Maharaja Ranjit Singh, the conqueror of Afghanistan

[Irfan Baloch]

This is funny sikhs who have ni nation, no goverment, no army, navy or air force who had there gurus heads cut off without a whimper

Whose sum total of historical achivement is a 50 year periid if limited rule are comparing that to hundreads of years of muslim dominion

well they seem to have chosen to be that way. they have the right to be proud I guess
in recent times some of them did fight for independence but Indra Gandhi and her Son crushed the rebellion.

Kurds also have the similar history, they are the biggest stateless ethnic group in the world but have seen some glory when Salahudin was the ruler.

 

[Armstrong]

well they seem to have chosen to be that way. they have the right to be proud I guess
in recent times some of them did fight for independence but Indra Gandhi and her Son crushed the rebellion.

Kurds also have the similar history, they are the biggest stateless ethnic group in the world but have seen some glory when Salahudin was the ruler.

Irfan bhai,to the best of my knowledge, Saladin's Empire, his reign or his person never had a tinge of 'ethno-linguistic nationalism' to it ! It was purely ideology and opportunism mixed together i.e 'we're Muslims' and 'I've got the throne' !

 

[jatt+gutts]

this way all balochis should be independent, all kashmirs should be independent, all pathans should have pathanistan, all punjabis merge with sikhs, and all sindhis shouild have sinduistan. we are happy living in united india. divided we fall united we are strong

regarding army sikhs are about 12% in army and our current cheif of army staff is sikh.

 

[Sam_Bajwa]

Some clowns are having hard time sticking to the topic. I think their ego has been hurt by stubling upon this thread. Now blaberring whatever to satisfy their hurt feelings is the best way to relieve some steam.

not their mistake brother its natural after all Sikh's are the biggest hurdle they have in their way to destroy mother Indian and Sikh's are always ahead in spoiling their plans and they can do nothing about it and all this lead's to frustration human nature you see.

 

[hussain0216]

Sikhs are cannon fodder, you will be first in line when the missiles will go, the indian army will be in the punjab and thats what our missiles will hit

 

[Cr.7]

Sikhs are cannon fodder, you will be first in line when the missiles will go, the indian army will be in the punjab and thats what our missiles will hit

You're a pure idiot,
If these nuclear missiles hurt indian punjab, that will also destroy a part of pakistani punjab

 

[Maler]

this is a good belief joe but please don't tell me that they "LEFT" power! & they were peace loving sect! till today the Sikhs have their daggers i am sure it is not a symbol for being farmers now is it?

& sikh kingdom was truly only 50 years and no more. not much they could have achieved in such a short time. i would go as far as calling them opportunists & usurpers! reason being they only rebelled when they saw a decline in the rulers of the time & not before.

However, it is true harsh treatment was metted out from both sides to each other.

Sikh fighting culture actully started after 1699 with birth of Khalsa by Guru Gobind Singh Ji and with in 10-15 years (1710 onwards), Sikhs starts ruling parts of Punjab under command of Baba Banda Singh Bahadar and after under command of Tarna Dal, Buddha Dal and later under different misils. During rule of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, Sikhs were only 9% of the total population of Punjab and before that you can assume the percentage of sikh community as compare to total populas of Punjab. That time the area of Punjab ruled by sikhs comprised of 55-60% muslims and 30-35% hindus. Also, surrounding areas of Punjab (which were brought to their knees by Sikh Armies) consists 80-100% muslim population (Kabayali Areas, Kashmir and afgan areas).

Sikhs never accepted mughal rule and were defing from the very begining of mughal rule (Guru Nanak Dev Ji defied Babur).

 

[IBRIS]

Sikhs are cannon fodder, you will be first in line when the missiles will go, the indian army will be in the punjab and thats what our missiles will hit

 

[Maler]

Sikhs are cannon fodder, you will be first in line when the missiles will go, the indian army will be in the punjab and thats what our missiles will hit

Sikhs were, are and will always remain first line of defense of India and we are proud of it. When ever any attack initiated from west side of India, will meet the Sikhs at the border before going to meet their 72...... About the Sikhs will being cannon fodder, only the time will tell, who will be the cannon fodder.

Its your cowardice and internal fear that you can't discuss anything without involving nukes. Keep one thing in mind, no first use of nuke policy of India is of peace time and when their is situation that can cost millions of Indian lifes, we will strike first and hard with every means at our disposal and going nuke is not an exception. You can consider no first use policy as a deception for enemies.

 

[MadDog]

@ Maler ....Yeah Sikhs are and will always be the protectors of India since Indian Army destroyed and desecrated the Holy Sikh Shrines of Golden Temple.... dude please get some self respect....trust me if a country would have done this to our Holy sites..that country would not have existed by now.....how long will you remain in denial ???

