance payment of R448 million for this 348 million euro contract, which will see it supply 69 two-man turrets fitted with the GI-30 30 mm main gun, 54 missile turrets equipped with the GI-30 and Denel Dynamics Ingwe anti-tank missile system, 216 laser-guided Ingwe missiles and 54 remote control weapons systems.

Denel Dynamics is responsible for the A-Darter missile production contract, and values this work at R700 million in 2013. The A-Darter project is 81% complete. In its report, Denel mentioned an A-Darter production contract with Pakistan, valued at R2.6 billion in 2013.

Some of the primary campaigns identified for Denel Integrated Systems Solutions (DISS) include the upgrading of 35 mm guns (worth R350 million in 2012) and the upgrading of the 35 mm air defence system (worth R1 billion in 2013).

Denel Aerostructures, currently producing components for the Airbus A400M, Gulfstream business jet and other aircraft, will be involved in the production of maritime patrol aircraft under Project Saucepan, according to Denel. It will also have a role in the replacement of the South African Air Force’s CASA fleet (under Project Kiepie). Denel noted that the campaign for aerostructures work from Brazil’s Embraer has a value of R170 million for 2012.

The CEO of Denel Aerostructures, Ismail Dockrat, said that good progress was being made on the A400M renegotiations and there would be further opportunities emerging from the confidence Airbus has shown in the company. He said Denel was engaging with other manufactuers, such as Embraer and Bombardier, for more work. “There are quite exciting opportunities we are pursuing,” he said.“We hope to be able to take advantage of commercial sector growth.”

Other domestic work includes a campaign to supply R100 million worth of small and medium calibre ammunition to the South African National Defence Force in 2012 and R200 million worth of ammunition in 2013.

Elsewhere in Africa, Denel aims to supply missiles for Algeria’s recently ordered Meko class frigates (valued at R700 million this year) and upgrade Algerian Mi-171 helicopters (value: R3.3 billion in 2013).

Denel is eying several contracts in the Middle East, including an order for Umbani precision guided bomb kits from the United Arab Emirates (valued at R250 million in 2012). In addition, one of Denel’s campaigns is a R450 million deal in 2013 to supply Seeker 400 unmanned aerial vehicles to the United Arab Emirates, which is believed to be the launch customer for the type. Development of the Seeker 400 is expected to be completed by FY2013 at a cost of R114 million.

Elsewhere in the Middle East, Denel lists Saudi Arabia as the source of a G6 artillery supply contract worth R6 billion in 2013. Meanwhile, Denel Land Systems is gunning for an artillery upgrade in Oman, worth R250 million in 2013.

Other campaigns identified by Denel include mine clearing in Turkey undertaken by Mechem, valued at R30 million this year. Additional Cheetah aircraft and missiles for Ecuador could be worth R180 million in 2013.

In a presentation to the select committee on labour and public enterprises in May this year, Denel identified several orders that it deemed critical to secure, including the Hoefyster project, A-Darter missile and ammunition orders from South Africa, Umbani and A-Darter exports and the second phase of the Ground Based Air Defence System (GBADS). Ernst & Young noted that the GBADS contract is 97% complete.

Denel Aviation is busy with the Rooivalk upgrade programme, which was allocated R78 million for 2012, and R116 million in 2011, according to Ernst & Young. The company noted that Denel Aviaton’s contract regarding Ecuador’s Cheetahs is profitable – it has a five year maintenance supply contract for the aircraft.

Under Project Drummer 2, Denel Aviation is upgrading the communications and navigation systems of the South African Air Force’s Oryx helicopters. Ernst & Young noted that this is an ‘onerous contract,’ with a remaining provision of R35 million. Denel is in ‘ongoing discussions with Armscor’ over the project.

In its May presentation document, Denel revealed that for 2010/2011, 56% of its sales came from South Africa while 19% came from the Middle East, 13% from Europe, 6% from North America, 2% from Africa, 1% from South America and 3% from the Asia-Pacific. The company’s Corporate Office is hoping to develop Venezuela, Vietnam and Africa into sustainable markets.

Public Enterprises Minister Malusi Gigaba said that last year the global defence industry was in trouble due to the global economic and financial crisis. Last week whilst briefing the media on Denel’s annual results, he said that the situation had not changed and the industry would be in this situation for the foreseeable future.

Gigaba said that declining defence spending in the United States and Europe is being offset by rising defence expenditure in China, India and the Middle East. The minister added that most Denel business is projected to come from the East and Africa. “Denel will position itself to penetrate the African market. This will require strong and active shareholder support.”
 
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I did some Googling and found an interesting news piece about Denel. The company was apparently in talks at some point around 2013 with Pakistan over an A-Darter "production contract" worth $180 million U.S.

Note, this is outdated, doesn't mean anything today, but it is just a neat bit of info. Don't take it for anything more...but it does indicate we've been talking to that company a few years ago, and we were willing to think about taking things a few steps further than just off-the-shelf purchases.

@Horus @Bratva @HRK @Tank131 @Bilal Khan 777 @MastanKhan @Oscar @Manticore @waz

Denel Dynamics is responsible for the A-Darter missile production contract, and values this work at R700 million in 2013. The A-Darter project is 81% complete. In its report, Denel mentioned an A-Darter production contract with Pakistan, valued at R2.6 billion in 2013.


