Major Alaa Waheeb, the IDF’s most decorated Muslim soldier, received the Minister of Defense’s Medal

[Saif al-Arab]

Just as we are warring cuzins.

And have never really escalated the brutality and span of war beyond an unspoken Rubicon. That both sides (I would like to think) have not crossed because of blood.

Like the Korea's.

Your future eventually lies in peace with us. Either together or still separate I don't know.

I would like to think the former.

Cheers, Doc

Did the Pashtuns (some 300 years ago) not invade and conquer much of Iran and in the process and commit mass-murder of entire cities? That's what history tells us at least and contemporary Iranian sources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Isfahan

https://www.britannica.com/event/Afghan-interlude

There don't seem to be much love lost between actual cousins (Tajiks and Pashtuns who are most probably the closest relatives out there) either in that entity called Afghanistan. That struggle far predates the USSR-US proxy war.

See post 19 for further "explanation" of the ground reality outside of forums and dick measuring contests.

But, I believe that you "Parsis" tend to believe that most modern-day Iranians are Arabs and Semites which actually genetically speaking was the case long before the Arab conquest of Iran. When Persians/Iranians appeared in history 2500 years ago they were first recorded by much older and more powerful contemporary Semitic civilizations (Assyrian at that time) whose culture they copied on almost every front. Architecture, title (Kings of Kings is actually an ancient Semitic title), alphabet (you guys had no alphabet prior to that), bureaucracy etc. You even made your capital in the Semitic heartland (Babylon). So whether pre-Islamic or post-islamic, much of Iranian culture owns itself to the Semitic and Arab culture. At least actual objective historians (neither Arabs nor Iranians) have spoken about this in length. Of course influences occurred the other way around as well. Intermarriages have been quite common in Eastern Arabia, Iraq (the Arab lands that border Iran) and Southern and Western Iran throughout all of the Islamic era. Even long before.

That's why it is so easy for us Arabs that celebrate and are knowledgeable about the pre-Islamic era (dating far, far back than just 2500 years ago) can put the usual empty and moronic propaganda to bed very, very quickly.



National Geographic: Iranian natives’ genetic makeup is 56 percent Arabian!

http://realiran.org/national-geographic-iranian-natives-genetic-makeup-is-56-percent-arabian/

 

[padamchen]

Let them! Genes always have tug on you.

I'm.big into blood, so I concur.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Indus Pakistan]

A Afghan [Tajik] in UK who got asylum told me that he knew a passport official in Kabul who would reject passports to people he called "Panjabi'. How so? He would speak in Dari but throw in some Urdu question. Because many Afghans have spent time in Pakistan they might say out of defferance 'jee'. That was enough to be rejected as 'Panjabi'. So that is how the world is. Just because some say, let them say.

I'm.big into blood, so I concur.

Yeh, as Parsee you should know. You guys risk self extermination but won't mix. Blood and all that ...

I have pathans punjabis and bangalis in my family.

What are you? A United Nations family. Cool ....

 

[Trango Towers]

A Afghan [Tajik] in UK who got asylum told me that he knew a passport official in Kabul who would reject passports to people he called "Panjabi'. How so? He would speak in Dari but throw in some Urdu question. Because many Afghans have spent time in Pakistan they might say out of defferance 'jee'. That was enough to be rejected as 'Panjabi'. So that is how the world is. Just because some say, let them say.

Yeh, as Parsee you should know. You guys risk self extermination but won't mix. Blood and all that ...

What are you? A United Nations family. Cool ....

Bro...i dont care who anyone is as long as they are nice

 

[Saif al-Arab]

A Afghan [Tajik] in UK who got asylum told me that he knew a passport official in Kabul who would reject passports to people he called "Panjabi'. How so? He would speak in Dari but throw in some Urdu question. Because many Afghans have spent time in Pakistan they might say out of defferance 'jee'. That was enough to be rejected as 'Panjabi'. So that is how the world is. Just because some say, let them say.

Yeh, as Parsee you should know. You guys risk self extermination but won't mix. Blood and all that ...

I mean, I never understood this Tajik-Pashtun conflict that predates the USSR-US proxy war? Both populations inhabit a similar geography (by large), both are majority Sunni Muslim (so no sectarian differences here), the languages are quite similar although I understand that Dari speakers and Pashtun speakers cannot communicate (I believe that Arabic and Hebrew is closer) with each other but cultural practices must be somewhat close. Similarly with the cuisine.

I mean, the hatred is real with you guys from what I have witnessed.

So what is it about other than fighting for the "alpha" title and resources?