 

[Joe Shearer]

@ Maler ....Yeah Sikhs are and will always be the protectors of India since Indian Army destroyed and desecrated the Holy Sikh Shrines of Golden Temple.... dude please get some self respect....trust me if a country would have done this to our Holy sites..that country would not have existed by now.....how long will you remain in denial ???

It was Sikh soldiers, among others, led by a Sikh general, who cleared the Golden Temple from armed men who had desecrated it.

An analogy is the attack on al-Masjid al-Haram on November 20, 1979, when the attackers had to be cleared by the use of military force. There was a difference. Foreign troops were used, when Saudi troops failed to flush out the armed men. Just as in the case of the Golden Temple, the armed men were religious dissidents. Just as in the case of the Golden Temple, hundreds of unarmed pilgrims were under threat.

There are other examples closer to home. The Lal Masjid may or may not mean anything to you.

Cheap remarks seeking to alienate a section of Indians by highlighting isolated incidents from recent history are really worthless, and no sensible person will respond to them with anything but contempt for the shallow thinking that breeds such provocations.

Try to think about Maharaja Ranjit Singh, please, if thinking does not give you a headache.

 

[ice_man]

It was Sikh soldiers, among others, led by a Sikh general, who cleared the Golden Temple from armed men who had desecrated it.

An analogy is the attack on al-Masjid al-Haram on November 20, 1979, when the attackers had to be cleared by the use of military force. There was a difference. Foreign troops were used, when Saudi troops failed to flush out the armed men. Just as in the case of the Golden Temple, the armed men were religious dissidents. Just as in the case of the Golden Temple, hundreds of unarmed pilgrims were under threat.

There are other examples closer to home. The Lal Masjid may or may not mean anything to you.

Cheap remarks seeking to alienate a section of Indians by highlighting isolated incidents from recent history are really worthless, and no sensible person will respond to them with anything but contempt for the shallow thinking that breeds such provocations.

Try to think about Maharaja Ranjit Singh, please, if thinking does not give you a headache.

which Sikh soldier led it? just asking not trying to flame. and let us not forget more than 5000 sikhs that were killed by anti sikh riots after indra gandhi's assasination.

as for unarmed civilans under threat Please don't give such lame logic to a sikh because clearly in sikhism keeping weapons in gurudwaras is not suspoed to be ILLEGAL! the operation itself killed 500+ civilians!


alot of sikhs were forced to cut their hair & hide due to killing of sikhs.


now discussing Ranit Singh might have been a good leader but had no long lasting affect on south asia & its culture. maybe due to the british invasion or due to the short period of ranjit's rule.

 

[Joe Shearer]

which Sikh soldier led it? just asking not trying to flame.

Major General Kuldip Singh Brar.

and let us not forget more than 5000 sikhs that were killed by anti sikh riots after indra gandhi's assasination.

And you also do remember that there as many dedicated people following up on these to bring the criminals behind it to justice.

I forgot - you are not trolling.

as for unarmed civilans under threat Please don't give such lame logic to a sikh because clearly in sikhism keeping weapons in gurudwaras is not suspoed to be ILLEGAL!

Keeping weapons in Gurdwaras nowhere includes sandbagged machine-gun nests.

Your strenuous efforts not to troll may give you a hernia. Please go easy on yourself.

the operation itself killed 500+ civilians!

This was a great tragedy, but only to be expected when such large numbers of innocents were held hostage by a large group of armed fanatics.

By the way, since you are an obvious expert on the subject, did you happen to recall how many civilians died in the recovery of the Grand Mosque? And who were called in to crush the remaining Muslim fanatics?

alot of sikhs were forced to cut their hair & hide due to killing of sikhs.

Nobody justifies the riots. But you should know how many Sikhs cut their hair on their own. Again, your great effort not to troll is obviously taking its toll. Give it a break.

now discussing Ranit Singh might have been a good leader but had no long lasting affect on south asia & its culture. maybe due to the british invasion or due to the short period of ranjit's rule.

Ranjit Singh????

Where did he bob up in this fascinating and vastly troll-free discussion on how those brutal Brahmins oppress Sikhs - not to mention Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Jains, Parsis, Jews, Baha'is and Pastafarians?

Why are you distracting all of us? Nothing better to do?

 

[Cr.7]

And this is the thread title.

Maharaja Ranjit Singh, the conqueror of Afghanistan

While in yr Map you draw the line till Durand line lol

Well , hindustan was like that and all the territories west of indus were iranic

 

[MadDog]

@ Joe Shearer In 1979 incident SSG of Pakistan ( a muslim country...even if its foreign..doesnt matter) were used along with a few officers of France...but the boots on ground were Saudis and SSG.

And there is a difference...in the golden temple incident...those who were fighting Indian army wanted an independent country for Sikhs....to get freedom..while those rebels fighting in Saudi Arabia wanted personal demands to be fulfilled...there is a huge difference.