A-Darter has a range of 10-12 Km as opposed to 20 KM of PL-10. If both missiles has similar guidance and algorithm quality, It wont be surprising if PL-10 emerges as a winner in the end.

http://www.fab.mil.br/noticias/mostra/21347/TECNOLOGIA---Novo-míssil-da-FAB-atinge-alvo-em-teste

http://www.janes.com/article/56021/denel-launches-a-darter-sraam-production

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/a-darter-air-to-air-missile/


July 7/14: South Africa’s defenceWeb looks at Denel Dynamics’ growing array of missiles and guided weapons. With respect to the A-Darter:

“On the A-Darter air-to-air missile front, Denel Dynamics is planning improvements for this weapon, including extended range and targeting. An A-Darter Mk II would feature improved acquisition, target tracking and countermeasures upgrades while an A-Darter Mk III would feature a mid-life update (MLU).”


http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/south-africa-brazil-to-develop-adarter-sraam-03286/
 
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A-Darter has a range of 10-12 Km as opposed to 20 KM of PL-10. If both missiles has similar guidance and algorithm quality, It wont be surprising if PL-10 emerges as a winner in the end.

http://www.fab.mil.br/noticias/mostra/21347/TECNOLOGIA---Novo-míssil-da-FAB-atinge-alvo-em-teste

http://www.janes.com/article/56021/denel-launches-a-darter-sraam-production

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/a-darter-air-to-air-missile/


July 7/14: South Africa’s defenceWeb looks at Denel Dynamics’ growing array of missiles and guided weapons. With respect to the A-Darter:

“On the A-Darter air-to-air missile front, Denel Dynamics is planning improvements for this weapon, including extended range and targeting. An A-Darter Mk II would feature improved acquisition, target tracking and countermeasures upgrades while an A-Darter Mk III would feature a mid-life update (MLU).”


http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/south-africa-brazil-to-develop-adarter-sraam-03286/
Yep. There's also no doubting China's supply line, they'll buy a lot of PL-10s to service their fleet, and will assuredly keep iterating on the missile.
 
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Yep. There's also no doubting China's supply line, they'll buy a lot of PL-10s to service their fleet, and will assuredly keep iterating on the missile.
Actually Pakistan already started working on A2A missile making in pakistan(own A2A missile).
 
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Pak Defence Ind is quite secretive in Nature .With many products and collaboration undertaken .A Darter was serious contender to be manufactured in Pak .I even knew Indian crying over this deal with Brazil and South Africa but no news surfaces after that .Some time PAF confidence about few things also makes you wander that they might have more punch then what we realized and some time it looked that PAF is the most Mazloom Air force in the world .Its kind of mixed feeling
 
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Pak Defence Ind is quite secretive in Nature .With many products and collaboration undertaken .A Darter was serious contender to be manufactured in Pak .I even knew Indian crying over this deal with Brazil and South Africa but no news surfaces after that .Some time PAF confidence about few things also makes you wander that they might have more punch then what we realized and some time it looked that PAF is the most Mazloom Air force in the world .Its kind of mixed feeling
Interesting news is that the A-Darter was mentioned by the PAF as recently as the 2015 Paris Air Show (by AVM Arshad Malik). Will be interesting to see what they say in Morocco.
 
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Yep. There's also no doubting China's supply line, they'll buy a lot of PL-10s to service their fleet, and will assuredly keep iterating on the missile.

Exactly. iteration will be the thing where China would have edge over SAF/Brazil. While later would be upgrading range from 12-20 KM. Chinese might be working on increasing range from 20-30 KM. The only edge I see of A-darter is it has less number of control surfaces as compared to PL-10 and also the guidance unit of it might be sophisticated than the chinese one. Though not as sophisticated because they are talking about more refinements in guidance unit of A-darter
 
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Interesting news is that the A-Darter was mentioned by the PAF as recently as the 2015 Paris Air Show (by AVM Arshad Malik). Will be interesting to see what they say in Morocco.
I think there will be two version one for public and another one for Operator Air force. For public it will be yeah they shave shown interest in latest block bla bla bla .Its 1/3 price of any modern aircraft bla bla and with customer presentation all things open up and briefing includes all weapons integrated ,tested and in talks for offer so i am not keeping my hopes very high for public point of view but from Sale point of view I think Morocco needs French consent as well since Morocco is still under heavy French influence may be the latest interest in Avionic from France was due to these colonies .
 
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The issue with A-darter vs PL-10 is more than just which has better specs. One should not preclude the other. The major issue for Pakistan is diversification of suppliers and for its own use but also for foreign sales. If PAF can match western electronics with A-darter and Marlin LRAAM, then you have a potentially attractive option for mid-tier countries like in the Gulf/Jordan or South American and Nigeria.
 
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The issue with A-darter vs PL-10 is more than just which has better specs. One should not preclude the other. The major issue for Pakistan is diversification of suppliers and for its own use but also for foreign sales. If PAF can match western electronics with A-darter and Marlin LRAAM, then you have a potentially attractive option for mid-tier countries like in the Gulf/Jordan or South American and Nigeria.

Hi,

There is a good chance that all the chinese weapons that the JF17 has---may not be avilable to other nation---only some of them.

China would not want to expose its top tier tech to anyone else but pakistan.
 
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Great if gets the job done and we can save some money and rather export a few and earn some money and invest in R&D improving it step by step until it becomes one of the best fighters in the world. That is why we should always favour indigenisation, ToT and making our own designs from the scratch and breaking the monopolies and dominations.

IN CASE OF EXPORT DON'T YOU THINK THAT INDIA MAY APPROACH TO THE COUNTRIES WE EXPORTED & HENCE START COUNTER THREAT MESUREMENTS?
 
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Hi

Should we expect retractable IFR probe for block 3?

Just to reduce the RCS and avoid any hindrance in sight?
 
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