I always wondered why those two never joined hands against the Uzbeks, Turkmens and Hazaras in Afghanistan if anything as those are much different people and from what I am ware the actual Turkic people (not talking about the Turks as in Turkey, not much Turkic about them genetically as proven ages ago) did a lot of genocide/harm in Central Asia and Afghanistan. Mongols too btw but Hazara are supposedly ethnic Mongols rather than Turkic people.

Bro...i dont care who anyone is as long as they are nice

I have a question. Don't you think that if all the 1 million (or how many Indian soldiers are present in Kashmir, after all there are 1.4 billion of them overall!) Indian soldiers in Kashmir were native Kashmiri Muslims they would be interacting differently with the locals?

And contrary to popular belief the Israeli Mizrahi (mostly Arab Jews but not only) are by default an easy target group and thus want to prove themselves as "harsh and loyal IDF soldiers" hence, at least when in uniform, Palestinians tend to look more favorably at the Polish Jew in uniform. There is no "traitor element" either.

I believe I learned that after watching this Youtube channel.

 

[padamchen]

A Afghan [Tajik] in UK who got asylum told me that he knew a passport official in Kabul who would reject passports to people he called "Panjabi'. How so? He would speak in Dari but throw in some Urdu question. Because many Afghans have spent time in Pakistan they might say out of defferance 'jee'. That was enough to be rejected as 'Panjabi'. So that is how the world is. Just because some say, let them say.

Yeh, as Parsee you should know. You guys risk self extermination but won't mix. Blood and all that ...

It's not really "self" limiting nor close to "extermination" when we see ourselves as the keepers of the Atash Padshah and the ancient heritage. To be passed back to the ancestral populace and land of our forefathers.

It's started with the Kurds. Iran has been on the brink for some time now.

Will the critical mass needed for the cascade come in my lifetime? I don't know. I would like to think so.

But the point remains. The destiny of the Parsis is to pass the flame back. And hopefully re-merge. If we are still around as a distinct community, rather that scattered diaspora around the western world.

Just my thoughts. I realize it would be less than popular on a board of devout Muslims, and not a few Arabs.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Bro...i dont care who anyone is as long as they are nice

So would you make friends with a nice Israeli male or jump a nice Israeli female?

So what is it about other than fighting for the "alpha" title and resources?

It's all about being number one. I mean the Germans and British despite sharing so much including their royal familes killed each other in millions ..

 

[Saif al-Arab]

So would you make friends with a nice Israeli male or jump a nice Israeli female?

It's all about being number one. I mean the Germans and British despite sharing so much including their royal familes killed each other in millions ..

BTW, you know what I noticed. The actual Tajiks in Tajikistan tend to have heavy Mongol/Turkic admixture and also some recent Russian input. The Tajiks of Afghanistan look quite Caucasian on the other hand not much different from most Arabs, Iranians, Pashtuns, Turks etc.

That is truth. That is why I wrote that the Semitic (could even be Afro-Asiatic to make it more absurd), Slavic, Iranic, Indo-Aryan and whatever "brotherhood" is just empty air and luckily modern-day science and history has often put such absurdities to bed. I always like to mention the Turkey example. Take some ordinary Turk in Hatay. He has 100 times more in common with the Arab across the border in Syria than he has with a Kyrgyz Turk 5000 km away. Linguistics (they won't be able to fully communicate either) is just a small part of it.

Otherwise English speaking Jamaicans or "Indo-Euroepan" speaking Sri Lankans have more in common with Indo-European speaking Icelandic people (despite sharing maybe 1 word in common or 2 if I stretch it, the commonality is like that of Arabic and some Papuan language) than their African cuisines in Western Africa (say Nigeria or Ghana in the case of Jamaicans) or Southern Indians (Dravidians) next too Sri Lanka.

Take some Jew named Benjamin Cohen from Poland. Sure he might have some "Western Asia facial features" (whatever that is as it is no science) but most likely his actual DNA that originates in Western Asia (forgetting that most Europeans descend from Neolithic farmers from Levant, Northern Arabia, Anatolia etc. mostly starting some 8.000 years ago) (recent DNA that is) is negligible at best.

So what has some Palestinian family in Jaffa (Tel Aviv nowadays) to do with such a person? That person, if he spoke some form of Hebrew, spoke the bastardized Yiddish, before the Arab Jews and certain Ashkenazi linguists reviled Hebrew language.

Certain Ashkenazi Jews still have problems with certain pronunciations that for Arabs and Mizrahi Jews come natural.

Not much "brotherhood" there. Just like there is not much "brotherhood" in various Arab states where various regional peoples/sects/tribes/clans/political ideologies are fighting it out.

Historically and genetically we are all one people (simplistic view but nevertheless the scientific viewpoint). We share the shame DNA of which we also share 99,8 % (or was it 99,7 %, can't recall) with chimpanzees but that has not stopped people from murdering each other since we appeared with whatever tools we have at our disposal. Originally it were stones and nowadays it is (worst case scenario) nukes, chemicals and bombs.

Strange world, really.

 

[Trango Towers]

So would you make friends with a nice Israeli male or jump a nice Israeli female?

It's all about being number one. I mean the Germans and British despite sharing so much including their royal familes killed each other in millions ..

You joined this debate late. Scroll up and see what i specifically wrote about indians and israelis...and jew servingin the military or any israeli is not a peace lover. They are occupiers and oppressors

 

[Indus Pakistan]

BTW, you know what I noticed. The actual Tajiks in Tajikistan tend to have heavy Mongol/Turkic admixture and also some recent Russian input. The Tajiks of Afghanistan look quite Caucasian on the other hand not much different from most Arabs, Iranians, Pashtuns, Turks etc.

That is truth. That is why I wrote that the Semitic (could even be Afro-Asiatic to make it more absurd), Slavic, Iranic, Indo-Aryan and whatever "brotherhood" is just empty air and luckily modern-day science and history has often put such absurdities to bed. I always like to mention the Turkey example. Take some ordinary Turk in Hatay. He has 100 times more in common with the Arab across the border in Syria than he has with a Kyrgyz Turk 5000 km away. Linguistics (they won't be able to fully communicate either) is just a small part of it.

Otherwise English speaking Jamaicans or "Indo-Euroepan" speaking Sri Lankans have more in common with Indo-European speaking Icelandic people (despite sharing maybe 1 word in common or 2 if I stretch it, the commonality is like that of Arabic and some Papuan language) than their African cuisines in Western Africa (say Nigeria or Ghana in the case of Jamaicans) or Southern Indians (Dravidians) next too Sri Lanka.

Take some Jew named Benjamin Cohen from Poland. Sure he might have some "Western Asia facial features" (whatever that is as it is no science) but most likely his actual DNA that originates in Western Asia (forgetting that most Europeans descend from Neolithic farmers from Levant, Northern Arabia, Anatolia etc. mostly starting some 8.000 years ago) (recent DNA that is) is negligible at best.

So what has some Palestinian family in Jaffa (Tel Aviv nowadays) to do with such a person? That person, if he spoke some form of Hebrew, spoke the bastardized Yiddish, before the Arab Jews and certain Ashkenazi linguists reviled Hebrew language.

Certain Ashkenazi Jews still have problems with certain pronunciations that for Arabs and Mizrahi Jews come natural.

Not much "brotherhood" there. Just like there is not much "brotherhood" in various Arab states where various regional peoples/sects/tribes/clans/political ideologies are fighting it out.

Historically and genetically we are all one people (simplistic view but nevertheless the scientific viewpoint). We share the shame DNA of which we also share 99,8 % (or was it 99,7 %, can't recall) with chimpanzees but that has not stopped people from murdering each other since we appeared with whatever tools we have at our disposal. Originally it were stones and nowadays it is (worst case scenario) nukes, chemicals and bombs.

Strange world, really.

Great post. Such is the way of humans ....

 

[500]

Probably a druze

They were crying about Israel being a apartheid state a few weeks ago

Remember there were jews amongst the nazi's too
There were juden who let their fellow juden into the gas chamber's


Why cant there be similar trash like the druze

No, he is a Sunni Muslim.

 

[Mamluk]

How about a Muslim soldier in the Indian Army fighting the insurgency in Kashmir?

A brave Muslim?

A good Muslim?

A Muslim .... ?

Cheers, Doc

To the Kashmiri he's traitor, to Indians he's a good citizen.

Like during British Raj time.. a native soldier killing other Indian rebels was seen as good citizen by colonial rulers. To your forefathers they were traitor.

 

[padamchen]

To the Kashmiri he's traitor, to Indians he's a good citizen.

Like during British Raj time.. a native soldier killing other Indian rebels was seen as good citizen by colonial rulers. To your forefathers they were traitor.

Thanks.

So Islam allows for this dualism?

I used to think your faith was pretty regimented. Black or white.

Cheers, Doc

 

[The SC]

I remember General and then prime minister Barak was the IDF's most decorated soldier.. but then he was a general from the elite special forces of the General Headquarters..we can talk about this Muslim soldier when he becomes a general in IDF..that might be considered some achievement.. till then promoting a major for propaganda purposes does not work...

 

[Falcon29]

What's the point of mentioning his religious background? This is not a religious conflict.